[redruggers]

I am very glad to see the site back up, HOWEVER:

We post on HomeClips because it is accessible only to members, not to the general public. No random person who hasn't paid to join a site with such explicit content should be able to just stumble upon it.

Please protect HomeClips with a log-on function as it was before. Otherwise we will have to require that you take down our submissions. This situation completely violates the understanding whereby we submitted them to the site.

PLEASE RECTIFY THIS SITUATION IMMEDIATELY!!

[FAQ]

I agree. There was always that understanding. It seems not everything is the same and not all change for the better.

Some folks were comfortable with showing their faces inside RC figuring if someone they knew spotted an image, both would realize both were members. There was no accidental stumbling into a RC image.

Now, your kids, employer, pastor, anyone can get a random link to see explicit images of you.

[MrsEchoRonin]

I just tried to post something similar to this on a different post. It said that a moderator would check it and it would be posted shortly. An hour later, no post...and other posts have been added.

I completely agree with you, though! People posting to RCs definitely thought they had a little bit of protection! This doesn't really show good faith to the contributors here.

[freegirl]

I agree, I posted pics in the members section which i would never have put in an open section open to all and sundry!

Also how will the BB work if the hardcore section is open to the public, all those posts will be up for grabs too!

[nikki2012]

Yes! Ditto to what Rugrollers said!! You're going to have a hard time getting contributers if you let just anyone who stumbles onto the site see everything! I know I sure as heck won't want to contribute if this is the way it's going to be. Please, put up the pay/login page!
Moreover, if you do not put up the pay/login page, I will request that my clips be removed from the site permanently. The videos should be for paying members only!

[trinityxxx]

I am a contributor as well and this worries me as well. Some of us post in RC because only PAID members have access to see us.....not just any lurker browsing the net.
I hope the VW crew re-considers the free access to these paid sites....cause it if doesn't change I am confident many ladies will refrain from posting there. Please protect the paid sites.

[chancelot]

I agree. There was always that understanding. It seems not everything is the same and not all change for the better.

Some folks were comfortable with showing their faces inside RC figuring if someone they knew spotted an image, both would realize both were members. There was no accidental stumbling into a RC image.

Now, your kids, employer, pastor, anyone can get a random link to see explicit images of you.

Which means nothing has changed. WHY can't you people understand that ANYTHING you post to the INTERNET is out there for the taking? There is not now, never was, and probably never WILL be a way to stop that from happening. Shitheads abound, and there is nothing stopping them from paying to see the content you upload here or to ANY other pay website, stealing it, and reselling it to other sites at a profit. And it's YOUR job to go find it if it happens. It's not the job of the website you originally uploaded it to. Then, good luck having your stuff removed from all the websites around the WORLD it got sold to even IF you have the knowhow to find them all. For HEAVEN'S sake people ... If it matters to you who can see what you've uploaded ... DON'T upload it.

[cutiepi]

No offense meant here redruggers but if you put yourself on the internet having sex you have made yourself vulnerable not VW.

To think that just because someone pays for an RC Membership that makes you safe is.. well ridiculous and naive.

You put yourself at risk the minute you uploaded that first video or contri.

[Rigan]

But it does mean that the money we paid for exclusive images/videos is now pointless!

[chancelot]

But it does mean that the money we paid for exclusive images/videos is now pointless!

It always HAS been.

[redruggers]

No offense meant here redruggers but if you put yourself on the internet having sex you have made yourself vulnerable not VW.

To think that just because someone pays for an RC Membership that makes you safe is.. well ridiculous and naive.

You put yourself at risk the minute you uploaded that first video or contri.

No offense taken, but I disagree. I don't expect total safety, just relative protection. There is a big difference between taking a calculated risk of posting in a members' only area and putting something straight into the public domain where our teenagers could easily access it. We know there's risk, but life is full of risks so you have to balance them. We knew how VW/HC was structured and we therefore deemed it safe enough to post there. Yes, things can be stolen and republished, etc., and we know that happens and have chased down infringements. But that is small scale and unlikely to cause us problems.

