[TheGeneral]

I'll declare my hand up front since right now nobody here really knows who anyone else really is. My name is David. I'm not involved in the site. I'm not a regular poster. I'm not even a paying member. I'm just - like 99.99% of the others who visited the VoyeurWeb - another regular joe who clicked on that little "VoyeurWeb" link in my bookmarks once every day or so. It's been part of my web life for longer than I can remember. Just one of those things that became reflex. While everything else changed around it, the VoyeurWeb stood static as a beacon of comfort. Sure it has evolved, like many of us who started clicking that link as young singles and who now have a spouse and children of our own, but fundamentally it was always the same. The welcome page, the familiar links down the left hand side of the page, and the idea that it was all the creation of a man called Igor.

A few days ago that naive perception changed forever. Suddenly we were all asked is Igor the cowboy in the white hat or the evil villain in the black hat? We were challenged with questions we never even considered. Questions like who actually does own the site? Who owns the content? Who owns the server that the content runs on? More importantly for some who has been pocketing the money that they have been paying. Suddenly its not a cute little homespun site anymore. It's not the hobby of a chap named Igor, it's a business, a series of domain names, a clash of visions, a clash of mysterious figures we know little or nothing about, and a battle over the ownership of what we once thought was ours.

You see that is what it comes down to. We didn't think Igor owned the ship we thought he steered it. It looks like we were wrong. We didn't think of VoyeurWeb as a possession, or a series of linked possessions which were owned by companies and which had value as a commercial enterprise. We, rather naively, believed that VoyeurWeb was owned by its contributors, it's viewers. Rightly or wrongly we all felt it belonged to us.

So what now? Which side to join? Who is telling the truth? Who owns what and legally who really owns all those pictures that have been posted over the years? Are they all simply a business asset? Are two sides fighting for possession of images that were gifted to them by people who thought they were giving to a site they loved and owned, not merely a business who would profit from and fight over them. It can only get nastier and, if the assets fall across both sides, neither will be left with a viable business model in the short term. Can you imagine if Igor owns the servers but the company which now is VoyeurWeb owns the content on them? Neither can use what they have. If VC reposts the pictures it has then it is breaking the copyright given to VoyeurWeb, but how can VoyeurWeb set up and make money if the content is lost to them in a country where they cannot reclaim it? Content which could be deleted by one malicious click of a button and sent to a computer graveyard far beyond any sort of legal recovery. How could they charge for a pay section with no content to begin with? And how could they make the VoyeurWeb section free if they have no income from that paid content? Will we see the emergence of advertising all over the site? Will we see complex legal battles? And does anyone actually know where the money went? Think about it. Both sides are using freebie bulletin board software! One side is using gmail as its official email address - are these the acts of people who have access to all the money generated by the old websites? Surely whoever had that money would have got a website back by now. If you had that sort of resource couldn't you do better than a free bulletin board hobbled together in a few hours and a free email address from google? No - there has to be more to this that meets the eye. It's likely that both sides are struggling. If any of them had the financial muscle then they would have done a lot more legally by now, and more importantly they would have been able to pay programmers and coders to return the site to a vaguely usable condition. It's almost like both sides have no money to quickly establish a new site with workable features, or to legally prevent the other making false claims. After all some of the things claimed by both sides so far have been little short of ludicrous legally, not to mention most fail the "common sense" test. How could that happen to people who owned one of the internet's most visited and valuable domain names? Who actually has the money that the site must have raised over the years?

The sad truth is that the old VoyeurWeb is dead. It might be replaced here in name. It might be replaced at VC in content and Igor, but it'll never be what it was. It will now always be on the minds of those who post and contribute that they are merely transferring an asset they own to a company they know nothing about. No more friendly staff. No more cheery Igor. No more the homespun site we all helped create and we all in some small way "own". All that is left are two sets of people fighting over assets, and we are simply part of those assets.

Who owns the servers?
Who owns the content?
Who owns the domains?

None of it matters. Right now both sides are competing for the most valuable asset of all.

