[elklindo69]

Former Republican House Speaker John Boehner doesn't think the GOP can fully repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, the healthcare law better known as Obamacare.

Boehner said at a healthcare conference in Orlando, Florida, on Thursday that the Republican plan to overhaul President Barack Obama's signature law was "not going to happen." He said the idea of an imminent repeal and replace was "happy talk," according to a report from Politico's Darius Tahir.

Boehner retired from Congress in 2015, and his successor, House Speaker Paul Ryan, announced last week that House Republicans were planning to introduce their Obamacare replacement bill after the legislature's weeklong Presidents' Day break.

Senate Republicans have objected to parts of the House GOP plan, however, and Boehner said Thursday that those differences would make it hard for the party to come together on a new plan.

"I started laughing," Boehner said, discounting the possibility of a fast replacement. "Republicans never ever agree on healthcare."

Boehner repeatedly butted heads with Obama during his tenure as speaker, but he also drew criticism from conservative factions within his own party saying he was too willing to compromise.

According to the report, Boehner concluded his talk by saying "most of the framework of the Affordable Care Act" was "going to be there" in the end.

The repeal of Obamacare has long been on the to-do list for Republicans, even during Boehner's tenure. Disagreements on the replacement aspect and unclear communication, however, have led to a slowdown on the change.

Additionally, parts of the law have grown popular with the American public, with the law's overall popularity ticking to record levels since the election of President Donald Trump. Even in their own districts, Republicans are catching an earful from voters against the ACA's repeal.

[johnforbes]

The good (or at least popular) things about Obamacare could have been enacted on one piece of paper (such as pre-existing conditions).

Obamacare was just a transfer to wealth away from successful people, and there were many lies Obama told to ram it through.

Other things are also true, such as the reality that Boehner was spineless and afraid to fight Obama's agenda.

As to the Repub Establishment, the reason it didn't have an Obamacare replacement bill ready was that most of those people didn't think Trump could win and were not working to make that happen.

Paul Ryan has been as spineless as Boehner so far, but at least he went down to the border to see the problem.

[Clownkicker]

"Obamacare was just a transfer to wealth away from successful people,..."-johnflubs

Yes, johnny, it's called INSURANCE, which is what Republicans wanted and still want.
All insurance transfers wealth from "successful" people to those less fortunate.
(Well, if you include the unnecessary insurance companies in the "less fortunate" category, of course.)

Just wait and see, whatever the Republicans come up with will also be insurance, and that will be a transfer of wealth to the less fortunate and the insurance companies, just like "Obamacare".

Criminy, johnny, the degree of your dishonesty is staggering.


"As to the Repub Establishment, the reason it didn't have an Obamacare replacement bill ready was that most of those people didn't think Trump could win and were not working to make that happen."-johnfibs

So not a single one of those 66 bills they tried to pass during the Obama Administration was a serious, legitimate bill? johnny, I'm shocked you would admit that Republicans have just been jerking their gullible constituents around for eight years.

[Intrepid]

So, the AssClown admits the Republicans will come up with a successful insurance plan that will cover everyone in a much better fashion than ObozoCare ever could.

[Clownkicker]

"So, the AssClown admits the Republicans will come up with a successful insurance plan that will cover everyone in a much better fashion than ObozoCare ever could."-LoserBoyAssClownInsipid

Loser Boy Insipid, please provide a quotation from anyone who said such a stupid thing.
The only thing I saw anyone post was that in 66 bills the Republicans couldn't do it, and now you expect bill number 67 to miraculously be any better?
What a loser boy you are. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

"So, the AssClown admits the Republicans will come up with a successful insurance plan that will cover everyone in a much better fashion than ObozoCare ever could."-LoserBoyAssClownInsipid

Loser Boy Insipid, please provide a quotation from anyone who said such a stupid thing.
The only thing I saw anyone post was that in 66 bills the Republicans couldn't do it, and now you expect bill number 67 to miraculously be any better?
What a loser boy you are. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats because the Dmns blocked it 66 times.. But thanks for admitting how ignorant you are Jizz. Now is the time for Republicans to prove they really care. And under the leadership of Trump I think its going to happen.

