[RealJustme]

ROSEBURG, Ore. (CBS Seattle/AP) – Multiple casualties occurred Thursday in a shooting at a community college in southwestern Oregon, authorities said. CBS News reports at least 10 people are dead and that 20 people were injured. Six people are in critical condition. The community college is a gun-free campus, campus police have been unarmed since 2009 to bring them in line with the 100% gun-free rules.

“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, is prohibited,” the college’s security policy states.

[johnforbes]

Gun-free zones are part of liberal fantasy land.

All they create is butcher shops, alas.

[RealJustme]

Have you guys ever noticed that ever mass shooting has happened in a certified gun free zone? Plus just about every time the only that that stops more from being murdered is when a good guy shows up to the gun free zone with a gun.

[elklindo69]

Oregon university system is not a gun free zone.

Next time get your facts straight.

OH...we're dealing with Justme...a facts free zone.

[RealJustme]

Oregon university system is not a gun free zone.

Clown, wake up, we're talking about a community college, had you completed your education you would know the difference. The college was indeed a gun free zone, even their one on duty officer wasn't permitted to have a gun.

[johnforbes]

The new comm college president, in the wake of this, pledged to take any further possible steps to make the place even more of a gun-free zone.

In liberal fantasy land...

[elklindo69]

Oregon university system is not a gun free zone.

Clown, wake up, we're talking about a community college, had you completed your education you would know the difference. The college was indeed a gun free zone, even their one on duty officer wasn't permitted to have a gun.

YOU LIE!

Oregon state law allows for concealed carry on school grounds.

As a matter of fact a student who was lawfully armed chose not to intervene.There goes the good guy with a gun theory...

[RealJustme]

Oregon state law allows for concealed carry on school grounds.

Really please show us a Oregon law that overrides a school's policy of no guns...waiting!

As a matter of fact a student who was lawfully armed chose not to intervene.There goes the good guy with a gun theory

Really who was this armed citizen who chose not to intervene and how would that make him a good guy?

[elklindo69]

Oregon state law allows for concealed carry on school grounds.

Really please show us a Oregon law that overrides a school's policy of no guns...waiting!

As a matter of fact a student who was lawfully armed chose not to intervene.There goes the good guy with a gun theory

Really who was this armed citizen who chose not to intervene and how would that make him a good guy?

The Oregon University System will not appeal a court ruling that declared its gun ban on its seven campuses exceeds its authority and is invalid.

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/ind ... ill_1.html

[elklindo69]

Oregon state law allows for concealed carry on school grounds.

Really please show us a Oregon law that overrides a school's policy of no guns...waiting!

As a matter of fact a student who was lawfully armed chose not to intervene.There goes the good guy with a gun theory

Really who was this armed citizen who chose not to intervene and how would that make him a good guy?

A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on Oregon’s Umpqua Community College campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

In an interview with MSNBC, veteran John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.

Saying he does conceal carry in case “I’m in close proximity” to an incident where he might try to save some lives, Parker admitted he’s not the type who believes that “there’s always somebody out there behind your back ready to do something like this.”

Conservative commentators — none of whom were caught up in the panic and confusion at the college campus — have complained that the school’s “gun-free” designation drew the shooter there and that a “good guy with a gun” could have stopped him.

Parker explained that his military training provided him with the skills to “go into danger,” but said he felt lucky he and others didn’t try to get involved going after Mercer.

“Luckily we made the choice not to get involved,” he explained. “We were quite a distance away from the building where this was happening. And we could have opened ourselves up to be potential targets ourselves, and not knowing where SWAT was, their response time, they wouldn’t know who we were. And if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think that we were bad guys.”

Parker noted that he was hustled into a classroom with other students by a professor who asked if anyone was armed. He said he raised his hand and said he would attempt to protect his fellow students if they came under attack.

[RealJustme]

Clown do you even read your own links?

The system still has authority to control its property and facilities and can make and enforce internal policies that ban guns from university classrooms, dormitories and sports stadiums, said Chancellor George Pernsteiner on Tuesday.

