[FAQ]

oops! Now you see them and now you don't.

Thursday July 26: Since the contributions for July have only been taken live for the last 3 days, all contest entries will be combined with the month of August. $100 winners for every 25th approved contri will be announced on the first of August.

I think it is a bit unfair to those contributors who provided you content in July to tell them, "Just kidding!" You made an offer of $1250 for first place in VW, and $1500 for RC.

The Free Voyeurweb has regular monthly round photo contests with US$ 1250, 600, 400, 300, 200 awards for the five best voted contris Private Shots, Free Style, Exposed in Public and "What I Saw". Each Section has its own 5 regular awards!!

At RedClouds Regular Section and Homeclips Video Section the best FIVE voted contris will receive an award (US$1500, US$ 500, US$ 400, US$ 300 and US$ 200)

Starting with the March 2011 round, also the 5 best Hard&Soft combined contris (At least one contri at VW and one at HC or RC showing the same model) voted contris will receive an award (US$1000, US$500, US$ 300, US$ 200 and US$ 100)

ONLY ONE REGULAR AWARD PER CONTRIBUTOR A MONTH!!

ONLY AMATEURS CAN WIN AN AWARD!!

Now, you are welshing on that offer. Implied contract. Had you told them from the start that July and August were combined, don't you think some might have held off submitting until into August? You lied to the contributors to get them to submit early.

This is a dreadful start to the new VW. First, previous winners are having special contest prize awards removed from their owed winnings. Not sure if any recent past winner was given a valid check yet either. Then you just make the entire month of May vanish from the awards because of something happening in June. Now you make July and August the same month. May through August is what really is being put into one award. And winners from March and April might be thinking the same. A quarter to half a year gone. Who loses? The contributors. Totally unfair. Welcome to the new VW!

You made an offer, now please stick to it. You NEVER change the rules after a contest starts. As much as the new VW wants to follow the gov't rules concerning 1099 and SSN, the new-VW ought to check out the rules concerning contests. I'm sure the AG of Florida will be helpful in clarifying the law for you.

[VWSupport]

With only five days left in July, I am sure how you could see that this would be the logical way of doing it so as to have the time to hold an actual contest. In accordance with the rules, we hold monthly contests, meaning the contests occur over the period of a month, which is many days, not just a few. Additionally, this is why we offered the $100 for every 25th approved contri, so that those who contributed at the end of July are not only getting the chance to win, but also getting a big thank you for posting early and helping us rebuild what makes these sites great (the contributors and their lovely photos!). If you are a contributor and have won, I'm sure you already know that checks have been cut for the previous months.

As you are likely aware, the sites were sabotaged and hijacked, leaving us to pick up the pieces and recover, while also rebuilding. Those with programming knowledge understand how difficult this is to come back from and very time consuming. We understand and apologize that these past two months have been very, very hard on everyone, but please understand that it has been a very difficult experience for everyone at the VW Team as well, and the entire team is doing everything they can to make this site even better than before, we just need your patience and understanding in order to accomplish this. Thank you.

[rugrollers]

Thursday July 26: Since the contributions for July have only been taken live for the last 3 days, all contest entries will be combined with the month of August. $100 winners for every 25th approved contri will be announced on the first of August.

I think it is a bit unfair to those contributors who provided you content in July to tell them, "Just kidding!" You made an offer of $1250 for first place in VW, and $1500 for RC.
Now, you are welshing on that offer. Implied contract. Had you told them from the start that July and August were combined, don't you think some might have held off submitting until into August? You lied to the contributors to get them to submit early.

FAQ, I'm all for holding VW accountable, but I really don't see that this is such a big deal. Everyone knows the site is still in some disarray, and if anyone seriously thought they might be able to sneak in and win July against no competition then that is a risk they should have known they were taking. Yes, better would have been for VW to put it on the main page from the start that July and August would be combined, but it's pretty obvious they are scrambling to get a lot of things done, having put the site back up before everything was fully functional. Combining July and August makes perfectly good sense.

First, previous winners are having special contest prize awards removed from their owed winnings. Not sure if any recent past winner was given a valid check yet either. Then you just make the entire month of May vanish from the awards because of something happening in June. Now you make July and August the same month. May through August is what really is being put into one award. And winners from March and April might be thinking the same. A quarter to half a year gone. Who loses? The contributors. Totally unfair. Welcome to the new VW!

