[DaisyChains]

Just a quicky as it getting towards the end of the month again..hopefully now I'm quite far down the list again folks might see I'm not just moaning as I am a sore loser. I'd just like to feel as a contributor that everyone has a fair chance! The past few days I have watched all the girls in the top positions lose a bit off their scores per day, only 0.01 at a time but still odd, since they should have enough votes to make them pretty stable..then of course the last minute entries appear and their scores are instantly higher..with only a couple of days to go they wont have time to stabilize, and the usual thing will happen where the contris that have been up will be pushed down the list. As I say, I dont stand to lose a lot, but the higher entries will. I just really feel there should be at least a week before the end of the month cut off date to allow votes to stabilize, and any entries after that should be put in the next month's contest (i.e the last date would be say, the 25th of each month, and new entries could be voted on but the scores wouldnt be published until that months contest was over) Surely this would be the fairest way to do it rather than geeky 'algorythms' playing around with everyones scores to achieve some kind of artificial 'fairness'..I dunno..what do people think??

[rockclimber]

What I said above Daisy,

I think the last minute crowd should be held until the next month for voting, call it a holdover. People still vote but they are not in the current month's running.

I would just do it if I were the one to decide. I suspect they will all start posing early enough to avoid the hold over, the beauty of it is they won't know the real cut off and will have to post early enough to avoid it.

Did you ever get a satisfactory answer as to what happened?

PS would love to see a pic without the dreads, got any perchance?

[CLOUZEAU]

A full week has passed and you still are processing the results!

You can't be serious!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[VWSupport]

Clouzeau,

I certainly am still processing the results.

I make sure many different factors are handled before the final results are displayed. My apologies if you dislike this, but it's for the protection of our contributors that I do so.

I take scoring very seriously and do my best to try and make this a fair place for them to post.

[Yana]

I'm sure Kiki does all the best that can be done for the site!!! There is a question: why are not available the list of winners for the past year? We can see only the last month or those who won before April 2012. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Clouzeau
I take scoring very seriously and do my best to try and make this a fair place for them to post.

[Yumi]

Wow !
I'm new here and when I read this post, I hope there is no problem with the REAL scores... It would be so disappointing !
Luv fair things as everyon I suppose.
And I'm so excited to see august results for my first contris !

PS : So many and incredible comments on it ! Wanna thank every person for them kind words...

[DangerousDi]

YUMI: There is probably a post under the section you did your contri. Like private or whatever. Check those boards out.

[contributor]

We have again a strange phenomenon in WIS section this month.A post which is on top of this section now was published on Aug 13th and had an initial score of 4,60.A week later on Aug 20th this post had almost 1mln views and the score of 4.63.Ok,at this point we should expect that things with the score would calm down and it would be hard to expect any big fluctuations.Here comes the interesting part-starting from Aug 20th (a week after it was published) the score started to climb as a rocket.This post started to gain more than 0,01 per day and as a result the score jumped for the last 10 days from 4,63 to 4,75.You should take into consideration that the mentioned post is in the 4,60-4,70 range where it is very hard to add 0,02-0,03 after a week online.What happened is against any mathematical and statistical logic because the first week after it is published the post generates more than 90% of the votes.Kiki,I would appreciate any reasonable explanation how such big fluctuation with the score is possible.

[njaya]

I have always been irked by the fact that a contri can be in the lead for weeks, and on the last day or 2 of the month get bumped down a few positions by a last minute contri. This is not a new phenomena and has been going on for as long as I have followed this site. The current (and past) system of voting creates 2 phenomena; 1) contris posted at the end of the month have a better chance of winning and; 2) a lot of posters realize this so the contris submitted early in the month are of lower quality.

I like having registration to vote or comment and think that things are probably better today than in the past. But the fact that a new contri's score is based on only 1 or 2 days of voting gives it a much better chance of winning versus one which has 30 days worth of results because the "interested party" vote holds so much more weight.