This question has been debated ad nauseam on the boards before. I can explain it more fully if you like, but if you don't want too see the difference or understand a different perspective (as "ridiculous and naive" suggests), there's nothing I can do to convince you. If only out of solidarity with those contributors who feel this way (and I have already heard from several who do), though, it would be nice if you would join with us to try to rectify it instead of casting aspersions.

Also, do you see no problem with setting no obstacles to access to hardcore material by minors? I think it is even illegal.

[chancelot]

If it's on the Internet ... It's NOT exclusive to any particular site so long as thieves exist. What is it for some 'pirate' to pay 20 bucks a month for "exclusive content" from ANY site when he knows he can download 30 days worth and sell it all over the WORLD for 10, 20, maybe even 100 times what he paid for his 1 month subscription? Does this not occur to anyone other than me?

[chancelot]

Also, do you see no problem with setting no obstacles to access to hardcore material by minors? I think it is even illegal.

The responsibility of securing a computer so as "HC" is not available to minors falls on the parent(s) There is a lot of free software out there that will enable you to do just exactly that simply by entering restricted domain names. If a minor can access porn on your machine, it's YOUR fault. Not the website's.

[chancelot]

No offense meant here redruggers but if you put yourself on the internet having sex you have made yourself vulnerable not VW.

To think that just because someone pays for an RC Membership that makes you safe is.. well ridiculous and naive.

You put yourself at risk the minute you uploaded that first video or contri.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS!

[sourdoh]

I believe that in many locations, failure to at least make the "are you 18 or over?" question a requirement to view explicit material such as the RC and Homeclips stuff is a violation of the law and could have serious legal implications for VW. Please VW, fix this. Better to not have explicit things for a little longer than to risk all that has been described in this thread.

[chancelot]

I believe that in many locations, failure to at least make the "are you 18 or over?" question a requirement to view explicit material such as the RC and Homeclips stuff is a violation of the law and could have serious legal implications for VW. Please VW, fix this. Better to not have explicit things for a little longer than to risk all that has been described in this thread.

Yeah. Because every curious 12-16 year-old male in the world won't click 'YES" to that question. :lol:

[BobToolong]

Yeah. Because every curious 12-16 year-old male in the world won't click 'YES" to that question.

That maybe but the lawyers have reason for
The do not enter unless you are 18.

[sourdoh]

Of course it doesn't WORK chancelot, it's just one of those silly legal niceties that demonstrates intent. And keeps people out of jail. A good deal less successful than checking IDs before selling alcohol -- which also won't keep the enterprising underage person from using a fake ID.

[chancelot]

Allow me to clarify. This is not a KNOCK on VW. It's just that there is absolutely NOTHING VW (or ANY OTHER SITE) can do to prevent unscrupulous people from paying for an RC (or whatever) membership, stealing all the stuff you post, and selling it to other sites that post adult content.

The POINT IS .... Don't post personally identifying (faces, house interior, etc) stuff ANYWHERE (not just VW) on the INTERNET if you're afraid somebody you know may see and cause you embarrassment .... Because you NEVER KNOW where ELSE it might turn-up.

[chancelot]

Of course it doesn't WORK chancelot, it's just one of those silly legal niceties that demonstrates intent. And keeps people out of jail. A good deal less successful than checking IDs before selling alcohol -- which also won't keep the enterprising underage person from using a fake ID.

If you knew it doesn't work ... why did you suggest it in the first place?

[BobToolong]

If you have to pay it would likely keep your kids, employer, pastor from seeing you.

[redruggers]

Of course it doesn't WORK chancelot, it's just one of those silly legal niceties that demonstrates intent. And keeps people out of jail. A good deal less successful than checking IDs before selling alcohol -- which also won't keep the enterprising underage person from using a fake ID.

Thanks for your support, sourdoh.

Chancelot has demonstrated his utter inability (or refusal) to draw or comprehend any of these moral distinctions whatsoever at laborious length in earlier discussions. It's no use arguing with him.