Who owns YOU and ME?

From now on that is all I will think of when I make my decision on where to go. Wherever we all end up, the VoyeurWeb that we loved has gone to Internet heaven.

R.I.P VoyeurWeb - I'll miss you old friend

[DarknLadyJedi]

I disagree with most of your points.

As to who is telling the truth, who cares. We know some certain facts.
Someone hacked the VW website family on a Saturday, someone transferred large numbers of raw images and the membership database to another website, and someone set it up so that members of the VW websites would be redirected to another website.
That other site has been around for 6 months, they claim that Igor approached them, brought code from the VW sites, and that members willingly went there. They also claim that they can legally use any image sent to the VW sites because of their interpretation of the Terms & Conditions of the VW sites.


On Saturday this caught VW by complete surprise. It could take several days for them to get software set up to return the old system. They need to make sure all the registries are intact and correct, they need to make sure any back doors that might have been put in preparing for this are removed, they need to make sure that content is safe. At this point they have admitted they don't know how much was lost or from where.
The attack that was done to VW was not a typical hacker job, it was a well thought out malicious strike from within by someone who had access to all the passwords and commands. It would be the same thing in a regular company to the General Manager deciding at least 6 months in advance that he was going to burn the jobsite down and preparing for the arson by putting sealed containers of gas all over the building in nooks and crannies.

It will take time to check everything, it will take time to get everything back up. But they are doing their best, and they are going to extend everyone's paid memberships by however long they are down.


And, unlike VC, they didn't steal from us, the contributors and members.

[Timekeeper]

I just can't believe this is happening.

[Sumfun]

Totally agree with Jedi.

[Stacy69]

VW needs a new person/face/spokesperson/ambassador - a representative with a real name. It's too cold, sterile, and impersonal corresponding with an "admin".

Who are the parties behind VW/RC now?

It does seem strange for VW to use a gmail account. Even without the VW/RC domains intact, one would think there was some other official company website or setup behind the network that would be used.

Is Igor the only VW staff member that defected? Although a question better addressed to the other site, nobody there has made it clear who "Simon" or the other individuals purportedly involved came from. Employees or volunteers.

How much of VW was Igor's vision? If he was merely a face or spokesperson, surely VW/RC will be back and in great shape as it once was since it was the vision of Igor's employers rather than Igor who made it what it was. Heck, since Igor was just a persona, Igor could be reincarnated right back into VW.

It's undeniable that some of the magic of VW is now lost forever due to this fallout, however I think VW's ultimate resurrection will be a welcome compromise and will continue on as a great site for many more years.

[rugrollers]

Right on, Jedis.

Please, if VW needs a persona, make it a different sort from Igor.

Mostly, I think we need greater transparency. Give us some idea who really owns the sites, how Igor could have gotten away with this, who the team consists of, be real people instead of one "Igor" and a bunch of faceless admins (or masquerade Cams and Faqs). It will require more skillful customer management and communication skills, but it is what will bring you back the trust.

So far, so good. You are being a lot straighter with us than I ever felt was the case under "Igor" -- and certainly than the new Igor site is being. But don't fall back into those old habits, be they Igor's or more general ones to the company culture.

And try to keep in mind that we contributors are the ones who are generating your content for free.

[MDP]

You believe that bullshit? This website got hacked period and if you are a paying member you better be watching your credit card bill. What company threatens a customer if they go to that other web site they can be prosecuted? Really what country is that from it sure as hell isn't the USA. Why the fuck you telling me I can't go elsewhere when I PAID to be on your fucking web site????????

They got whacked and don't want to face the music. However they had us sign up on a secured web site with personal information. You think your explicit pictures are worth more than 10 cents? It's your credit card info to get further into stealing your Identity.

So wake the fuck up with all this Im loyal to Voyerweb horseshit.