Plus I noticed you failed to address your allegation that a man with a gun chose not engage the bad guy.

[Intrepid]

The armed student did the right thing. He said he was, "Some distance" from the site of the shooter. The cops got a report of an active shooter at the school. If they would have arrived and seen the armed student walking around with a gun in his hand they would have gone batshit and probably shot him right then and there without bothering to ascertain just who he was.
On the other hand, an unarmed former military member (who had at least some martial arts training in addition to whatever he had received in the Army) did charge the shooter, and was shot at least five times. His wounds are not reported to be life threatening, thank God.

The lesson to be learned from this incident, as opposed to the shooting at the Columbine high school in Colorado where the cops dithered and dallied as those punks wreaked havoc unimpeded, is the cops attacked the active shooter putting him down in short order thus preventing further carnage.

We note with interest that the media was quick to report that the shooter was a, "conservative Republican" while ignoring the radical Islam material on his computer and Facebook page.

[johnforbes]

Nobody believes these days that media outlets are neutral.

Instantly, Obama sought to enact gun control legislation -- before he even had the slightest idea what had occurred in Oregon.

Instantly, media outlets sought to portray the killer as some redneck with 3 names and too many guns.

Because only pundits at MSNBC know how many guns, if any, Americans ought to own...

Nobody cited the killer-coward's anti-Christian beliefs, or his pro-Islamic views...

[RealJustme]

Is it just me or is it burried that this half black thug selected white Christians to kill, we know what narrative would be if they were shot for being Muslim or black. It wouldn't be about gun control, it would be about Christians and whites needing to do soul searching. The media's and Obama agenda is so transparent !

If Obama has a son, he would be just like this thug!

[elklindo69]

Is it just me or is it burried that this half black thug selected white Christians to kill, we know what narrative would be if they were shot for being Muslim or black. It wouldn't be about gun control, it would be about Christians and whites needing to do soul searching. The media's and Obama agenda is so transparent !

If Obama has a son, he would be just like this thug!

It's always framed by right wing whites as a "half black thug" not a "half white thug."

And how much more of an inconvenience is it for the right wing whites that Harper posted online that he " ‘Doesn’t Like Organized Religion’ & Is a ‘Conservative, Republican"

[elklindo69]

Clown do you even read your own links?

The system still has authority to control its property and facilities and can make and enforce internal policies that ban guns from university classrooms, dormitories and sports stadiums, said Chancellor George Pernsteiner on Tuesday.

Plus I noticed you failed to address your allegation that a man with a gun chose not engage the bad guy.

Are you really that dumb and illiterate...

:lol:

What just don't you understand...

The courts declared the university gun ban on its seven campuses exceeds its authority and is invalid.

A three-judge panel of the Oregon Court of Appeals said in September that the State Board of Higher Education cannot use an administrative rule to ban guns. Only the Legislature can regulate the use, sale and possession of firearms, the court said.

Some campuses have some agreements to restrict guns from some buildings. Portland State University, for example, bars guns from its student housing, but students or faculty still can pack concealed guns into classrooms and other buildings if they have permits, said Scott Gallagher, spokesman. The university has not made plans to strike agreements to restrict guns from buildings other than housing, he said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/ind ... ill_1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[johnforbes]

Look, Oregon is a haven for leftist airheads such as Elkin.

The new community college fellow just said he would take all possible steps to ban guns, so he has taken precisely the wrong message away from this tragedy.

As all leftists do.

[Intrepid]

I thought it odd that there are many pictures published of the Oregon shooter's father, but virtually none of his mother. The father lives in California and the media arrived at his home at warp speed. The mother is right there in Roseburg, hmmmm..... So I did a Google image search for, "Laurel Harper" and found ONE picture.
Of a black lady.
The media is very efficient at sanitizing their propaganda when the facts don't fit the agenda.