Let's maybe stick with the practicality that many contributors to the member sections did expect this measure of privacy -- whatever chancelot and others may sneeringly think of it (being so superior to all of us in having never risked posting anything) -- and will be flooding the site with takedown emails when they hear of this. We will have 35 or so ourselves. They need to understand that it is in their self-interest to fix this.

[sourdoh]

chancealot Good advice. Hard to believe anyone who posts doesn't already know that once out there, these images have a life of their own, running wild and free on the intertubes. But I do understand why people feel betrayed when the site they have chosen for their images, throws the doors open when they had promised they would do that one small thing -- that is a personal promise broken, separate from the wild and wooly nature of the net.

[freegirl]

Chancelot
You describe those who post the pictures without authority as theives. In doing so you make clear that you believe their behaviour to be criminal. If it is criminal behaviour for an individual to do such a thing then how can it be different when that behaviour is carried out on a larger scale by a company?

[sourdoh]

If you knew it doesn't work ... why did you suggest it in the first place?

Did you miss the part about "intent" and "keeping out of jail?" Read the disclaimer at the bottom of the VW landing page...at one time they knew the possible legal exposure.

[Leadfingers]

The issue regarding exposing paid sites to anonymous viewers has nothing to do with with the anonymous viewers. It has to do with a contract (explicit or implied) between a model and the website, and one thing that contract is based on is the trust that the website will make due diligence to protect the private information that has been entrusted to it.

Voyeurweb has just violated that trust.

Your repeated assertions that once something is on the web that it's basically free for the taking means one of two things. Either you're a complete idiot who has no idea how trust, or a contract works, or you're a complete troll who gets it, but doesn't care because it's "just porn". I suspect it's both.

By your logic, women who get raped in short skirts deserve it, the Patriot Act is fine because if you're not doing anything illegal you shouldn't care, and, and, and

You disgust me.

[sourdoh]

redruggers, I've never contributed here, but I've got my share of images from elsewhere that have scattered to the winds. At least I was not betrayed by a site owner, and I think I understand and empathize with the distinction you make between breaking a (contractual?) promise, and the nature of copied material getting loose.

And leadfingers, I think we largely agree on this.

[sourdoh]

To clarify one point, I began in this thread trying to point out that VW might be exposing themselves (No pun intended) to legal action simply based on my imperfect understanding of some versions of obscenity laws regarding minors. I understand the related issue contributors have with the promise of a modicum of security made by VW, being so clearly broken now. This should be a simple thing for them to fix, and there is no excuse for their failure to do so. Some of my posts (and the order in which other persons' posts appeared) may have ended up muddying those two arguments, so I wanted to be clear where I stood.

[chancelot]

Of course it doesn't WORK chancelot, it's just one of those silly legal niceties that demonstrates intent. And keeps people out of jail. A good deal less successful than checking IDs before selling alcohol -- which also won't keep the enterprising underage person from using a fake ID.

Thanks for your support, sourdoh.

Chancelot has demonstrated his utter inability (or refusal) to draw or comprehend any of these moral distinctions whatsoever at laborious length in earlier discussions. It's no use arguing with him.

Let's maybe stick with the practicality that many contributors to the member sections did expect this measure of privacy -- whatever chancelot and others may sneeringly think of it (being so superior to all of us in having never risked posting anything) -- and will be flooding the site with takedown emails when they hear of this. We will have 35 or so ourselves. They need to understand that it is in their self-interest to fix this.

You're looking for "morality" on a porn site? Good luck with that. Look. Everything I wrote was nothing personal. I'm sorry, and I apologize if you took it that way. I merely stated facts. And if you're cool with everything you post going God-knows-where around the Internet, more power to you. All I said (and EVER) tried to say, is that just because you PAY to upload your personal content to the Internet, you should NOT expect that content to remain (ONLY) on the site you posted it to. That's all. Nothing against you, Nothing against VW, nothing against ANYONE or any OTHER sites. Just a statement of fact is all it was.