You are right that special contests were not supposed to count as "double wins" in the past (although I'm all in favor of switching it so that they are in future, which broadens the winners' pool).

To be fair, the "something that happened in June" was hardly trivial, no matter which side's version of events you believe. I really don't think they know who won in May, and I'll bet VC isn't going to be willing to given them that information. So what should they do? They have said they would pay them if there was any documentation, but apparently I was the only one who could provide any. Based on what I sent them, I have a commitment from Kiki that they will pay the HC awards. I haven't had any formal confirmation of this, so we shall see. I do think they could and should make a more high-profile effort to get information about the other winners lists from trustworthy members and contributors. If they can get consensus on winners lists in certain contests they should pay those. In general, I think they could be doing more to win back contributors, and this would be one way to do it.

[FAQ]

The Main page read prizes for July. It is not just five days as you said, nor was it three days Ghost posted. It was nine days in July. As much as nine days is not a month, neither is 40 days a month. Play games with the words. You are simply slapping the very faces of contributors who provided you contri when you desperately needed them.

The $100/25 contri does nothing to those who already submitted. That makes it a double slap in the face to those who provided content for you.

Promising one thing and delivering another. It's been this way since June 9th.

The checks that were cut cheated some contributors out of money they were entitled for winning both regular and special contests. then we have the whole SSN craziness. Add to that Ghost's incredibly short deadline for claiming the prizes. And again, what about the May winners? Nothing.

VW is screwing the contributors. It is not a good way to start.

I fully understand the situation you have, but I do not even begin to understand why VW is not doing everything they can to build loyalty with the contributors. It makes zero sense. It is totally foreign to what we all once found a home at VW.

This would be a simple show of good faith on VW part.

[rockclimber]

I concur, Pay and pay happily and celebrate the winners for July and instead of pissing them all off, you'll have free advertising for the entire month of August.

Just my two cents... And yet another erosion of trust....






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[FAQ]

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Combining July and August makes perfectly good sense.
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I really don't think they know who won in May
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It makes perfectly good sense to combine the months if you do not want to honor your past commitments. Do what you said you would do is a simple honest approach to running a competition. Which brings us back to May...
VW has May contri posted with scores. How difficult is it to go through those contri manually and record the five highest ranking contri from each section?
Special contest contri are marked as well.

[zardoz1962]

Thursday July 26: Since the contributions for July have only been taken live for the last 3 days, all contest entries will be combined with the month of August. $100 winners for every 25th approved contri will be announced on the first of August.

This might be acceptable for some profitless enterprise, but that's not what VW is. It is an operation that, when it operated well, made thousands upon thousands of dollars a week and desperately wants to get back there.

And why are they in this situation? Because they failed to take a dime of that thousands and thousands of dollars to provide for proper off-site secure backups of their systems. Forget what Igor or Ghost did or didn't do. A simple hurricane, earthquake, fire, or tornado (depending on where the servers actually are) would have caused just as much damage and just as much delay. Clearly from the way in which the return happened they had no usable code backups (which appear to be 100% rewritten from scratch to duplicate the old VW look and feel) and do not have content backups from the final two weeks and more.

Now having found it harder to rebuild than they thought they want to rewrite the rules after the fact. Perhaps they can argue that these problems are not their fault, but they are their responsibility. If the local McDonalds burned down, would you think it OK if they said they will not pay their Monopoly game prizes because they needed the money to rebuild?

We do not come here because it is VW, we come here because of the communities of contributors and posters that grew around VW. Keeping that community intact and supportive is both the right and smart thing for VW to do. That means:

1) All pre-May prizes, MFF payments, etc. must be honored. You say it was someone else's responsibility to make those payments. Wrong. Perhaps it was someone else's assignment to make those payments, but it is on VW that the pictures appeared and it is VW that gained the benefit. If you are in fact the true owners of VW, then you are the true owners of that debt.

2) May prizes must be paid, to the best of VW's ability. VW says they don;t know who won? I recall at least one member of the community saying he had a screen shot of the winner's pages. I'm sure there are more. As well, as FAQ says, if no one does have a copy the contris can be manually scanned and the winners determined. It is not hard to find a fair, reasonable way to take care of the May winners; it just required making the decision that it is important to do so.