My proposed solution to the problem is to require all contris to be on the board for 10 days before allowing its score to be used for the month's ranking. At the end of 10 days lock the ranking so all contri scores reflect 10 days of voting. Under this system on September 21 a note would appear on the board that all contris submitted for the remainder of September will be judged for prizes in the October contest.

Alternatively judging for the September contest could be suspended until October 10, so contris submitted on September 30 would have 10 days of voting reflected in their ranking.

Although slightly off topic I also think that the prize money of $2,950 should be distributed amongst the top 10 or 15 contris rather than the top 6. I think the prize $$'s should be something like 1st $500, 2nd $400, 3rd $350, 4th $300, 5th $250, 6th $200, 7th $150, 8th - 15th $100. The result would be;

- More participation because of a better chance of winning.
- Less incentive to cheat because less of a windfall for winning a top prize or getting bumped up 1 peg in the rankings.
- More participation by US residents because of simplified tax accounting, no need to report taxes on (single) prizes under $600.
- Better ratio of amateurs vs "East European" semi pros because the ability to make a living submitting contris goes down for the semi-pros, and the fun factor goes up for the amateurs who all of a sudden have a chance to win some prize money.

[contributor]

Kiki,I sent you a mail regarding this issue but here is in brief the situation.For a second month in a row the leading post in WIS succeeds to gain 0,11 or more to its score in a matter of 10 days.Actually it is the only post across all sections that made such a huge jump.I would appreciate any reasonable explanation why the fluctuation of the score of this post differs from the pattern

[VWSupport]

Njaya, I completely agree with you, and have made several changes in the past few months to make the contest fair to everyone no matter when they are posting. I also floated the idea of putting off the contest into the next month so all have a required voting time, but that was not welcomed with great enthusiasm. However, I do believe I have been able to mitigate this issue with the fixes and changes we have made to the voting system and have so far gotten great feedback about it, please let me know what you think too. Feel free to email or PM me at any time!

We will be changing the voting structure in the future to include more winners, as many contributors are in agreement with you on this - as am I. I think more winners will lead to more participation and more fun for everyone involved!

Contributor, I emailed you back regarding this, but to sum it up quick for any others who are interested, I do watch voting trends and will keep a close eye on this contest to ensure that it is fair for all contributors who enter.

[chrisko]

My post was published 2 days ago and from a potential 4,65-4,70 score it dropped to 4,52-4,53 due to a multiple poor votes.I would like you to compare the total number of poor votes I got for the last two days with the average number of poor votes a premium post generates.You can also compare the ratio poor votes/total number of votes for my post with the same ratio for other posts.If the number of poor votes for my post is much bigger than usual then most of those votes are intentional.I would like to ask:can you confirm that my post received much more poor votes than usual?Can you find a solution to guarantee a fair competition?A possible option could be to ignore all poor votes which are above the usual number.

[contributor]

njaya ,the score each contri achieves is determined by its quality not by the time of the month it is published.Excellent posts published earlier will get an excellent score,poor posts published "late minute" will achieve poor score.I was always wondering why people who complain from late entries do not post the last week themselves.Regarding the "East European semi pros"-you can take a look at Last month Global Ranks.There are just 2(possibly)East European contributors among the top 10.There was not a single east European contributor who won a section last month(apart from WIS,it is difficult to figure out who is who there)
.There is only one East European contributor now posting for 2 or more years against at least 3 West European contributors.This claim is completely wrong

[Thinker]

With all of the complaints about voting, I decided to do some of my own research. I checked out the She Loves Summer photoshoot in the August What I Saw section. I got screenshots of the views on this. Remember, this photoshoot was submitted on the 13th and the screenshots were on the 30th, 31st, and Sept. 1st. I noticed that there were 21 views for this photoshoot in the minute before 4PM on the 31st and 24 views in the minute after 4PM.

Now this is 18 DAYS after the submission. There were over 5,000 more views in the next 4 hours. Seriously, does anyone think there are this many people just visiting the site normally and finding this submission to view it? I rational explanation of this is a computer program registering to create a user and having the user vote. This can be confirmed by looking at the registrations created at this time.