[RealJustme]

I thought it odd that there are many pictures published of the Oregon shooter's father, but virtually none of his mother. The father lives in California and the media arrived at his home at warp speed. The mother is right there in Roseburg, hmmmm..... So I did a Google image search for, "Laurel Harper" and found ONE picture.
Of a black lady.
The media is very efficient at sanitizing their propaganda when the facts don't fit the agenda.
Intrepid Posts: 1014Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:05 pmLocation: U.S.

Yep, she's a black single mother raising a murdering black son who doesn't like whites or Christians but the media is only on the guns (anyone surprised?), if only the college had a no gun, no gun, really no gun ban. The college dean was proud yesterday during her speech concerning the no gun ban and that she doesn't even allow the college security to be armed on campus, any student who violates the policy is expelled.

To top is off MSNBC said the shooter is an Army Vet where he learned how to use all type of weapons and be suffering from PSD like many other military Vets who should be monitored to avoid future gun attacks. First of all, the black thug joined the military but they booted his sorry ass during his first month of basic training, to compare him to real military Vets is as about as low as the media can go and demonstrates their contempt for our men and women who defend their sorry asses.

[johnforbes]

Noticed that too.

The killer washed out, but naturally MSNBC tried to paint the killer as one of those naughty veterans they dislike so much.

Also, did any network run a photo of the black mother?

[sillydaddy]

No photos of the black mother .....because Obama had already jumped in with his speech......
Now media has to hide mother to keep it from being seen as a black on white race crime.....which actually it is!

[Clownkicker]

It's hilarious to see that elklindo, the guy all of you say isn't too bright, has shown all you clowns to be fools.

So the shooter's a liberal? No, turns out he's a conservative Republican.

The gun free zone is to blame? No, turns out there is legal concealed carry there.

If only someone had a gun to stop the guy this wouldn't have happened? Nope, someone did have a gun and he still did nothing.


So what do dishonest scum do when all their knee-jerk talking points turn out to be bullshit, as usual?
Why, they blame the media for not showing pictures of the gun-toting conservative Republican's mother.
I guess she's the one to blame now for raising a Republican. :lol:
But now only silence on all the rest. Gee, I wonder why...friggin' hypocrites...


"If Obama has a son, he would be just like this thug!"-RealStool

Except Obama has actually raised two children and neither of them show any sign of becoming gun-toting conservative Republicans.
Why do you think his son would be any more Republican than those two, Tool?
It's far more likely that YOUR son would be just like this thug. He actually WAS raised to be a conservative Republican gun nut.

[johnforbes]

A fellow who had a weapon was too far away.

A pistol is not some magical device, and cops would have shot him had he roamed about looking for the killer.

He did, however, serve as a tremendous comfort for those he was near because he could have served as a counter to the killer.

Each and every once of these tragic shootings ends the same way -- suicide by the killer, as here, or the killer being shot by cops.

In other words, it STILL comes down to a good guy with a gun.

[Clownkicker]

"A pistol is not some magical device, and cops would have shot him had he roamed about looking for the killer."-johnforbes


EXACTLY, johnny.

Which is why the police don't want a half dozen armed yahoos playing shoot-em-up in a situation like this.

You just made the case for why you yahoos shouldn't be walking around armed as the supposed panacea to all our societal problems of violence. It will just cause greater problems for the police making their jobs more difficult.

If you want to argue you feel so fearful in your everyday life that you need guns to feel safe, fine.
But stop telling us that a bunch of armed clowns everywhere would stop all these attacks.
They wouldn't.
The perpetrators are always mentally unhinged somehow, and anyone willing to trade his life for another will always be able to succeed, even if the entire crowd is armed. In fact, I'm sure some of these shooters raised on video games would even see it as an added enticement to get into shootouts with as many in the crowd as possible before they die.

I'm far more frightened by twenty or thirty armed citizens around me in a public venue than I am about the odds of becoming a victim of these nut cases.
Regular people getting upset over a perceived slight against someone's wife or the guy who gets upset at the guy who looks at them funny in traffic is a far greater concern to me.
Even if the armed citizen saves themselves, they are far more likely to hit me with a random bullet in the crossfire. I wouldn't be a bit safer if six armed guys in a crowd were all shooting at some nut case.