[redruggers]

redruggers, I've never contributed here, but I've got my share of images from elsewhere that have scattered to the winds. At least I was not betrayed by a site owner, and I think I understand and empathize with the distinction you make between breaking a (contractual?) promise, and the nature of copied material getting loose.

Most people seem to get it.

But what do we do about it?

Pressure is all I can think of, but there are so few on this board anymore, and even fewer contributors who are directly affected. Please write to VW directly if you find this outrageous -- either on behalf of breaking trust with contributors or access for minors. I've written to Katherine (vwadmin), ghost and one other I have an address for. Does anyone have other addresses?

One response so far, from ghost, as follows (I kid you not):

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Billing <billing@redclouds.com> wrote:

Dear members

Our sites are now up in the early Beta version with lots more to be done. We have opened them all for now with no username or password required.

When we get further forward in this Beta version you will get information regarding your account for access.

Thanks,

The Voyeurweb Team

Oh, and don't feed the troll(s) on this thread.

[chancelot]

To clarify one point, I began in this thread trying to point out that VW might be exposing themselves (No pun intended) to legal action simply based on my imperfect understanding of some versions of obscenity laws regarding minors. I understand the related issue contributors have with the promise of a modicum of security made by VW, being so clearly broken now. This should be a simple thing for them to fix, and there is no excuse for their failure to do so.

Fair enough. But laws vary in the US from State to State (unless they are federally mandated) and from Country to Country for the rest of the world. What might be unlawful in your corner of the world, may be perfectly legal in someone elses.

Yes, this thread has gone way off-topic, but I'll still stand by everything I said from uploading content to securing one's computer. That's all on the individual. Now, here in the US I'm aware that individual responsibility is all but out the window these days ... but I still believe in it.

[chancelot]

redruggers, I've never contributed here, but I've got my share of images from elsewhere that have scattered to the winds. At least I was not betrayed by a site owner, and I think I understand and empathize with the distinction you make between breaking a (contractual?) promise, and the nature of copied material getting loose.

Most people seem to get it.

But what do we do about it?

Pressure is all I can think of, but there are so few on this board anymore, and even fewer contributors who are directly affected. Please write to VW directly if you find this outrageous -- either on behalf of breaking trust with contributors or access for minors. I've written to Katherine (vwadmin), ghost and one other I have an address for. Does anyone have other addresses?

One response so far, from ghost, as follows (I kid you not):

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Billing <billing@redclouds.com> wrote:

Dear members

Our sites are now up in the early Beta version with lots more to be done. We have opened them all for now with no username or password required.

When we get further forward in this Beta version you will get information regarding your account for access.

Thanks,

The Voyeurweb Team

Oh, and don't feed the troll(s) on this thread.

Who's trolling? All I see is decent back and forth and differences of opinion?

[redruggers]

(Violating my own admonition) -- Chancelot, can I ask that you please let those of us for whom this really matters keep this thread on topic. Feel free to start a new one about individual versus corporate responsibility or whatever political issue you're interested in.

Meanwhile, thanks to those several (e.g., MrsEchoandRonin) who have said they're trying to post in support of this issue on the BB but their posts aren't being approved. Please note that I have made this issue part of my signature.

So, again:

Most people seem to get it.

But what can we do about it?

Pressure is all I can think of, but there are so few on this board anymore, and even fewer contributors who are directly affected. Please write to VW directly if you find this outrageous -- either with regard to breaking trust with contributors (and leading them to demand take downs) or unobstructed access for minors, or both.

I've written to Katherine (vwadmin@voyeurweb.com), ghost (ghost@voyeurweb.com) and one other I have a private address for. Does anyone have other addresses? Anybody reading this know a way to get through to JA himself in case he wasn't directly involved in this decision or doesn't really understand it?

And please don't leave me the only one continuing to make noise about it on the boards, or they will just ignore it.

[chancelot]

chancealot Good advice. Hard to believe anyone who posts doesn't already know that once out there, these images have a life of their own, running wild and free on the intertubes. But I do understand why people feel betrayed when the site they have chosen for their images, throws the doors open when they had promised they would do that one small thing -- that is a personal promise broken, separate from the wild and wooly nature of the net.