This investigation is not hard. Mid-level programmers can figure this out quickly. Preventing this from happening is harder. Discovering it is not so hard.

[contributor]

Thinker, WIS section is a complete mess at the moment due to contributor(s) who can manipulate the score.I sent an alert last month regarding the post you mentioned and nothing was done to ignore those intentional votes.We can see the same pattern from the same contributor this month.An early post which succeeded to to gain 0,13 for the last two weeks while an average posts gains no more than 0,02-0,03.From Sept 18th(14 days after being published) till Sept 20 th this post gained another 0,02??It is a half of the problem because this contributor(s) not only pumps up his score ,he also sends multiple poor votes for other posts which could achieve a high score.This became possible due to a reduced number of people who vote.I suggested few times to allow non registered users to vote again and restrict proxy locations.This will reduce the weight of those intentional votes.I suggested also to ignore all poor votes which are above the average.I suggested to restrict voting from few locations those intentional votes are most likely to come from.

[Riesen]

Not sure if you're all aware, but Kiki no longer works with Voyeur web. From what I've seen on the bb's, it appears that she left because she no longer agreed with decisions being made by the management of the site. Go here: http://exbb.redclouds.com/showthread.ph ... ONE-Bummer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"administrator diego" posted in the bb's that the new changes to Voyeur web were going to be fantastic. Didn't we hear that over a year ago? How this site was going to be "out of this world" lol

"administrator diego" : "I know you have been waiting for a while, our Techs. have been working day & night to make all the members' experience easier, more fun & exciting. The final product will be worth the patience. Thank you for your support & patience."
Sound familiar? Didn't we hear the same in 2012? Has anything been changed or improved since then?

Over one year to finish a site? Do they think we're stupid? I'm not sure what's going on, but something is. They're either incompetent, stupid, or both.
He says "waiting a while" but a year and a half is not awhile. It's hilarious, the Last Month's Winner's page still goes to April of 2012. It's September of 2013! It's not exactly rocket science to create that page, anyone with a hint of programming experience knows that. Hall of Fame still doesn't work either. I'm not a fan of what Igor did to this site, but if you go there you can see that his technical skill exceeds anything the current "administrator" could put out.

The owner of this site has to be a moron to let someone like Kiki go.

According to those on the bb's they were "looking for a replacement." Kiki was the only advocate after "Kate" that actually gave a shit about any of us. And the contributors? After she came on board every single one of you got checks and back payments that you didn't get for months, plus real communication and the rest of us got actual answers and customer service. Kiki even handled the voting shit pretty well, which I didn't think possible. Obviously something is up. She was ridiculously professional to the point of being too nice at times. Whatever made her leave so suddenly means something is sour at voyeur web.

Without Kiki, I think Voyeur web just lost the last thing they had that could have kept this place together.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Kiki's decision to leave VW was her decision. She is now actively focusing her time in her and her husband Dice's businesses.

Did she have disagreements with management? Absolutely. Anyone that has not had disagreements with their boss is either a serious "yes man" or self employed.

As to what is taking so long and why so many things are still not fixed? Because it was fucked before Igor ever left. The Hall of Fame is a great example. It is not dynamic, each individual page is just that, an independent static page. So the entire thing has to either be redesigned to be dynamic and then everything reloaded, or each individual page has to be corrected. The entire site is like that. Honestly I knew how bad and cobbled together the RCBB was under Discus, but I had no idea just how bad the rest of the site was as far as technical design.

Is Kiki's loss tragic? Definitely. Kiki helped bring VW/RC back from the brink by providing a face and name that created trust. She provided updated feedback and worked directly with people. Kiki was a massive source of comfort for a lot of people as the community rebuilt itself and she was untiring in her support of getting things fixed. She will be sorely missed.