3) VW announced and promoted a contest for June. Sure, they probably shouldn't have given that under 1/3 of the month remained, but they did. They needed content immediately and I'm sure some contributors realized that with so many of the major contributors sitting on the sideline and with only a short month, a quick contribution gave them a chance to win that might not come again. They rushed to get contributions in and, having gotten what VW needs, VW wants to renege.

4) Anyone who can even provide a strong indication that they had a membership should get a new membership with free credit from the time VW went down to the moment their particular paid portion is at least 95% up and running again. Some people join RC for the pictures and some for the forums. You can not reasonably claim the site is back and memberships chargeable until both aspects are working nearly as good as they always have or offer membership refunds backdated to crash day.

All of these things are both the right and the legally required things to do. Yest, they will cost but the expense is nothing compared to the profit a well-running VW with a happy community will generate so there is really no excuse not to do exactly this.

[rugrollers]

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Which brings us back to May...
VW has May contri posted with scores. How difficult is it to go through those contri manually and record the five highest ranking contri from each section?
Special contest contri are marked as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, FAQ. They have May contris up to May 22nd, with scores as of May 22nd, but would it be any fairer to calculate awards on that basis than to rerun the contest?

1) All pre-May prizes, MFF payments, etc. must be honored. You say it was someone else's responsibility to make those payments. Wrong. Perhaps it was someone else's assignment to make those payments, but it is on VW that the pictures appeared and it is VW that gained the benefit. If you are in fact the true owners of VW, then you are the true owners of that debt.

2) May prizes must be paid, to the best of VW's ability. VW says they don;t know who won? I recall at least one member of the community saying he had a screen shot of the winner's pages. I'm sure there are more. As well, as FAQ says, if no one does have a copy the contris can be manually scanned and the winners determined. It is not hard to find a fair, reasonable way to take care of the May winners; it just required making the decision that it is important to do so.

Zardoz, they announced weeks ago that they are paying March and April prizes and covering checks that bounced for Jan and Feb prize winners. I have heard from some contributors that they were contacted about these awards. Kiki says that checks have been going out. It would be helpful to get this confirmed by someone who has been paid -- the problem is that no one pays much attention to this board anymore.

I was the one who took a screen shot of the HC main page when I noticed everything going screwy on June 9th (actually, I printed to pdf). In an earlier thread, prize payments were promised if documentation could be provided, but apparently I was the only one who provided any. If there isn't any documentation (again, I don't understand what you and FAQ mean about manual scanning), I don't see what fair way there would be to pay the prizes except maybe through a consensus among winners and some attentive viewers as to who won what. But if you can identify one, I would be glad to advocate for it.

Regardless of the July contest issue, I generally agree with FAQ and Zardoz that not enough thought and energy (and maybe money) is being put toward contributors. Ever since memberships started being recovered that seems to be the singular focus of attention, aside from whatever back office tech work is being done and fine-tuning the RCBB.

Kiki, you told me last Friday that you would put a message on the front page to announce that HC May prizes would be paid and that further efforts would be made to identify winners of other May contests. I also asked for confirmation from ghost or whoever acknowledging our documentation of that winners list.

Nothing has happened on either front in the intervening week. Could we please see some progress on these issues? Surely the membership flood must have ebbed by now, and anyway, as I've said, you need to maintain a balance between attending to members and attending to the contributors who supply your content.

[rockclimber]

Is anybody else can a topic notification emails that are completely empty emails. I have gotten to today and have absolutely no information in the email. Both come from kiki.

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[FAQ]

--snip--
Which brings us back to May...
VW has May contri posted with scores. How difficult is it to go through those contri manually and record the five highest ranking contri from each section?
Special contest contri are marked as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, FAQ. They have May contris up to May 22nd, with scores as of May 22nd, but would it be any fairer to calculate awards on that basis than to rerun the contest?

Yes. Much fairer to pay out the prizes based on the contri still be presented here than to totally ignore what is owed some contributors. Let's suppose the "real" winner posted after May 22nd. Sure, they lose out because VW "removed" their contri, but the rules were that VW could remove any contri for any reason.