[Clownkicker]

namandgulfdimwit, then why don't they just roll out any one of those 66 bills and pass it today if they were better bills?
And why couldn't they manage to pass any one of them when they've had a whole month?

Think about that for the next two days or so and get back to us. :lol:

[Intrepid]

The AssClown admits that all the 66 bills put forward by the Republicans are better than ObozoCare.

[johnforbes]

Obamacare was quite different from insurance.

It was an intentional -- and intentionally dishonest -- way of transferring wealth away from successful people and giving it to people who were not.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lower costs, be deficit-neutral...it was all a pack of lies as Professor Gruber admitted.

[Clownkicker]

"Obamacare was quite different from insurance."-johnfibs

No it isn't, johnny. Insurance is the heart of the thing; that everyone is forced to buy insurance and that government subsidizes some insurance.
That's the very thing all you morons are bitching about. It's the very thing the Republicans are claiming they are going to repeal; the "individual mandate" to buy insurance.

Or are you one of those dimwits who believes the ACA is "government healthcare"? :lol:

By the way, the only "transfeer of wealth" is going to the insurance companies.
I don't know anyone who is getting any money from the ACA, and neither do you.

[tvd]

Oh so???

Well I know who is LOSING money due to ACA....taxpayers. The people. Citizens. Me. Us.

Nobody ever mentions the elephant in the room. The true cause of the rise in healthcare costs.

The insurance companies themselves. Somehow we have allowed the fat elephant insurance companies to insert themselves between us and our doctors. That elephant must be fed. A lot. So, HC costs rise. This has gradually happened over the last 35 years. Started in earnest in late 70s and early 80s, to my recollection.

[Clownkicker]

"Nobody ever mentions the elephant in the room. The true cause of the rise in healthcare costs.
The insurance companies themselves."-tvd

"By the way, the only "transfer of wealth" is going to the insurance companies."-me
^^^^^ I just mentioned them, again, same as I have been saying for years.

Congratulations, tvd, you see the fundamental problem with our current healthcare system which is that billions of dollars are transferred each year from patients to entities who do nothing to improve healthcare. They are called "middle men" who serve no useful purpose in healthcare.

We need to remove insurance companies from the healthcare equation. Profiting off people's illness is repugnant and immoral. (Just ask Jesus.)
Right away we will have billions more to put toward healthcare for everyone.

[tvd]

As much as I know you think you are the center of attention, and that anything posted here is directed at you, sorry, I hate to burst your bubble.

I should have been specific when I used the word "Nobody" in my post.

I was thinking of, and referring to, those idiots in DC that are trying to fix the problem.

[johnforbes]

Obamacare was quite different from just "insurance."

That's always the case when the government intrudes upon capitalism.

It was very dishonest for Roberts to pretend the indiv mandate was a tax when he knew very well it wasn't.

Trump has spoken often about lowering drug prices, so he knows the upward price spiral.

If Obama had not lied so much about Obamacare, and if there had been no IRS-monitored mandate, then it all might have worked.

[Clownkicker]

tvd, do you seriously think those in D.C. are "trying to fix the problem"?

They can and will only come up with a 'solution' that further enshrines insurance corporations into the medical system.
Insurance company lobbyists will see to it, since just about every Republican is beholden to insurance company money.
They did it with Obama and they will do it with Trump. The difference is, Obama went kicking and screaming while Trump will be cheering them on.

That's why no 'solution' they come up with can ever actually improve the healthcare system significantly.
It's not possible when your starting assumption is that you must first remove billions of dollars from the healthcare system before you ever deliver any healthcare.

No insurance company wants to cover the poor and the sick. It's simply bad business.
Unfortunately, the poor and the sick are the ones who need coverage the most.

[tvd]

Not sure how you come up with this being Republican's fault, especially when Obama was the one that came up with ACA, which pivots and would not exist without the insurance industry.
The insurance industry biggies are pulling out. ACA is failing, no doubt.

I am not against free healthcare for all. I actually like the idea.

Where I get serious ass burn tho, is when the government comes into the picture.
Keep government out. Period. Now how to do that?

G'ment will have to be in there some how, just (for my preferences) as little as possible involvement.

I would like to see some sort of tax rebate savings account to be used for healthcare only.