[Riesen]

DarknLadyJedi,

I like how they're telling you to spin this, but the facts are different. I'm not sure why someone that actively worked with Kiki (you are the moderator on the bb's right?) would side on behalf of those that fired her. You will tell me she wasn't, but it just seems like she resigned rather then letting them fire her. Your loyalty is always to Voyeurweb I guess? I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

The reason she left was because she disagreed with the way they were running the site. Hmmm? I wonder why. What are they doing that she disagreed with? Considering the professionalism she showed and the non-professionalism of everyone else on the staff, "administrator diego" lol I can only guess why. Also because of the above, they were actively looking for a replacement. She made us all trust Voyeurweb, sure, and once that was done they decided to kick her to the curb because she doesn't fit in or she was trying to fight for us?

The static vs dynamic content is a joke, btw. I've been in the tech field for quite a while. It doesn't take time to transfer static content into dynamic content, it requires writing a script one time that deciphers the url's and information, then places that within the dynamic database. I just looked at the url structure for the hall of fame and the winner's archive, the url's do not change and the information is always in the same place, including the jpegs. All I need to do is tell my script to grab the information from those static url's and print it into dynamic ones. This doesn't take a year. It doesn't take months. It takes a week to write the script and a few days to let it run and populate the new pages. Who is telling you this??? I would start verifying information.

[DarknLadyJedi]

"Who is telling you this??? I would start verifying information."


Actually it was Kiki who told me that.

[Thinker]

I am sure Kiki just relayed the "developer's" explanations. But it is true that it would only take a week to code and test to convert the static page to a dynamic page. The only reason it would take much longer is if the site was created in a very poor manner. That could make it so fragile that even a small change takes forever.

[njaya]

"contributor - njaya ,the score each contri achieves is determined by its quality not by the time of the month it is published.Excellent posts published earlier will get an excellent score,poor posts published "late minute" will achieve poor score."

The longer the contri is on the board, the longer the public has to vote on it. So any "Superb" votes made by the contributor on his home computer + phone + work computer + friends computer + public access computer + wife's phone +++ are more diluted by "real" votes. So while it is true that excellent posts published earlier will score higher than poor posts published last minute, above average post published last minute will score better than above average posts published early because the "interested party Superb votes" will count more. As you can see from Kiki's comment, she agreed with this and had something up her sleeve to try to mitigate the problem.

[contributor]

njaya,if we accept that each contributors sends a dozen superb votes for his post,then we have to accept that he sends a dozen poor votes for each post in the section he competes.This way the number of the intentional poor votes each post receives the first few days after being published is at least 5-6 times bigger than the number of the intentional superb votes.One poor vote weighs 7 times more than one superb vote-if my post receives 100 poor votes then I will need 700 superb votes to compensate the drop of the score.If a post is online longer the weigh of those poor votes reduces and the post starts to improve the score.The reality in the recent months proved that I am right.Each early post gained 0,08-0,018 to its score.The problem is that some ups of the scores are too big to be real.Kiki never said that "last minute" posts are in more favorable position to win.Talking about her I would like to express my gratitude for her friendly response and effort.She deserved a lot of credit for sorting things out with the old checks.The thing I am not pleased with is that she could not find a solution to restrict those multiple intentional poor votes my contris receive each month.

[DangerousDi]

Hasn't this been taken care of?

[Thinker]

Don't know. I did check at the end of August for 1 post. It had unusually number of views on the last days for a post that had been up for a couple of weeks. Did not check this again for September.

[BhangPao2]

It does seem that the scoring system is not improving. My score has had extreme drops over the last several days. As a longtime contributor, it's hard to see this happen. :cry:

Hey, Elise. Don't let this get you down or feel you aren't appreciated. Nothing could be farther than the truth. You're the hottest / most beautiful/ sexiest woman here or any other site.....or anywhere for that matter

I noticed you've only been posting in RC lately, for those of us that enjoy the most beautiful woman on this or any site, this is a disappointment. I know you posted w/ Trinity, a really beautiful gal in her own right.But for us Elise-lovers, we gotta have our monthly fix of the finest body on the planet....and that beautiful smile & (naughty) face

You're right, something is going on w/ the voting. It's an outrage. But don't let that keep you from posting in PS or FS.....We miss the hell out of you

[Administrator]

Hello VoyeurWebbers,

I wanted to post in defense of our development team just for clarification as I see we are being underestimated because of the development you guys are expecting that we have not yet completed.