But the thing is ... If you posted anything here, or to (AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH!) ANY OTHER ADULT CONTENT WEBSITE, and expected it to stay where it was, then well ... maybe you need a class or two on how the Internet works. :?

[chancelot]

(Violating my own admonition) -- Chancelot, can I ask that you please let those of us for whom this really matters keep this thread on topic. Feel free to start a new one about individual versus corporate responsibility or whatever political issue you're interested in.

Meanwhile, thanks to those several (e.g., MrsEchoandRonin) who have said they're trying to post in support of this issue on the BB but their posts aren't being approved. Please note that I have made this issue part of my signature.

So, again:

Most people seem to get it.

But what can we do about it?

Pressure is all I can think of, but there are so few on this board anymore, and even fewer contributors who are directly affected. Please write to VW directly if you find this outrageous -- either with regard to breaking trust with contributors (and leading them to demand take downs) or unobstructed access for minors, or both.

I've written to Katherine (vwadmin@voyeurweb.com), ghost (ghost@voyeurweb.com) and one other I have a private address for. Does anyone have other addresses? Anybody reading this know a way to get through to JA himself in case he wasn't directly involved in this decision or doesn't really understand it?

And please don't leave me the only one continuing to make noise about it on the boards, or they will just ignore it.

I have no control over anything here. In fact, I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet. Although? I have had a few of my posts deleted over the past month. The only thing I would recommend for you is to lose that font color. Your blue, is even harder to read then red on black. Change it back to white if you want folks to read what you write. Just sayin'

[redruggers]

Okay, thanks for style tip, Chancelot -- I hate the red/black so I read the board in blue/silver -- much easier on the eyes.

But I can't seem to get access to editing my own posts, so, once again:

Most people seem to get it.

But what can we do about it?

Pressure is all I can think of, but there are so few on this board anymore, and even fewer contributors who are directly affected. Please write to VW directly if you find this outrageous -- either with regard to breaking trust with contributors (and leading them to demand take downs) or unobstructed access for minors, or both.

I've written to Katherine (vwadmin@voyeurweb.com), ghost (ghost@voyeurweb.com) and one other I have a private address for. Does anyone have other addresses? Anybody reading this know a way to get through to JA himself in case he wasn't directly involved in this decision or doesn't really understand it?

And please don't leave me the only one continuing to make noise about it on the boards, or they will just ignore it.

[chancelot]

The issue regarding exposing paid sites to anonymous viewers has nothing to do with with the anonymous viewers. It has to do with a contract (explicit or implied) between a model and the website, and one thing that contract is based on is the trust that the website will make due diligence to protect the private information that has been entrusted to it.

Voyeurweb has just violated that trust.

Are you stupid, or simply ignorant? How can voyeurweb (or any other site) protect you from nefarious individuals who pay for a membership, download every post, and sell it to other sites? Not saying VW does that. What I'm saying is that ANYONE can do it, even YOU. Well, probably not you.

Your repeated assertions that once something is on the web that it's basically free for the taking means one of two things. Either you're a complete idiot who has no idea how trust, or a contract works, or you're a complete troll who gets it, but doesn't care because it's "just porn". I suspect it's both.

My repeated assertions are true. BTW? Who is "your"? Are you trying to reply to me? I think you are but I can't be sure because you failed to quote anything you responded to. Can you even figure out how to quote on this BB? Probably not. (Goes back to you being either stupid, ignorant, or both)

By your logic, women who get raped in short skirts deserve it, the Patriot Act is fine because if you're not doing anything illegal you shouldn't care, and, and, and

You disgust me.

What would you know about logic? And speaking of disgusting ... Where the hell did that rape fantasy of yours come from?

[sjkader]

As we speak Bots are grabbing and indexing every photo on the site. It will be too late by the time they decide to close the hardcore areas, hey but traffic will be up! lmao

[sourdoh]

Yeah, that is just hilarious sjkader. Like laughing at you when you get mugged.