[vwAdmin]

You believe that bullshit? This website got hacked period and if you are a paying member you better be watching your credit card bill. What company threatens a customer if they go to that other web site they can be prosecuted? Really what country is that from it sure as hell isn't the USA. Why the fuck you telling me I can't go elsewhere when I PAID to be on your fucking web site????????

They got whacked and don't want to face the music. However they had us sign up on a secured web site with personal information. You think your explicit pictures are worth more than 10 cents? It's your credit card info to get further into stealing your Identity.

So wake the fuck up with all this Im loyal to Voyerweb horseshit.

1. We were the first to admit we got hacked, the fact that it was internal makes no difference.
2. We never threatened the user base with prosecution, we simply cautioned users against joining a site that would be prosecuted and ultimately shutdown. Big difference.

and finally, there have been several posts about Credit card and identity security and all have been answered. I would invite you to utilize the search feature on the BB and see for yourself.

vwAdmin :ugeek:

[VWPublicRelations]

I hope that R.I.P Voyeurweb will read the VW Official Statement.

VW has not gone into the Internet Heaven.

And there is no dispute about the ownership of VW or the ownership of its copyrighted materials.

The situation here is analogous to someone coming into your house, and claiming that the children that you have are his, the furniture that you bought is his-- just because someone claims these things, it does not mean that it is true.

There is no fight over anything with *****, formerly known as Igor on VW. There is only one way for ***** and that is civil and criminal prosecution. There is no fight, no countersuits, no contest-- he is a criminal and VW will bring him to justice.

As Members and Contributors of VW, we move on. Nothing will be differnt about VW-- other than this one moment, we will remember as a small dot, just a speck, on the map of the ever changing world around us, as something that was able to rear its ugly head only in passing. It will not stay with us. Voyeurweb will live on because Voyeurweb is you, all of you, and as long as all of you are there, Voyeurweb will be there.

[geetee]

Igor is like lassi
they just replaced her every so often

[BigFan]

...if you are a paying member you better be watching your credit card bill....

Quoted for emphasis

...It's your credit card info to get further into stealing your Identity.

Or just 'banging' your credit card for a couple hundred bucks.

[augustwest]

LOL @ geetee! Could say the same about Rin Tin Tin!

I'm content to hang out and wait to see how this site comes together. I've been on VW since the mid 90's and RC since it was free but the link was hidden. I waited three months once it became a pay site before joining, simply to see whether it would make it through the infant stage. In fact, I HAD to take a year off from RC at one point because I was spending too much time there and it was affecting my work, LOL. I was Augustwest on VW but I had a different nic on RC at first.

It has been a great community with natural ebbs and flows. Lots of nice people that you'd like to have a beer and spend some time shooting the breeze. I've met several members IRL, from both RC and VW. There is something about getting naked that brings out the best in people.

All good things in all good time!

August

[Ghost]

once its all done with and ready for VW to come back online.
the truth will come out frankly and as honest as it can be.
just bare in mind that Igor has caused severe damages to the system and sabotaged VW and most of all the piracy part of highjacking it... at least trying to.
he may have highjacked the DB and content but it all remains to be seen.
but what goes around comes around ...
Igor insulted lots of peoples intelligence thinking like the midgit that he is ... smarter then all us and you our viewers most of all.
sometimes midgits like that stumble over their egos.
guess what igor ...! the Ghost will not be there this time to hold your hand and help cure your sick devious mind.
time my freind .... Time..!!!!

[fignocchio]

First,

If VW is not threatening criminal prosecution to users of VC, it should so state on the homepage. Just like a previous poster, my first read through left me with the impression that VW was in fact threatening me with criminal prosecution. While a careful re-read lends itself to VWadmin's interpretation, I didn't get that interpretation. And I have a legal education.

Second,

To say the least, I am skeptical of what Ms. Lucas is saying. If ***** violated copyright law, as you say, in what country will he be prosecuted? In what country will he be sued for his copyright infringement? In what country is VW incorporated, and what form does the business take? Is it a corporation, and if so what specific type of corporation?

Further,
Does VW own all pictures posted to its site? Could these image be licensed or re-sold without the permission of the model and/or photographer?