Initially, last year when we brought the VoyeurWeb back online, if most of you remember, there were nothing but static pages. There was no engine controlling the way pages were displayed, no admin area, no upload system, none of the flash sections were online, no members area BB's and live chat sections, no pay pages, processor integration, no stats, no user account sections and no network hardware whatsoever. These are just off the top of my head. We took all this on blindly and rolled with the punches. Also take into consideration that the old developers were outdated and didn't develop anything new since 2009. Things were pretty much idle. This is where we come in and change things. You will see for yourselves soon enough.

We implemented a super fast solution for administration so we can accept new contributions and keep things going. In the meantime started to import 16 years of storyline text, comments, ratings, views, images, videos, usernames and everything else that we could take from the existing pages. Every few years the rhythm of the way the pages were created with the old development guys were changed and nothing was uniform. It was a huge obstacle to import all the content to the database not to mention that we had to re-encode every single movie to fit modern standards which we are still in the process of doing and haven't finished. These solutions were done as fast as possible to accommodate and bring the network back to life.

Now for new progress statuses. We are now halfway through building a NEW framework, bringing back the playground (doing it right this time), redeveloping the entire infrastructure from the ground up for all the network of sites. We are not salvaging anything from the code that is now running the network. Everything is written from scratch to completely tailor to every crevice of the network functions. Things might seem simple, but there is a lot of work and we are a 24 hour staff that is killing it. We will not release any new functions on the existing front end structure, but will release the new framework and start to build all kinds of bells and whistles to entice and keep the community busy in the coming months. We already have a few great implementations to the Playground which I think will take the VoyeurWeb to the next level. To be continued when beta rolls out.....

As for Kiki. She was a great part of the team and will be missed, but the show must go on and all employees are replaceable. We wish her the best of luck on her future endeavors.

If you guys have any comments, suggestions and/or concerns, please shoot me an email as I check my inbox every few minutes.

[contributor]

Admin 1, your biggest priority at the moment has to be to stop the voting manipulations and guarantee a fair competition.Kiki promised last month that all kind of filters,scripts..etc will be applied after the end of the competition to restrict multiple intentional votes.Nothing like that happened.September final scores are absolutely the same as we saw them the last hours of the month.No corrections were made.At the moment few individuals in WIS section are playing with the vote as they like.I sent many examples but here are some more.After being online for 5-6 hours last month my score dropped from 4,53 to 4,15 in a mater of 3 minutes.I sent you a picture of the screen as a proof but there was no response from your side.At the same time the winner in this section gained 0,5-0,6 to his score the last week of the month though his post was published 20 days ago.The person who was running this site in the past and who left last year stealing the content mentioned in a discussion that 90 % of the votes each post generated came within the first 48 hours after being published.What we see now is completely different pattern.

[Administrator]

Hello Contributor,

I received your email and looked into it with one of my guys here.

1. I can't find any manipulation
2. Second place received only 5 1's in September. Even 1st place got 6 1's
3. The main issue is that second place contribution didn't get enough 5's relative to the 4's. They received something like 2/3 5's and 1/3 4's which was just not enough to win.

You will see drastic ups and downs in the beginning hours of the contributions. They will idle out as more votes are submitted to the system for individual contributions to bring up/down the votes according to the vote count and what type of votes the contribution is getting.

We have pretty much solidified the voting manipulation and are still keeping an eye on it. They cant slam up/down votes any longer as we have locked it in to logged in accounts and 1 vote per IP, per contribution on top of that. They would have to go through a dramatic obstacle to get to manipulating the votes. We investigate for patterns, and if caught, the account/ip's which contributed to the contest and manipulation(s) will get an indefinite ban on the spot. This is why it takes about a week before all winners emails are sent out.