VW elected to repost the May contri. They were not removed after the mid-June awarding date - they were re-posted after that date. That makes them eligible for cash awards. The top five ranking from each section deserve prize money, and the special contests do as well. Each contri shows its rank as of that date (e.g., Current rating:****- 4.24) in the upper right corner of the contri. Manually tab those contri and scores.

It is not fair to totally disregard that people submitted to a contest, then after their pics were displayed for the month... and still on display... that they not be part of any contest/award.

If Kiki wants to continue to play word games with "monthly" contests, combine the May contri with the July contri, and she'll have her 30-31 days of contri to rank winners. Not the original contract offered by VW, but it is better than ignoring past contributors and pissing on those contributors who sent in contri when VW resumed.

If the new-VW cannot show some respect to their contributors, why should any contributor show any respect to the new-VW?

[FAQ]

since Kiki locked the May Awards thread (?!?!?)

Winners Please See Here:

Unread postby Kiki » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:27 pm
First, a thank you. You, our contributors, are a giant part of this community, and without you there would be no VoyeurWeb. If you have won a contest (and can provide proof please), including those in May, and have not received your check or confirmation that a check will be coming your way, you must contact ghost@voyeurweb.com as soon as possible with the proof and proper information. We would like to ensure that all winners have received their proper prizes, so please provide Ghost with as much information as possible--snip--

Start with the contri VW does have from May. Rank those. Then if someone who posted after May 22 has a snapshot to prove their contri outranked the others, let them claim the prize. The proof for the rest is on your very own VW pages.

Why is VW making it nearly impossible for contributors to claim their prizes? It makes zero sense!

And with recent events, I'd probably have VW mail the check general delivery to a nearby post office rather than provide my actual address.

[rugrollers]

Start with the contri VW does have from May. Rank those. Then if someone who posted after May 22 has a snapshot to prove their contri outranked the others, let them claim the prize. The proof for the rest is on your very own VW pages.

I have a better idea. There are, after all, people who undoubtedly know exactly what May winners lists were posted before the June 9th crash and have the documentation that VW has lost.

FAQ, why don't you join me in asking them to release that information as a demonstration that their concern for contributors takes precedence over their prosecution of ongoing site/site hostilities? (Thereby also demonstrating that your own concern for contributors is genuine, and not just a handy weapon to beat VW over the head with.)

Don't know why I didn't think of this before, or why no one has.

Rug Roller

[FAQ]

Start with the contri VW does have from May. Rank those. Then if someone who posted after May 22 has a snapshot to prove their contri outranked the others, let them claim the prize. The proof for the rest is on your very own VW pages.

I have a better idea. There are, after all, people who undoubtedly know exactly what May winners lists were posted before the June 9th crash and have the documentation that VW has lost.

FAQ, why don't you join me in asking them to release that information as a demonstration that their concern for contributors takes precedence over their prosecution of ongoing site/site hostilities? (Thereby also demonstrating that your own concern for contributors is genuine, and not just a handy weapon to beat VW over the head with.)

Don't know why I didn't think of this before, or why no one has.

Rug Roller

I know you have Homeclips covered. I haven't heard of anyone else saving the pages from any other section. If so, that would be excellent to use in part. However, VW still needs to compile the list based on the results as of May 22-23. Otherwise, anyone with a little HTML skill can make their own "winner's" page. The two lists will need to jive.

If VW or you feel I'm beating them over their head about this, it is because until they get their act together on re-establishing trust with the contributors, this site will never reclaim itself. It seems at every turn, Ghost makes a left until someone stands up to shout, "Right!"

[rugrollers]

If VW or you feel I'm beating them over their head about this, it is because until they get their act together on re-establishing trust with the contributors, this site will never reclaim itself. It seems at every turn, Ghost makes a left until someone stands up to shout, "Right!"

FAQ -- of course this is a perfectly reasonable thing to beat them over the head with, as have been several of the other issues you have raised. I am glad you're raised them and I have backed you up on a number of them. However, the tone of your comments does not sound like someone who genuinely wants the site to do better by contributors so much as someone who wants to inflict as much damage as possible whenever they do worse. I don't think I have ever seen you approve of a single thing they've done, even when it fulfills your own demands.