I don't have the solution. I hope those "working on the fix" will come up with something.

[johnforbes]

If Ivanka gets her way, she may turn out to be more of a friend to women than Chelsea/Hillary.

What about a tax credit instead of the Obamacare penalty?

Why not portable health care savings accounts, which could inject the marketplace?

What is the actual cost for a triple bypass? Nobody knows because there's no marketplace force placed on it.

[Clownkicker]

"Not sure how you come up with this being Republican's fault, especially when Obama was the one that came up with ACA,..."-tvd

Not accurate. Obama (and many Democrats) initially wanted a single payer option. (Hillary tried it back in the 90's. Republicans screamed bloody murder and shut it down. Because Republicans, not Democrats, are convinced the private sector does everything better)
Republicans like Romney in Massachusetts came up with the ACA-type program of private insurance for everyone. When Obama tried to get a single payer option, the insurance companies threatened to walk away from the talks. Obama knuckled under.

"I am not against free healthcare for all. I actually like the idea."-tvd

I assume you mean some sort of single payer system that taxpayers would pay into.
We all know there is no such thing as "free healthcare". Someone pays for it.
(Incidentally, let's ask the Republican Jesus what he thinks is right: "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."-Luke 12:48)

"Where I get serious ass burn tho, is when the government comes into the picture."-tvd

But that's the problem. No other entity can conceivably do the job of providing universal healthcare and "promote the general welfare".

"I would like to see some sort of tax rebate savings account to be used for healthcare only."-tvd

That's fine, but that would only provide a small portion of medical expenses for a small portion of Americans.
Nearly half of Americans pay no income tax because they don't make enough to pay any, so a "rebate" is meaningless.

But say income tax payers got a rebate of $2000 a year. That covers neither insurance for one person (certainly not for a family of four) nor hospital bills from a single illness. Even if you saved the rebate for 20 years before someone in your family got sick, $40,000 still wouldn't put a dent in a hospital stay of three days. And forget bypass surgery.
But the fact is, most families already pay more than $2000 a year for healthcare, one way or another, so there would never be that chunk of money sitting there when it's needed most.

15 years ago I went into the hospital over night (less than 24 hours) and walked out the next day with a bill of $38,000. I was always self insured since my state allowed that back then.
Now, with insurance, I suspect that if the same thing happened today, I would still come out with a bill for at least $10,000 after "insurance" paid its portion. This is still too much for the lower income half of the population.
The 50% of Americans who can't save anything from their income (and certainly can't afford insurance at private company rates) are not served by a rebate system or medical savings account. There is nothing to rebate. And we can't simply say that 50% of Americans won't be cared for.

[Intrepid]

Ten paragraphs of blather that nobody read. And that's just the last tantrum.
But thanks for wasting so much of your day.
It's clear you have nothing constructive or useful to do with your time.
Just like the Trump protesters or the BLM thugs.

[johnforbes]

It is true that, as Obama told Kucinich, Obamacare was not what Obama wanted. He was a full-on socialist and so he wanted single payer but had to settle for Obamacare.

For the Left -- we know this from the Fabians -- it was never about health care.

Health care merely provides the opening wedge for federal governmental control.

Although it is certainly true that, in an ideal world, there would be single payer, that sort of extrapolation from present models would mean vastly increased health care costs because there would still be no market pressures.

There as an Office of Price Administration in WW II and John Kenneth Galbraith was one person working there. If you had anything akin to single payer, you'd need federal price control or you'd seem pharma prices skyrocket.

The better way to inject market pressures would be by portable health care savings accounts.

[elklindo69]

If it was as bad as the conservatards said it was then they would have a replacement plan. Instead they played their bullshit politics over the past 8 years and voted to repeal Obamacare some 60 or more times. Now all of a sudden they are not attempting to repeal Obamacare? From what aI read their replacement plan will not be implemented until 2020???

Which essentially means they have no plan. Unless you consider deducting health insurance premiums...a plan.

What a joke...

[johnforbes]

If it plays out that way, it'll be because Obamacare is collapsing on its own.

It was a bad idea, as I said at the time, and it was made worse by ramming it through pursuant to a pack of lies as Professor Gruber revealed.