And when some everyday guy that you don't know is armed decides to get lethally upset at you, you will be dead before you know it anyway, you concealed carry or not. You won't have a high-noon shootout with him and win as you imagine it now. It's already over.

Heck, give 'em all guns. What could possibly go wrong? :shock:

[johnforbes]

Clowntoker, what would make you think some cop is more highly trained than a veteran?

Let me assure you that, for folks who have deployed, using a weapon isn't a once-in-a-career scenario.

The point is rather different -- id est, that having a pistol is not a magical transportation device to take a person across campus to another building.

Where a pistol would be used, of course, is where a shooter was active and proximate.

[Clownkicker]

"Your Lordship, what would make you think some cop is more highly trained than a veteran?"-johnforbes

I have no idea whether any given cop is more or less highly trained that any given veteran. It's irrelevant.
We could stipulate that the veteran is far more highly trained and that still wouldn't alter the fact that having civilians shooting at each other makes the job of the police almost impossible. Civilians all look alike, whether good guys or bad guys, because they aren't wearing "SWAT" or "POLICE" jackets.

"The point is rather different -- id est, that having a pistol is not a magical transportation device to take a person across campus to another building."-johnforbes

No, that is NOT the point.
It's pretty silly you making this argument after saying the guy was correct not to engage because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.
Even if he was in the same building with the shooter, he would be setting up a fire fight with students in the cross fire and police left wondering who to take out.

Ask the police and they will tell you they don't want civilians shooting at each other in such situations.
The concealed carry should only be used for self-defense, not for doing the job of police. You risk an even greater tragedy trying to become some cowboy hero.

[RealJustme]

So the shooter's a liberal? No, turns out he's a conservative Republican.

The gun free zone is to blame? No, turns out there is legal concealed carry there.

If only someone had a gun to stop the guy this wouldn't have happened? Nope, someone did have a gun and he still did nothing.

You pointed out the same exact word for word lies under your Elk name, Clown you're slipping. I bitch slapped your under your Elk name now I'm bitch slapping you under your Clown name.

So the shooter's a liberal? No, turns out he's a conservative Republican

So this black scum is a conservative who hates whites and Christians...do you really believe that?

The gun free zone is to blame? No, turns out there is legal concealed carry there

The college expels students who violate their no gun policy!

If only someone had a gun to stop the guy this wouldn't have happened? Nope, someone did have a gun and he still did nothing.

The first person to get to the scum with a gun did stop him. So tell us about this person you allege that had a gun and did nothing, again Elk I'm still waiting on that information.

[Clownkicker]

Tool, elklindo already gave you all that.

If you can't read, don't expect me to waste time typing it for you as well.

[RealJustme]

No you didn't, you gave a link to some oregonlivefree liberal anti gun rant. Check out the college's own website for what their policy is.

http://www.umpqua.edu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also please inform us of this so called person who had a gun but chose not engage the bad guy? Sounds like something you got of oregonlivefree.

[Clownkicker]

Dimwit, it doesn't matter what their policy is.

It matters what the law is in Oregon.

[johnforbes]

The black mom had 14 guns in a one bedroom apt.

She took her son to a shooting range.

He lined up Christians and shot them.

Seems like a lot in this story is being hidden.

[Clownkicker]

So why are you hiding your source for this story, johnny?

Why not post a link instead of bullshit?

[RealJustme]

it doesn't matter what their policy is

Elk, you're the one who claimed there was no anti gun laws for the campus, now you're saying their own no gun policy doesn't count :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

Tool, I know it taxes your pea brain, but you have to learn to read TWO sentences before you give up thinking. :lol:

"Dimwit, it doesn't matter what their policy is.
It matters what the law is in Oregon."

And elklindo NEVER claimed there were no anti gun laws for the campus, you lying fuck.
But I'm saying their anti gun rules do not take precedence over state law.

Any minimally intelligent person understands this.
So you might understand this in a day or two.