Anyway, I have now posted a request on VC that Igor publish the May winners lists. Can you back me on this? And if he refuses, can you help hold his feet to the fire in the same way you have consistently (and rightly for the most part) held VW's feet to the fire? This is what I am wondering. If it is really contributors' welfare you are concerned about, then surely you will agree that Igor has a responsibility to provide the lists....

Rug Roller

[FAQ]

If VW or you feel I'm beating them over their head about this, it is because until they get their act together on re-establishing trust with the contributors, this site will never reclaim itself. It seems at every turn, Ghost makes a left until someone stands up to shout, "Right!"

FAQ -- of course this is a perfectly reasonable thing to beat them over the head with, as have been several of the other issues you have raised. I am glad you're raised them and I have backed you up on a number of them. However, the tone of your comments does not sound like someone who genuinely wants the site to do better by contributors so much as someone who wants to inflict as much damage as possible whenever they do worse. I don't think I have ever seen you approve of a single thing they've done, even when it fulfills your own demands.

Anyway, I have now posted a request on VC that Igor publish the May winners lists. Can you back me on this? And if he refuses, can you help hold his feet to the fire in the same way you have consistently (and rightly for the most part) held VW's feet to the fire? This is what I am wondering. If it is really contributors' welfare you are concerned about, then surely you will agree that Igor has a responsibility to provide the lists....

Rug Roller

No clue what "tone" you hear when I type, but I have always stood on the side of the naked ladies. VW will rise or fall on how they treat the naked ladies. They've been falling since June 9th. It is time to stop digging the hole deeper.

You are taking my criticisms of Ghost as against VW. Think about that, and what Ghost as told us. VW is not his. VW is some mystery man behind the curtain who makes all the decisions by committee. Yet Ghost takes ownership of pulling the plug.

[FAQ]

Anyway, I have now posted a request on VC that Igor publish the May winners lists. Can you back me on this? And if he refuses, can you help hold his feet to the fire in the same way you have consistently (and rightly for the most part) held VW's feet to the fire? This is what I am wondering. If it is really contributors' welfare you are concerned about, then surely you will agree that Igor has a responsibility to provide the lists....

Rug Roller

Surely, I do not. and stop calling me Shirley. Igor is an ex-employee of VW. What was he called? a puny contract employee? You cannot expect someone who quits a company to come back and bail out that company. I do not understand that logic at all.

It would be a nice gesture if Igor did that, but other than a simple request? Nope. Not going there. It is entirely VW's responsibility. Even if Igor provides a listing, why should VW accept it? Can they trust anything from him? If they do, what does that say about the last two months of posts against his character here? Again, the logic fails me.

Maybe Igor will make a listing with my naked, hair ass claiming all top ranks? VW has got to use the facts they own. They own the scores through May 22nd. A contri submitted May 28th is no longer posted. It is out of the contest - rightly or wrongly - but that is the rules we all played by.

Ghost has the power to do the right thing without Igor's help. It is time we see Ghost's character in action, rather than inaction.

[FAQ]

It is past time to pay these people:

http://www.voyeurweb.com/ranks.sect/Nud ... ndex1.html
and the other winners from the other sections.

Ghost, do the right thing. You know it is. Stop asking Kiki to defend a defenseless policy. Stop hoping others will quiet the discontent. You have all the evidence you need to do the right thing. Stop playing hiding games.

[rockclimber]

Hey FAQ,

Hows it going?

All you can do is make suggestions and hope sensible people prevail....

IF it were me, I'd pay em, make a huge deal out of it and start with randome 100 dollar awards for Forum pics and contri that are good.... That will get peoples attention cost a few bucks for sure but money well spent and would shift the focus to the positive.....


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[VWSupport]

Please note that all the winners who have contacted us have been paid, or for those who contacted us recently the checks are being drawn up. I invite you to ask those winners if you would like confirmation rather than taking my word for it. It is unfair to say that VW has not paid their winners, and is untrue. As stated previously, the monthly contest for July or June was unable to be held as we did not have enough time in either month to hold a monthly contest as the site was not able to properly accept contris from all contributors during this time due to the issues we have faced. We are trying hard to keep things fair, however a contest that only certain people were able to enter held for only a brief few days rather than a month, is not fair to all the contributors.