[koyote]

I think both sides have alot of explaining to do.
Neither is being or has been as forthcoming as I believe they should.

So many question and things that don't add up.

[grandpa]

Not to defend anybody or any organization, but readers must realize that there may be good reasons for the owner not to identify himself/herself/themselves. Maybe VW is owned by a very famous person? A Hollywood personality? Maybe by a Wall Street Banker? Maybe by a large retail chain? Maybe a Fortune 500 Company executive, etc. I think we call all think of a thousand persons/organizations who would not want to be identified with a porno website? And yet, as large as VW had gotten to be, a very lucritive investment for somebody or some company?

Hell, most of us are technically nobody's, and yet how careful are we not to identify the real ourselves on our Profiles? Can everyone understand the reasons the owner(s) may not want to be identified?

So let's cut everyone a little slack, shall we, and let this thing play itself out. Not commenting on who might be right or wrong, just on lettings things play themselves out.

Just my thoughts, everyone,

Grandpa

[TheGeneral]

One thing I want to clear up, well two things but they are intertwined. Firstly of course we all knew deep inside that VoyeurWeb was a company not a benevolent uncle. My earlier statement referred to the fact that, just as when watching the latest Hollywood blockbuster we choose to believe Will Smith can really go back in time because it helps us enjoy the fun more if we believe the story, when we visited VoyeurWeb we could choose to believe the story because it made the site more fun and friendly. It's hard to get emotionally loyal to five trading companies and a series of employees, but by imaging it was all some homespun ideal it made it easier to think of the place as ourhome. This is also why I referred to "R.I.P. VoyeurWeb". I wasn't saying this site will fail, or criticising the new site, just remarking it will never feel like the same old place. The magic is gone. The movie has ended, the cameras have stopped rolling and Will Smith has walked off set in "1969" and picked up his iPhone. The set is still there - but it's harder to believe in the story.

I do also have to challenge this "home" notion both sides are spinning. Igor moving house and stealing the BBQ. Sounds very simple, but I know neither side believes it totally. However if we do accept this analogy are the admins and VW Spokespeople really saying that it's just a matter of getting the BBQ back? I mean the damn thing is now in a different country and it might not be retrievable. How does VW restart if that content is lost forever?

Let's speak on a business level here. If that content is gone. Destroyed. Beyond return. What will you be selling when you reopen? Why should people pay money on a credit card to access a RedClouds section that will be empty? You won't have anything to charge for until that section fills up. To use your own wording - how can you ask us to pay for a burger when you don't have a BBQ, you don't have any buns, you don't even own any burgers?! If Igor has run off with the food then where is your saleable product? You can't sell content he has stolen. Unless you have a back up? Be honest - right now at this moment in time - do you have any content at all? If not then purely on a business footing you wll need to raise capital to run servers and deliver the free product that people have come to expect from VoyeurWeb. Will this mean adverts? If not then is there a capital reserve you can draw on to cover set-up costs or is this going to mean looking for finance? It's a simply question really that I haven't yet seen answered anywhere. WHO has the cash the old site raised? And is it available to finance the new site?

Finally the real "pin in my balloon" "Will Smith is now watching a HDTV while driving a SmartCar in 1969" moment. Is this statement posted on VC even vaguely true - or just a damn lie;

********************
As far as we know, VW is not operated by a single company but by a network of companies and third parties. Company A is responsible for billing support and credit card processing, Company B is responsible for a portion of their photo processing, Company C is responsible for publishing on some websites, Company D is responsible for publishing on other websites, Company E for technical support, and so on.
********************

Because if that is really the case then God help us all. I've worked at Fortune 500 companies and major investment banks in the UK and US and I have never come across such a muddled layout of structures masquerading as a single entity in my life. It's like a giant octopus without a head. All companies need a brain and an adhesive centre controlling the limbs. Without this all you have is tentacles swinging around with no control. Sooner or later they are going to tie themselves in a knot and the "creature" will expire. A business isn't bricks and mortar and assets and liabilities. A good business is a living breathing organism with a nerve centre and a feedback system that constantly monitors each organ ensuring it is nourished and thriving. Take away that nerve centre and to coin a phrase, the left arm doesn't know what the right arm is doing. If this "blip" as you call it tells you anything it should be that your company structure is horrible. The whole system needs an overhaul from an experienced CEO who can ensure that one rogue limb is never allowed to spread an infection that endangers the entire life of the whole being.

