[snakeoil]

https://www.statnews.com/2016/03/18/med ... hool-daca/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Illegal Immigrants in US medical schools?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how ... treatment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Illegal immigrants can get Medicaid?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ely-inves/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Illegal immigrants who overstay visas rarely investigated.

http://reason.com/archives/2012/02/14/a ... -immigrant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ayn Rand was an illegal immigrant.

[tvd]

See here's the problem.....Ayn Rand was not a convicted felon. Was she?

Trump is going after the CRIMINALS that have established USA as their home illegally.

Murderers, rapists, assholes that have re-entered this country after being deported, CRIMINALS.

[Clownkicker]

"See here's the problem.....Ayn Rand was not a convicted felon. Was she?"-tvd

It's good to see tvd coming around to support for Obama's rational immigration policies; record deportations of criminals, a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants not convicted of a felony, like Rand.

[johnforbes]

But that's a dishonest way to talk about immigration -- talking about the rate or trend, and ignoring the reality.

It is fine that Obama deported some, but 11 or 12 million illegals remained.

So many illegals that they actually began to be arrogant about their illegal status, and demand "rights."

In CA and NM et al., illegals got licenses to drive, and almost 2 million of them registered to vote.

The phrase "path to citizenship" is also dishonest because following the law already provides such a path.

[Clownkicker]

"The phrase "path to citizenship" is also dishonest because following the law already provides such a path."-johnfibs

But that's a dishonest way to talk about immigration -- talking about the theoretical path to citizenship and ignoring the reality.
If all the millions of illegal Mexican immigrants returned to their country and signed up for entry to the U.S., the bulk of them would be dead before they would ever be allowed to return.

"Why Don’t They Just Get In Line?

Many Americans wonder why all immigrants do not just come to the United States legally or simply “get in line” if they are unauthorized. These suggestions miss the point: There is no line available for unauthorized immigrants and the “regular channels” do not include them.
No “line” is available for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants.

Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status."

"If a person who wishes to immigrate to the United States does not qualify under the family, employment, or humanitarian systems, there may be one more legal path. The annual Diversity Visa program makes 55,000 green cards available to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States. People from Mexico, China, the Philippines, India, and other countries with higher levels of immigration to the United States are not eligible."

Currently there are about 130,000 Mexicans allowed to legally immigrate into the U.S. per year. There are 1.4 million already waiting who qualify for family reunification. That's 10 years worth right there.
Even if all those already here were allowed to reenter, it would take over 80 years before they could return.
Thus it would take over 90 years to allow all the illegal immigrants to return even if you said you would allow it, which you won't.

So as we can see, johnforbes is either grossly ignorant or simply lying when he says there is currently a "path to citizenship" available to the bulk of illegals currently in the U.S..
Deporting them and waiting for them to die is not a realistic "path to citizenship" for anyone.

[Intrepid]

The AssClown follows his master's orders and continuous to obfuscate the true reason for the libtards defense of illegal immigration:
To flood the country with unskilled peasants, put them on the public dole and register them as DonkeyRat voters.

[Clownkicker]

Well, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid's got nothin'.

Next....johnny?...

[Intrepid]

As usual, the AssClown looser Marxist Tool cannot factually rebut any part of my assertion.
Therefore my assertion stands as fact.
Case closed.

[Clownkicker]

As usual, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid cannot factually rebut any part of my assertion.
Therefore, he tries to distract with irrelevancies and my assertion stands as fact.
Case closed.

Fucking Loser Boy Insipid....making an AssClown of himself and dancing on command, as always. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

When people say that the process of legal immigration is too long and needs to be made more efficient, I agree.

It is also true that obeying the law is often less convenient than obeying it, but that's no excuse.

I save and invest rather than robbing banks. That's called obeying the law.

[Clownkicker]

"When people say that the process of legal immigration is too long and needs to be made more efficient, I agree."-johnforbes

What johnny is desperately trying not to say is that he was wrong when he said the law already provides such a "path to citizenship" for the illegals.

Yes, johnny admits 90 years of waiting is not a seriously realistic "path to citizenship" and that most of the present illegals don't qualify for the categories that exist for immigration, but will that stop him from repeating his foolishness next time this comes up?

No.
And the proof of that is I told him all this already the last time and he still repeated his foolishness this time, even when he knows he's wrong.

[johnforbes]

Of course, it does provide a path.

It isn't brief, or convenient, but it was set up to reflect the value of American citizenship.

The Left claims that, if you hail from Mexico or El Salvador, you can ignore the law, cut the line, and still be given legal status by dint of special moral entitlement.

Should the process of legal immigration be made quicker?

Yes, but there are many things in life which take more time to do the proper, legal way.

[Clownkicker]

"What johnny is desperately trying not to say is that he was wrong when he said the law already provides such a "path to citizenship" for the illegals."-me

"Of course, it does provide a path."-johnfibs

The facts intelligent people can't ignore (which apparently rules out conservatives):
"Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is generally limited to three different routes: employment, family reunification, or humanitarian protection. While the U.S. immigration system is generous, each of these possibilities is highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility requirements. Most unauthorized immigrants do not have the necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status."

"If a person who wishes to immigrate to the United States does not qualify under the family, employment, or humanitarian systems, there may be one more legal path. The annual Diversity Visa program makes 55,000 green cards available to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States. People from Mexico,... are not eligible."

johnny's idea of "rebuttal" is not to produce even a shred of evidence to support his erroneous belief, but instead can only repeat a falsehood.
Many people simply are not eligible to immigrate under current law, so repeatedly saying they are is a just a conservative lie.

[johnforbes]

Oh, be serious.

We all know Ted Kennedy's 1965 immigration change switched the emphasis away from the European immigration which helped America prosper.

Ted wanted to live in his own gated and guarded compound, but bring in less successful people from less successful nations.

Today, we have 11 or 12 million illegals and a huge quantity of them are from Mexico.

You can visit many parts of Texas, California, Florida, etc and never hear a word spoken in English.

Now, if a person really did like Spanish-speaking lands, as I do, they would encourage people -- all people -- to enter America LEGALLY and be eager to assimilate.

America used to be a melting pot, but is now a mere salad bowl because of the wrong emphasis on "diversity" which needlessly divides people.

[Clownkicker]

Once again, what johnny is desperately trying not to say is that he was wrong when he said the law already provides such a "path to citizenship" for the illegals.

He has nothing but diversions, like the rest of the Right.

[Intrepid]

The true diversion is the one promoted by the lefty libtards.
They won't admit their true agenda is to flood the country with illiterate, unskilled peasants they can put on the public dole and turn into DonkeyRat voters.

The DonkeyRat party depends on a huge amount of lockstep Idiots who question nothing and do as they are told by their masters.
Just like AssClown Loser Marxist Tool follows the orders given to him by the commissars in the people's glorious revolutionary politboro.

[johnforbes]

The law does indeed provide a path to citizenship for illegals.

But, just as the most efficacious path to affluence is the boring path of saving and investing, most people don't want to take the path.

So illegals, being selfish and lazy, sneak into America and break the law.

[elklindo69]

There a lot of lazy and selfish people in this country, Johnnie will conveniently forget how the red states are subsidized by the blue states...

[johnforbes]

When Tim Russert started that "red" and "blue" state thing, it was moronic. And I liked Tim otherwise.

If you go to a Dem-dominated state, such as MD for example, there are plenty of Repubs there.

Saying a "blue" state subsidizes a "red" one, that just isn't very smart conversation, but then Elkin isn't very smart.