[FAQ]

Please note that all the winners who have contacted us have been paid, or for those who contacted us recently the checks are being drawn up. I invite you to ask those winners if you would like confirmation rather than taking my word for it. It is unfair to say that VW has not paid their winners, and is untrue. As stated previously, the monthly contest for July or June was unable to be held as we did not have enough time in either month to hold a monthly contest as the site was not able to properly accept contris from all contributors during this time due to the issues we have faced. We are trying hard to keep things fair, however a contest that only certain people were able to enter held for only a brief few days rather than a month, is not fair to all the contributors.

VW needs to contact the winners, and if they cannot because they lost their contact information, they need to hold open the window to claim the prize awards. Any contributor who thought they won, then never got the notice while VW was down and out, might have logically assumed they'd never see their check. Probably deleted the bookmark and moved on elsewhere. If VW has any hopes of getting them back, it is to pay them what is owed. Use Main Page TOP space to tell those winners to make their claims.

As far as May goes, those contributors read and read threads from VW telling them that the awards would not be awarded. Now you assume each contributor is looking hourly and reading every single word here. Not likely. VW needs to do their best to contact those winners.

Now let's consider July. It harms no contributor who did not enter the July contests to award winners to July contributors. Trying to claim the fairness high ground on this one is rather odd. A contest was offered with the understanding the contest was for July, and now VW is saying, "We'll do as we say now, not as what we said before." That is unfair and untrustworthy.

Thus, VW has not paid their all their winners in May and July. In fact, VW has told them to forget about payment of those awards. Coming back in a little read thread to claim otherwise is not doing a damn thing to solve the problem. And the larger problem of trust is made worse.

Kiki, no offense, but Ghost has to step up on this one. Hiding in the background hoping the outrage dwindles is pathetic. Main Page. He knows it is the right thing to do, but why must we drag him kicking and screaming to do so?

[rockclimber]

Pretty much what he said....

There is an implied contract for July.... As for the other months.... why piss people off?


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[Lucky99]

I don't think even Wells Fargo could survive for 90 days without any income.
Could that be the problem here?

[rockclimber]

J would hope not. Honestly.the amount of money awarded is probably less than the staff salaries expended dealing with all the chatter about it. The negative pr is a huge cost but far harder to assess. Lets hope for the best.....

[FAQ]

J would hope not. Honestly.the amount of money awarded is probably less than the staff salaries expended dealing with all the chatter about it. The negative pr is a huge cost but far harder to assess. Lets hope for the best.....

We can hope for the best, but history is a strong indication of what will happen.

Unless Ghost takes action immediately, the damage will have been done. This is not something you can repair a month from now. It has to be done very, very soon. Trust is fleeting. Once gone, it is gone forever. And that trust is slipping away as I type.

Kiki, if you wish to affect real change here; if you want to be the link between VW and the contributors; if you want everyone to view you as an honest and direct person, you need to scream at Ghost to do the right thing. Stop defending his inactions. Perhaps not a public scream, although much more powerful, but scream at him. Defend the contributors always. That's not to say every contributor is right, but defend the rights of all contributors as a whole. Making excuses for Ghost not doing the right thing is not winning you any fans, and that will hurt any "PR" message Ghost wants you to carry in the future. Do not let Ghost ruin your ability to link contributors to VW. Remember, VW is not Ghost.

[rockclimber]

I can add a positve note... just heard fdom Trinity and she DID receive her payments. She did add a note of concern about the place getting up to.speed before posting here.....

She will I am pretty sure make it in and speak for herself I expect...but the comment is worthy of passing on....


See ya!
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[FAQ]

I can add a positve note... just heard fdom Trinity and she DID receive her payments. She did add a note of concern about the place getting up to.speed before posting here.....

She will I am pretty sure make it in and speak for herself I expect...but the comment is worthy of passing on....


See ya!
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Great news, some April winners are finally getting paid.

I'm talking May and July winners. Of course, all those bounced checks from previous months should be honored with additional funds for the bank charges.

[rockclimber]

Just read this.... keeping with the cash flow concerns... I would suggest. Maybe a free gift membership to the contributor and one for a friend.they want tongive it to? Make it fun....get people involved.....rebuild the community.... we want our home back after all....!