[johnforbes]

My source was http://www.clownlicker_is_a_raging_Leftist.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

[Clownkicker]

yes, johnny, we already knew you had no reputable source for your bullshit. :lol:

[RealJustme]

And elklindo NEVER claimed there were no anti gun laws for the campus, you lying fuck.
But I'm saying their anti gun rules do not take precedence over state law.

Oregon also allows smoking cigarettes but walking into a place with a no smoking policy and try telling them the Oregon laws overrides their no smoking policy. It's that simple dude.

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clowntoker for admitting that his own personal web site, jammed with leftist claptrap, is not reliable.

[RealJustme]

Clown is trying to decide if he should post as Elk or Clown in an attempt to explain that's not what he really meant when he said what he said.

Clown is confused, if Oregon law banned guns that college wouldn't couldn't have a policy allowing guns to override the State Laws but the college certainly can place additional bans on their property even if the State allows it. Now watch Clown come back as Elk and try and argue that students can indeed smoke in classes because the State Law overrides the colleges and smoking is allowed.

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[Clownkicker]

"Oregon also allows smoking cigarettes but walking into a place with a no smoking policy and try telling them the Oregon laws overrides their no smoking policy. It's that simple dude."-FuckingMoronTroll

Of course, Oregon DOESN'T allow smoking cigarettes in the workplace and allows schools to have no smoking policies. So a comparable situation would only be if the campus policy was that people COULD smoke in campus workplaces and Oregon law would absolutely override such a hypothetical campus smoking policy, nullifying it.

But as it is, the campus no smoking policy is already in accord with Oregon law, so campus policy does not override state law and your idiotic scenario is just more of your dumbfuck troll bullshit.

And incidentally, Oregon could never have your hypothetical law that bans guns.
That law would be overridden by the Constitution.

Try again, douche bag. :lol:

[RealJustme]

OK Clown, you've dug your hole deep enough, I'll bury you now.

Under Oregon state law, “campus carry” is permitted, but each university can set its own policy on whether or not they want to allow firearms. In 2012, after the state legislature failed to pass a bill that would have banned guns on campuses, Oregon’s State Board of Education, which oversees many of the state’s public universities, unanimously approved a policy that bans guns from its campuses, and other institutions followed suit. Additionally, the policy states that anyone who does business with any of the state universities—which includes “students, employees, contractors, people buying tickets to university events or people renting university property,” must agree to not bring weapons on campus. Anyone who violates this policy cannot be criminally prosecuted, but can face punishment by the university. Students and faculty could face disciplinary action from the university, while contractors risk a breach of contract lawsuit. Some universities allow those with legit concealed carry permits to bring their firearms on campuses but they are not allowed to enter any buildings or structures.

So the Oregon shooter not only didn't have a concealed carry permit he also entered buildings. My God I've never seen so many liberals run to the defense of a scum bag shooter...is it because he's black?

[Clownkicker]

Show us a single liberal who has come to the defense of a scum bag shooter, Tool.

A SINGLE ONE, you lying sack of shit.
You've got nothin' unless you're making up stupid shit. :lol:

[johnforbes]

I do appreciate Clownlicker showing proper respect by addressing me as "lordship."

Even though we don't have lords in this country, it is true that Clownslacker's intellect and accomplishments have landed him on the bottom run of America's socioeconomic ladder.

[Clownkicker]

I show you proper respect by addressing you as "lordshit", johnny.

You really need to get some better glasses.

[johnforbes]

Well, the only glasses I wear are of the sun variety.

My visual acuity is excellent.

For his part, Clownhacker as the same keen vision as Mr. Magoo.

[Clownkicker]

As I said, you really need to get some better glasses.

Rose-colored sunglasses are just ridiculous.

I imagine their 'fruitiness' appeals to you.

[johnforbes]

No, I use aviators. They might not be in fashion these days, but they will come back.

The same may be said of of Clownslacker's disco slacks.

[sillydaddy]

I like the aviator glasses....I own a pair of vintage shooting glasses in the aviator style

like the ones Peter Fonda wore in the film,"The Wild Angels" with Nancy Sinatra