[cerebio]

Opening a closed community up to the public at large is never ethical. Regardless of the type of site (porn, religious, political, I don't give a hoot). But this site already showed it has no ethics by lying repeatedly on a number of subjects.

Opening a closed community up to the public at large is possibly illegal, probably illegal for a commercial site and certainly illegal when it exposes hardcore porn to possible minors. Again, I don't care if laws make any sense (they usually don't).

Opening a closed community up to the public at large violates the trust of contributors.

The fact that contributors are responsible for their own content and take risks when exposing it on the internet or the fact that parents are responsible for controlling their kids internet behaviour does not mean that there are no responsibilities left to others, such as this site.

So regardless of the responsibilities of others (parents, the contributors themselves, etc.), this site is clearly making enormous mistakes that will have repercussions.

I doubt they care. I doubt the public at large cares. I doubt it will make a dent in anyone's memory in a few months, except of those who were wronged.

[chancelot]

Okay, thanks for style tip, Chancelot -- I hate the red/black so I read the board in blue/silver -- much easier on the eyes.

But I can't seem to get access to editing my own posts, so, once again:

Most people seem to get it.

But what can we do about it?

Pressure is all I can think of, but there are so few on this board anymore, and even fewer contributors who are directly affected. Please write to VW directly if you find this outrageous -- either with regard to breaking trust with contributors (and leading them to demand take downs) or unobstructed access for minors, or both.

I've written to Katherine (vwadmin@voyeurweb.com), ghost (ghost@voyeurweb.com) and one other I have a private address for. Does anyone have other addresses? Anybody reading this know a way to get through to JA himself in case he wasn't directly involved in this decision or doesn't really understand it?

And please don't leave me the only one continuing to make noise about it on the boards, or they will just ignore it.

As I've said many times before .... I've got no horse in the race. I'm just some guy who enjoyed what the (free) voyeurweb was, and I just "call stuff like I see stuff" on this board whether I'm right or wrong. Having said that? Have you seen the new VW page? Less than half the links work, people were assured by "Katherine' that VW would be coming back without MFF, yet there it is. Meanwhile it was supposed to be "out of this world" (it's looks damn near the same to me), there is no "Katherine's Corner", and the "tit-flash" section is missing.

Granted. People (including me) were clamoring for them to get SOMETHING up (and they did) but unless this is just a template for the brand new "out of this world" site, "Katerine (without a corner) proclaimed it would be ... There's nothing different about it. Yet.

Not that that's a bad thing. Excepting the fact that 'Katherine' lied about pretty-much everything if this will remain the template.

[chancelot]

Yeah, that is just hilarious sjkader. Like laughing at you when you get mugged.

You upload yer stuff to the 'Net, ya takes yer chances. That's the REALITY of the Internet. There is NO TRUST. LEARN it. LIVE it. :-) You want trust? Learn how to (and teach the people you trade with to) encrypt files and send them back and forth via email.

Those pics and vids will be useless to anyone who doesn't have the key.

Bonus? You can create different keys for everything you send privately, and if you see them show up anywhere publicly ... You know EXACTLY who's responsible .

[Leadfingers]

As we speak Bots are grabbing and indexing every photo on the site. It will be too late by the time they decide to close the hardcore areas, hey but traffic will be up! lmao

That's ok, Sjkader...according to Chancelot, no one has any right to complain because they put their stuff on the internet, so they pretty much deserve to have it get out. So really it's kind of everyone else's fault, not VW's

/sarcasm

[sjkader]

I understand completely the risk of posting anything on the net, but what does this really say about VW. How many are now going to trust them after this. I wont say who i think is at blame for any of this in the first place. I have my opinions about that and will keep it to myself. In regards to opening the hardcore sections to the public, I feel its a bad move. Who is to say when numbers are down in the future they wont do it again to boost traffic. "give you a taste and you may buy" Hard to put trust into a site willing to make it easier to steal pictures posted by members. Yes I know its easy either way, but at least before they had to pay to steal them. Also VW was really good at helping members get their stolen pics removed from other sites.
Now we know why so many (including myself) would watermark over the important parts of the photo.
Its a damn shame.