As I always stress, all suggestions pertaining to the voting scheme and elsewhere on the network are taken into serious consideration. If you have anything to contribute so we can better the system, I am open for discussion.

[chrisko]

Admin 1,it seems you are a tech guy and photography is not quite your field of knowledge but I hope even you can make a difference between poor,average and exclusive posts.When an exclusive post like mine http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3073190/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; gets a poor score like(4,48) that means that something is completely wrong with the voting system.You can compare my post with any 4,40-4,50 contri across all sections to see the difference.I will stop uploading exclusive content from now on because I would not like my posts to be downvoted each month.Few reasonable suggestions were made to improve the system but nothing was applied so far.Here is a simple solution-allow non registered users to vote again to reduce the weight of those multiple votes and restrict voting from proxy locations and wireless networks.Voting has to be allowed only from real static ip.

[rockclimber]

What about cyber harassment and threats such as what Daisy is experiencing? I refer you to the Private Shots COFF Town Hall thread for her most recent post. I have also posted about a Thread posting that has images that take the viewerto a very questionable porn site which I am concerned has underaged images in it. Yet the post still is up? So who is minding the store? Revenue is sufficient to hire someone if no one in management wants to take the time to do it.

Just a friendly heads up, these sorts of things can snowball into a huge headache .......

RC

[contributor]

Admin 1,thank you for the detailed answer but you are referring a wrong section.Last month I posted for Erotic clips.Those figures you mentioned about the poor votes (1`s) are not realistic for me.5-6 poor votes can not drop the score with 0,05-0,10 ,something we often see.As mentioned above my post was downvoted from 4,53 to 4,15 after 5-6 hours being online.I doubt it can be achieved with a couple of poor votes unless the total number of the voting users is extremely small like 80-100.I would like you to check the number of poor votes I received with the number of poor votes other contris in this section received

[Administrator]

contributor and chrisko,

Why don't you guys email me a link to one of your contributions in question, and I will put together an excel sheet with exactly how many votes, what votes and last segment of their IP's so we can go over it together and see where we can find discrepancies. That would be interesting.

Also, some contributions just don't get as many views as others. If you see this contri: http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3069796/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and compare it to the views it received, you will see it has twice the views and was put up just a few days before yours. This just goes to show you, the titles that you choose, the type of genre the contributions are shot in have a major cause and effect on the voting system and the amount of users visiting your albums. We need to see the patterns on the views and get to know what the audiences forte is. Come up with demographics and test different sections with various tactics until you nail it! Just ranting my thoughts as I'm looking at the contests with an unbiased eye but I think my arguments are pretty relevant.


rockclimber,

I see what you are saying about the harassment. This is why we have put in place an option when the contributor is uploading to disable commenting on their albums. You can also monitor your own albums and delete stuff you don't like on your contributions yourselves. There is a delete button next to every comment when you are logged in to the system with the credentials you used to upload the albums. We have people monitoring the comments and are deleting and cleaning up as much as possible and banning the really extreme ones that are just pure brutal as well. If you open your contributions for commenting, its obvious that you are going to have some negative feedback. It comes with the territory,and not everyone is in a happy place. There will be some sad fellow somewhere that will be an asshole that day because no one noticed his new tie. If we censor every third commenter, what will happen to the visitor base? The contributors are our core and I will go to extremes to accommodate reasonable suggestions to fix this, but we have to work together to come up with a medium where we don't piss off the public as well. Its a sensitive area and I think what we have in place is sufficient. You don't like it, delete it...


On another note:
Just wanted to clarify something that was discussed earlier in this thread. I noticed one of the users posted a graph of visitors that are coming to the VoyeurWeb was just above 500K a MONTH which is bogus and amounts to a little over 16K users a day. HA! We have that number just on our message boards and live chat rooms every day. Not True and if you don't have server stats or analytics referenced, I beg to differ on those numbers ENORMOUSLY and you can take that to the bank. No user stats that are available online are accurate. They use DNS values to generate numbers based on a guessing game.