Time to hold up your hand and take some blame. Even if Igor did run off with your BBQ, how in the hell was the system set up in such a way that one single person/employee could do that? Where was the security guard? The security lights? And who the hell gave him the keys to the front door?

TG

[rugrollers]

The General makes some valid and important points here but others I would argue with.

The magic is gone. The movie has ended, the cameras have stopped rolling and Will Smith has walked off set in "1969" and picked up his iPhone. The set is still there - but it's harder to believe in the story.

Only if it was the movie starring Igor you were watching. For our part, we still hope to be making movies for some time to come and those are the ones people will be watching. Crucially, we are not actors -– that’s the whole point of VW/RC/HC. We’re real people who are really enjoying ourselves. That movie never ends, although new stars gradually replace older ones (sniff). Personally, I never liked the Igor movie – as in porn, I prefer verisimilitude to caricature, and Igor was a cartoon character.

How does VW restart if that content is lost forever?

There does seem to be some possibility that past content is irrecoverable, but the site is not primarily based on past content but on a continuous stream of new submissions. What is most critical is therefore not the past content, but the ability to convince contributors to resume submitting to the sites as quickly as possible—to help, in fact, out of solidarity, to restart the site quickly. I think the current team understands that, based on their statements, although much remains to be seen.

WHO has the cash the old site raised?

Did Igor steal the money? It’s true we haven’t been told. I have only one small data point, which is that someone reported their prize check bounced due to “account closed” on the old BB on Saturday just as this debacle was beginning to unfold. But it seems unlikely to me that one employee would have had access to all of the company’s cash reserves. I also think that if Igor stole significant monetary assets he would make himself much more easily prosecutable across international boundaries than by stealing copyrighted content submitted under possibly vague terms and conditions (particularly if he was individually named in the T&C). It’s possible he closed the account that pays prize winnings as just another way to make life difficult for VW after his departure.

VW is not operated by a single company but by a network of companies and third parties.

So says Igor’s new site. Why would you take their word on anything after all of this?

If this "blip" as you call it tells you anything it should be that your company structure is horrible. The whole system needs an overhaul from an experienced CEO.

I tend to agree. Either the company structure or the company culture or both. Maybe the CEO's head should roll. Maybe it has. But on this score I don’t think they can be entirely straightforward with us, and I am willing to cut them some slack.

Time to hold up your hand and take some blame.

I couldn’t agree more. They've done a bit of this, but they need to acknowledge much more fully than they have so far that giving Igor the role they did, under false pretenses, for fifteen years, was a mistake both with regard to exposing them to this sort of malfeasance and with regard to duping members and contributors. If they want us to believe they are not going to dupe us again, they have to come clean on this. Don’t minimize what happened by calling it a “blip” or referring to Igor as a “puny employee.” The first principle of corporate disaster management is to fully acknowledge the seriousness of the situation and accept responsibility so you can then move forward without worrying about what will fall out of the closet next. What they need is trustworthiness, and we can all see that this is no blip (they also admit it themselves in describing the massive task involved in getting the site back online).

As I said earlier, so far so good, mostly, but stay focused on trust and transparency.

Rug Roller

[JDinPA17603]

Katherine Lucas,
Thanks for a real name from hopefully a real person. I look forward to seeing how you bring the site back, the safeguards you put in place to keep this from happening again and the improvement you make to the site that has been a part of my life from the beginning in 97.