[FAQ]

Sadly, Ghost's inactions will cost VW much in terms of contributor loyalty. His actions following Igor's exit were bad enough, but now, his inactions are making the situation much worse.

I'm guessing one thing is right - the new-VW is crippled by no one person making the decision, but a committee needed to be formed and subcommittees appointed to research and conduct opinion polls, then presentations to the Board of Directors, then maybe if the man in charge can be bothered, a decision is made.

Sure sounds sexy and intimate to me. Contributors no longer teasing the man they knew as Igor, but a bunch of faceless, nameless, and unaccountable directors calling staff meetings.

[rockclimber]

Hey FAQ, who is Ghost?

I used to think you worked for VW to be truthful. How did you come to be so involved with this?

As far as I know VW is owned by Social Media and it has two brothers who control it, KA and JA. KA is a good guy, JA I don't know much about, nothing bad, just I don't know him or much about him.

The "Persona of Igor" did alot to make the place seem homey, I agree. With this messed up situation, I have had occaisnon to peek around out of curiousity. There are a lot of these sites but VW was the only one that had that "Family/community/friends etc feel and look.



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[rockclimber]

What about CAM? Haven't seen her either around here I don't think?

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[FAQ]

A guy logs in using his initials, Fennis Albert Quincy, and the next thing you know, people are frequently asking questions to me. Hard to get them to stop. that's my life. Observed and learned.

Cam is the male half of Merci and Cam. Last Merci post was over two years ago.

[FAQ]

Ghost was the dude who was left in the building when Igor made his exit, and others followed. To prevent the already gone Igor from stealing more, Ghost pulled the infamous plug on the VW network. They've been trying to recover ever since that panic'd decision. Either Ghost saved VW from complete downfall, or his actions caused it. He's been trying to rebuild ever since.

Ghost was handling many things before Igor left.
We had Ghost and Kathy after Igor left.
Then Ghost, Diego, and Kiki after Kathy's departure.
The one constant throughout this sad affair has been Ghost.
He was posting frequently for a while, now, he does not return to the BB.

The other names are rumors, and do not matter if we never see them post.

[rugrollers]

As far as I know VW is owned by Social Media and it has two brothers who control it, KA and JA. KA is a good guy, JA I don't know much about, nothing bad, just I don't know him or much about him.

What makes you say KA is a good guy with such confidence, Rock?

Rug Roller

[FAQ]

the silence speaks volumes.

May and July contributors get screwed for Ghost pulling the plug without proper backups. Completely unfair.

[VWSupport]

FAQ, I am trying very hard to answer all questions, however I have replied to these topics before. Please note that the May winners have not been "screwed" and have been paid, ask for confirmation of this to the winners and they will tell you. We were unable to have a July contest due to us being unable to have the contris up and running for votes before the very end, which did not allow for the majority of contributors to receive enough votes to pass the threshold required. This would have left a very few to actually be eligible to win anything, which WOULD have "screwed" the majority of contributors who uploaded in July. Now everyone has a fair chance to win. All of our contributors are understanding about this and I have not had a single issue from any of them.

[FAQ]

FAQ, I am trying very hard to answer all questions, however I have replied to these topics before. Please note that the May winners have not been "screwed" and have been paid, ask for confirmation of this to the winners and they will tell you. We were unable to have a July contest due to us being unable to have the contris up and running for votes before the very end, which did not allow for the majority of contributors to receive enough votes to pass the threshold required. This would have left a very few to actually be eligible to win anything, which WOULD have "screwed" the majority of contributors who uploaded in July. Now everyone has a fair chance to win. All of our contributors are understanding about this and I have not had a single issue from any of them.

Not all the May contributors, and the official BB notification was the May contests was null and void because you only had the standings through the 22nd. Some are contacting me because they fear contacting the new-VW. The SSN issue has not been publicly resolved. They also know if they make a big stink, it is easy for the new-VW to downvote their future contri. One expressed concerns that the viewers/voters would think they are only in it for the money.

I will not name names. Don't ask. Publicly announce May winners. Then contact those winners to contact you. That has not been done. Maybe a few contributors have jumped through your hoops, but there remains others waiting. They feel they have been screwed.