[contributor]

Admin 1,I appreciate the idea to receive a voting information regarding my post.Here it is http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3065322/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I have to disagree that the number of views is related with the score like more views -bigger score.Here is an example:you can compare the following posts http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3070298/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and this one http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3073510/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Sometimes an average or even a poor post stays on the main page for two days and generates a huge amount of views and at the same time an excellent post is not published on the main page and even in the Daily pick

[Administrator]

Working on getting you stats.
PM me your email address if you don't want to post it in public. Ill forward you the stats.

[Jbe]

Admin, there is a difference between rude comments from somebody having a bad day or someone just being an asshole because they can. The comment Rock was talking about - and that I e-mailed you about- was beyond just being rude. It was totally uncalled for and borders on threatening. This was way beyond negative feedback.

[Administrator]

Jbe I agree that there are very bad characters that can rain on someones parade because of the garbage they rant. The comments can be moderated by the contributors. You don't like something on your wall, delete it. Simple no?

[Watchful]

Hi guys, I want to join the party, as my contri also in the WIS section and this month it is absolutely clear that it has been downvoted. And downvoted very active from date of Christo published... Contributor, last month, you blamed me for your failures and how I downvoted you, this month blaming Nubeach by same reason. Now just ridiculous to read the forum. Who will be blamed by you next month? In addition, all who are published in this section know that "Contributor"(in contris shown as Black Angel) and "Chrisko" is one and the SAME PERSON. So i think that all vote manipulation made by you with your knowledge in this theme.

To Admin, please, look at my contri this month for same reason and check out please if I was downvoted:
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3069407/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I see that every day, the score goes down.
This is despite the fact that last month a similar publication was much higher in the rankings, we have something to compare.
http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3050869/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you, I'll leave my email in a personal message.

[contributor]

Watcful,I am glad you joined the discussion because I have a lot of questions for you.Let`s start win your "wins" in August and September.I would like to know:1.How is it possible to spend two days around this couple and be able to catch just a pat of the boyfriend`s leg? 2.It is obvious that the action took place in the late afternoon when the shadow lines change very quickly (in a matter of 10-15 min)What we have in your posts is a girl caught in 20 different body position and the shadow line in the background is the same.It is obvious that those body positions were executed by command otherwise the girl had to change her position every 40-50 seconds.3.How is it possible to publish the post on 4th and have a score of 4,61 two days later and then finish the month with 4,78???The same thing happened with your post in August when we had a 4,63-4,76 leap.4.There is no evidence from your side that me and chrisko are the same person.I have though some disturbing evidence that you run two accounts-Watchful and Raamon.Offensive comments were made from those accounts in a matter of one minute bellow the same post???Raamon commented at 7,32 and Watchful at 7,33.It is obvious that the same person logged out from the first account and logged in the second.Now we come to the most interesting part.It looks like you have no idea how much a voyeur post worth here because you claim that your September and October posts are similar ???Actually there should be a 0,25-0,30 difference between the two posts.I would rate your October post as average-there is not a single exclusive picture,faces are not visible,pic 3 looks like on old lady for me..etc.Given that 4,43 is a fair score.In general:your August post won with 4,76 but it deserved 4,65 (subject was great,image quality very poor),your September post worth even less because it was a repeat -you got 4,78 and I would say 4,63 would be fair.You see that you got higher vscores for your August and September posts than they deserved and you got a fair vote for your October post.On the other hand my August and September posts got much lower score than they deserve.This can give an answer who is dowvoting the posts. p.s.Back in the old days when the voting system was working perfectly I new exactly (+-0,03-0,04) how much a voyeur post worth unlike you that`s why those figures I mentioned above are very close to reality.

[Jbe]

Diego, so by your saying Admin isn't going to do a thing you are declaring open season for even more rude comments. I understand there will always be low life scum who say rude things just because they can but I've seen too many comments that go beyond rude. I also understand you cannot totally police the comments and depend on viewers and contributors to delete and flag rude comments. But what was left on Daisy's comments went beyond just rude. Something should have been done.

Because of what has happened, VW has lost another unique contributor. Granted, she may not have been everybody's cup of tea but she certainly added some variety.

[Administrator]

Diego, so by your saying Admin isn't going to do a thing you are declaring open season for even more rude comments. I understand there will always be low life scum who say rude things just because they can but I've seen too many comments that go beyond rude. I also understand you cannot totally police the comments and depend on viewers and contributors to delete and flag rude comments. But what was left on Daisy's comments went beyond just rude. Something should have been done.

Because of what has happened, VW has lost another unique contributor. Granted, she may not have been everybody's cup of tea but she certainly added some variety.

Jbe if you recall from my previous post, we do monitor all the comments and act accordingly. Some might slip through the cracks from us, that why the contributors have the power to control what gets posted on their wall.What else would you like done? If she emailed us about this guy, we would determine if he was eligible for a ban and would have banned him accordingly. What are your suggestions on how you would like this handled? I'm sure for every negative post, contributors receive twice fold (at least) positive ones as well.

[Jbe]

Diego, it would appear I was trying to stand up for someone who apparently didn't want to push the issue... or at least not enough to contact you. So on that note, I'll just STFU.

[Administrator]

Jbe,

If you send me a link to those comments (if they are still visible), I will still hold them accountable for their actions accordingly. I will send a PM to the contributor now to see if she would like to come back and post. I will work with her to keep her comments in check.

[Jbe]

Diego, the contri has been removed presumably at her request. However, if you go to the Contri Connections, Private Shots, COFF Town Hall thread page 32 near the bottom of the page you can still see a screen shot she posted of the offending comment.

Maybe some people wouldn't think much about it but it really upset and scared her.

[Coffjr]

And if I can add my two cents in - having the option of the contributor to delete the message isn't really that great of an option. The damage of the message has already been done when it was read. In Daisy's case, it was perceived as a death treat.
Can you take into account how many rude comments by one person are deleted or removed (say per week or even day) and ban or block them? I know blocking all comments is also an option but most of these ladies what to hear positive comments - not negative ones. Daisy is only one contributor who has stopped posting at VW - how many more does it take before something is done. And it really doesn't matter how many good comments were received - it only take one or two jerks to ruin it for all.

[Administrator]

Hello Coffjr,

As I mentioned before. We are taking swift action on the very bad comments. It is much better than before, but you will get a few slip through the cracks until they are eventually seen and banned.

The contributors posting should pay these people no mind. They are bored souls that become keyboard warriors on the computer. I know its easier said than done but we cant ban everyone and have to be very careful not to piss off the end users as well as our contributors. This is a very delicate medium.

We have everything in place to moderate these people. When the new system rolls out, we will have a ranking system put in place for the end users. The algorithm we will use is yet to be determined but these users will get temporarily banned every time a certain amount of bad rep points are added to their profile. This is still in the wind as we are in heavy development and trying to cover all angles the best we can before our deadlines are met.

[Watchful]

It seems to me that the administration read only this topic, so I ask one more question here. I wrote about this 10 days ago to support@voyeurweb.com, but there was no answer. My contri meets the special theme "Landing strip" and I chose this option when upload, but it was turned off when the contri has been published. Why? Half of the photos fit the theme "Landing strip".

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/3069407/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please, fix it

[Administrator]

Watchful is this your site?

http://m.ruwrz.ru/nudisti/2416-devchenki-nudistki.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Watchful]

:-)
Diego, of course not. Dont you see that the photos are taken from VW? Right on the first photo, on a towel from the left of the girl removed logo of VW. This is visible. And it was made on all pics. Compare with my contri. I do not have a website, I do not send my pics to other sites and is well acquainted with the rules of VW for not to do such stupid things.

[Watchful]

Look at main page of same site, they are stealing all of VW content every day!!!
http://ruwrz.ru/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Need to do something.

[Administrator]

I have notified their hosting company to take action against the domain. Ill give you feedback as I get them in.