Looking towards the future.
JD

[DarknLadyJedi]

I don't really care who the people behind the screen are, I care about the people who post pictures and chat with me/us. As long as there are real world, beautiful women posting and people giving good chat I couldn't care less. But I DO care about it if they up and take my personal stuff and go give it to someone I didn't intend to have it.

[LastMango]

I am really trying to just absorb the information as it trickles out, make sense of it in my own ways and form my own opinions. I read the other posts, and most of them have some valid points. Between the 2 sites, we have "Igor" "Ghost" "Simon" "Admin" and the lovely and talented (but non boob showing) Katherine Lucas. A "Director-Public Relations"
I'm just a dumb old plumber but I'm guessing VW and all of it's variations was probably less than 20 employees and a couple of high dollar servers. Public Relations Director? Really? And these names? Is this a biker gang or the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
There is a lot of things that just seem a little shady on both teams. Denial, Name Calling,the fact that VC still looks like a 3rd grade try at a website. If this was so well planned I would think VC knew what they needed to go "live and big time" We have decided to just watch the drama and hope that we can find our friends on either one of these sites or a new adaptation of one filling the void these have left behind. We will always be lastmangoinga@Y.....drop in and say hey!

[Roxboro1]

s 4. The owner of VW is one individual, one man, with an incredible vision who, some 15 years ago, saw the need to create a comfortable and cozy "Home for Voyeurs", and set out to do so single-handedly, creating what we know today as Voyeurweb
Ok.. so why then when Months ago when The deviation from voyeurweb.... to yoursexytits... Was brought up on the voyeurweb Bulletin Board... which is what "Igors Site" is now opperateing on.... why the hell would this not raise eyebrows months ago?????? And then the introduction of links to ******** instant ass flash being added right into atit flash not raise questions to all of you who work at voyeurweb????? I mean..I merely visit this place and I noticed this immediately... and questioned it... this was months in the working...how the hell could it now be a suprise....Someones lying like a motherfuck here...!

[Roxboro1]

I'm Not seeing any real answers anywhere on this board of ANY kind of protection being claimed as to members info... and weater or not some insane asshole has thousands of ppls personal and financial info to do god knows what with...

[Jammer]

Roxboro, it's been stated several times that VW/RC never had any credit card information at all. All credit card transactions were handled by a processing company(part of the banking system), who retained all that information. I tend to believe this statement, as I thought that was how all internet credit card transactions were handled. As to the other stuff, it would seem that all account information was taken in addition to all of the photos. It's possible that Igor/VC has any information that you've ever given to VW or RC, like email address etc. If I'm not mistaken, most of the information that they ask for when you post is pretty basic, and is never verified. So basically, all the have is what they need to operate the site...and most of it is suspect anyway. I'm thinking that the worst thing that can happen is that our inboxes suddenly get stuffed with spam. Assuming that VW's claim of never having access to credit card info is true. I've never belonged to RC, so I've never been thought their payment procedure.

[rugrollers]

Ok.. so why then when Months ago when The deviation from voyeurweb.... to yoursexytits... Was brought up on the voyeurweb Bulletin Board... which is what "Igors Site" is now opperateing on.... why the hell would this not raise eyebrows months ago?????? And then the introduction of links to ******** instant ass flash being added right into atit flash not raise questions to all of you who work at voyeurweb????? I mean..I merely visit this place and I noticed this immediately... and questioned it... this was months in the working...how the hell could it now be a suprise....

I can't really follow this, Roxboro, too cryptic for me. Could you fill in the dots with what actually happened as to "yoursexytits" and being brought up on the BB and links into something flash...? Sounds interesting but I don't understand it. I wasn't there.

[Roxboro1]

You know how on the left side of your vw screen.... In all there many sections..lol.. Only really needed tit flash..
But at the very bottom of the page.. for about three weeks there was a instant ass flash button same as the many tit flash buttons above it... I surely was not the only one to notice this addition......... MANY of the regular pic submitters were talking about this new site in there comments... n I could name quite a few names but... I am hopeful that these ppl had merely stumbled onto this as I had... VC has been up and running for atleast a month....... You ppl surely know this......