[chancelot]

As we speak Bots are grabbing and indexing every photo on the site. It will be too late by the time they decide to close the hardcore areas, hey but traffic will be up! lmao

That's ok, Sjkader...according to Chancelot, no one has any right to complain because they put their stuff on the internet, so they pretty much deserve to have it get out. So really it's kind of everyone else's fault, not VW's

/sarcasm

No sarcasm needed when the truth is in play. I'm sorry you can't understand that any shithead who cares to could pay for a membership to any pay-site on the net, download all the content, and sell it to sites hosted in (for example) Ukraine who will re-sell it all over the place leaving you with no recourse to EVER fully recover your content. DO you really think everything that gets posted to VW, or VC is ALL submitted directly from the original posters? If so, There's this bridge in Brooklyn NY, I've listed for sale that I'd like you to take a look at. It's only 20 bucks/month for the rest of your life.

[chancelot]

I understand completely the risk of posting anything on the net, but what does this really say about VW. How many are now going to trust them after this. I wont say who i think is at blame for any of this in the first place. I have my opinions about that and will keep it to myself. In regards to opening the hardcore sections to the public, I feel its a bad move. Who is to say when numbers are down in the future they wont do it again to boost traffic. "give you a taste and you may buy" Hard to put trust into a site willing to make it easier to steal pictures posted by members. Yes I know its easy either way, but at least before they had to pay to steal them. Also VW was really good at helping members get their stolen pics removed from other sites.
Now we know why so many (including myself) would watermark over the important parts of the photo.
Its a damn shame.

Do you know how fast professional software can remove/replace a watermark/brand from a pic or a video? If not, go on over to VC and take a look. Not saying it's right. Just saying it's easily done

[sourdoh]

redruggers, I'm very sorry if I mistakenly abetted this thread going off on a tangent. At least you've gotten a lot of discussion of the subject out there so that it will be much less possible for the administration to sweep it away and pretend nothing is wrong. I fully support you and the other contributors in your fight. I'll keep following your posts to see if there is any other action you need me to take.

[redruggers]

Chancelot, could you have a little respect for people trying to deal with a very bad situation, instead of diverting the topic continually?

VW Admin,

You have made public a massive amount of material that contributors posted on the assumption that it would be kept within a closed membership area. We and many others object to this in the strongest possible terms. That material is now subject to mass theft and duplication. It is also freely available to minors, without the slightest barrier to entry.

I have been trying to get a response from you on this extremely urgent issue all day. Are you all asleep?!

PLEASE RECTIFY THIS SITUATION BY CLOSING THE MEMBER SECTIONS IMMEDIATELY!!

[sjkader]

I understand completely the risk of posting anything on the net, but what does this really say about VW. How many are now going to trust them after this. I wont say who i think is at blame for any of this in the first place. I have my opinions about that and will keep it to myself. In regards to opening the hardcore sections to the public, I feel its a bad move. Who is to say when numbers are down in the future they wont do it again to boost traffic. "give you a taste and you may buy" Hard to put trust into a site willing to make it easier to steal pictures posted by members. Yes I know its easy either way, but at least before they had to pay to steal them. Also VW was really good at helping members get their stolen pics removed from other sites.
Now we know why so many (including myself) would watermark over the important parts of the photo.
Its a damn shame.

Do you know how fast professional software can remove/replace a watermark/brand from a pic or a video? If not, go on over to VC and take a look. Not saying it's right. Just saying it's easily done

Yes I do understand how easy it can be done if someone really wants to do it. Just as easy as it was in the old days for the developer to make a copy of your film when developing it. Its just a matter of how bad they want it. I feel most felt better knowing we HAD a site that would help us in any way they could to get said items removed. I think we are all aware of how easy it is to steal from any site. That does not make it right to open the "flood gates" to make it that much easier. No offense ment towards anyone.

[Leadfingers]

Chancelot, could you have a little respect for people trying to deal with a very bad situation, instead of diverting the topic continually?

No, he can't.