If the new-VW thinks they have paid each top five contributor in each section, I can tell you that you sent some checks to the wrong people. Again, the real contributor gets screwed by the new-VW. It is way past time to do the right thing.

[rockclimber]

Ok so who won again? I missed the list.

[FAQ]

Ok so who won again? I missed the list.

You didn't miss the list. the new-VW has never posted it. All we have is the snapshot on May 22, and VW will not even acknowledge that publicly. Amazing.

Kiki, at least you are not going back to that lame excuse for the July contest-no-contest where you stated July was not a full month. An offer was made, and several accepted the offer. Then the new-VW says, "oops! We didn't mean what we said. Send more contri and believe us." Where does it say we only allow winners to receive prizes if xxx,xxx votes are received? You can claim that at the end of August as well. You can arbitrarily raise the threshold each month. Why should anyone believe any different? Two months unpaid winners.

Again, totally unfair to the contributor who accepted the offer without a minimum vote required clause. A clause they have zero control over. That was the new-VW's responsibility to advertise the contest and promote the voting. You are penalizing the contributor for the new-VW's inactions. Just do the right thing, and please no more lame excuses.

[Lucky99]

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[rugrollers]

If the new-VW thinks they have paid each top five contributor in each section, I can tell you that you sent some checks to the wrong people.

Apparently you have the true and factual winners' lists after all, since you're so sure of who really deserves to be paid. That's more than Igor has, who is very helpfully trying to get them recovered from some half-erased hard drives. So why didn't you publish them or supply them to VW long ago?

Rug Roller

[FAQ]

If the new-VW thinks they have paid each top five contributor in each section, I can tell you that you sent some checks to the wrong people.

Apparently you have the true and factual winners' lists after all, since you're so sure of who really deserves to be paid. That's more than Igor has, who is very helpfully trying to get them recovered from some half-erased hard drives. So why didn't you publish them or supply them to VW long ago?

Rug Roller

I stated what I have - the status as of May 22nd.
I have foggy recollections of some of the final winners, too.
Some contributors who would have a legit claim to prize awards saw their standings before Ghost wiped out everything. I can trust them to remember where they were in the final standings. It jives with the snapshot we have from May 22nd.

What is easier to believe? The new-VW has no proof of the final standings but they claim to have paid all the May winners? Or that we have fragments of the final and a complete snapshoot as of May 22nd standings, and some of those winners have no means to collect prize money since the new-VW awarded the wrong people.

You may have gotten your check based on your snapshot of the HC final standings, but others have not.

And has Ghost stated he'll accept Igor's recovery as truth? Ghost has been totally silent. He knows the blame is on him, and he is in hiding. He is having Kiki defend his pathetic position, and only recently did John make an appearance to make yet another promise of a new and improved Funbags... coming soon. We've heard that one before, too.

The official line from the new-VW is that the May contest is null and void because Ghost screwed up big time. If the contributor can provide absolute evidence to their winnings, Ghost will take their SSN and write them a check as he reports to the Federal government via 1099 - he might as well say, these people are making porn, probably without proper recording per US Code 2257 - all because a lazy accountant told him to do so. Oh, Ghost will be storing those SSN in his emails, but no one ever gets their email hacked, right? Even if he deletes them, the servers retain all logs of emails. Ghost would rather blame his accountant than to pick up the damn phone and talk to a decent tax lawyer.

And people wonder why I think the new-VW is screwing the contributors?

(love the animated piggy)

[FAQ]

Has VW relied on Igor's recovered data to notify the winners yet?

Since you asked Igor to call in favors to get the recovered data, are you not going to fight for those winners to be announced and awarded their fair prize money? Why bother Igor if you did not intend to do anything with his information?

[Lucky99]

I see they put a 2 week stipulation on the $100 winners that should be enough to re-neg on the pay outs.

From front page
Saturday August 18, 2012: $100 winners for every approved 25th contributions will be emailed today to claim the prizes. Winners should claim their prizes within two weeks as they will be nulled any tie after the week week period is over.

[housemd]

Funny stuff, they cannot provide a list of who won.
Yet the other side claims to have a complete list, gained from a destroyed harddrive that somebody had recovered the data from in less than a week.
The people here cannot even get a website going with good harddrives in months.

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