And those of us who saved pics on their cell phones noticed IMEDIATELY... when our pic files from voyerweb.com.... No longer were received as such.... they came from and were filed as "yoursexytits.com" into our phone download files... there was a thread on the VW BB For the last 3 months of this change..... do VW Crew ever look in the BB???? HOW THE HELL WAS ANY OF THIS MISSED???????

[Roxboro1]

If you download a pic from Vc right now... it comes from yoursexytits.com..... same as it was from VW the past few months... Months............ hummmm... I gotta see where they come from here now... thanks to the miss who has a few up....

[DArtagnan]

just bare in mind

It's "BEAR" you bloody imbecile.

[RickeyE]

http://www.spoke.com/companies/igormani ... 1002108459

http://who.is/whois/igormania.com/

[rugrollers]

You know how on the left side of your vw screen.... In all there many sections..lol.. Only really needed tit flash..
But at the very bottom of the page.. for about three weeks there was a instant ass flash button same as the many tit flash buttons above it... I surely was not the only one to notice this addition......... MANY of the regular pic submitters were talking about this new site in there comments... n I could name quite a few names but... I am hopeful that these ppl had merely stumbled onto this as I had... VC has been up and running for atleast a month....... You ppl surely know this......

And those of us who saved pics on their cell phones noticed IMEDIATELY... when our pic files from voyerweb.com.... No longer were received as such.... they came from and were filed as "yoursexytits.com" into our phone download files... there was a thread on the VW BB For the last 3 months of this change..... do VW Crew ever look in the BB???? HOW THE HELL WAS ANY OF THIS MISSED???????

Okay, maybe that could have been a red flag. I'm not sure how the "sexytits" part was connected to VC, other than the connection you've now noticed. The fact that the other site was running for some time doesn't seem very incriminating to me, since VW owners would not have had reason to think it was connected to Igor and planning to hijack VW. Probably they don't always pay attention to the BBs, and if they do it could have been Igor or one of his fellow defectors. You have this tone of outrage that I don't really understand. But I'm probably still not quite understanding why you're so certain these things should have made them know about this ahead of time.

On a related note, I've heard from some people who were on the other site ahead of the hijack that all of VW content that is on there now did not appear until last Saturday, even though it appears on the site as though it had been posted over the course of several months past. I was thinking it was pretty strange that all that VW content had been sitting there and VW hadn't been notified or done anything about it. But it evidently wasn't.

[Jammer]

Voyeur **** was up and running in April...and appeared to be an upstart competitor to VW, although at the time it appeared that the competition was to be a 'friendly' one. A few of VW's contributors were discovering VC and posting on both sites. It's true that the appearance and feel of VC was very similar to VW, but the content and posts were totally different. When I first discovered VC, back in May, my first impression was that it was a sister site. If you check out VC's "About us" message, this is what you'll find...

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
********: ******** is a free platform for sexy pics showing real women only. ******** is not commercial and tries hard to stay far away from any fees or popups or ads. In case of any question please contact webmaster AT ********.com.

In order not to fog the viewing pleasure for our viewers, we kindly ask you
not to abuse our free services and to report any pic which does not belong here!



Our Special Thanks

- To the master of all amateur sites: The great "Igor" from the famous Voyeurweb for helping us with some of his php-libraries, so we hadn't do all coding from scratch!

- To Yasmin aka "babyface" for supplying all ******** design-templates for free. Psst - don't tell her boss!!

- To Martin the "hardware guru" for setting up the industrial-grade server

- To Bill aka knows as "Your network setup sucks" for optimizing the network setup

- To all pervs out there who are joining our fast growing community by uploading their hot pics!



Yours

Simon and Franck
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This message was there when I first viewed it back in May, and is still there now.

It wasn't until last Saturday that the VW content showed up at VC...

I hope this sheds some light on the subject...

[marerosso70]

Ma dove sono finite le foto??????? :evil: