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#59061
“There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate,” says a petition signed by more than 31,000 American scientists in climate-related disciplines. Scientists search for truth by observation and experimentation, not by taking polls. Consensus is a political concept. The skeptics are true to the scientific method. The abusers of science are those who politicize it.
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/jac ... 1405290275" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
#59065
RealTool, I guess you could swallow the petition thing signed by just about any college grad who wanted to sign it, of which only 3,805 were trained in the Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences, (I got that number is from the Petition Project website itself) and the other ~88% aren't.

Or you could consider these guys instead:
The following scientific organizations endorse the consensus position that "most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities":

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
British Antarctic Survey
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Environmental Protection Agency
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
Federation of American Scientists
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA)
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Royal Meteorological Society
Royal Society of the UK

The Academies of Science from 80 different countries all endorse the consensus.

NAS consensus

13 countries have signed a joint statement endorsing the consensus position:

Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academie des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
Russian Academy of Sciences
Academy of Science of South Africa
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
National Academy of Sciences (USA) (12 Mar 2009 news release)

A letter from 18 scientific organizations to US Congress states:

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science."

The consensus is also endorsed by a Joint statement by the Network of African Science Academies (NASAC), including the following bodies:

African Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Madagascar's National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Academy of Science of South Africa
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Sudan Academy of Sciences

Other Academies of Sciences that endorse the consensus:

Australian Academy of Science
Royal Society of New Zealand
Polish Academy of Sciences
But hey, what do they know, right?

You really can't let your handlers shovel that dishonest propaganda down your gullet this way.
You could just shut your mouth and open your mind to science instead.
#59067
The global warming hoax has nothing to do with temperature. The climate has been changing ever since there has been a climate. Its all about control of people.
Loser Lucky's side, the Marxists, want to control every aspect of your lives, what kind of car you drive, where and when you can drive it, where you live, how much water you use when you shower, and on and on. They want to create a third world shit hole because they think they can create, and then benovently administer, a socialist Utopian workers paradise.
This is the kind of thinking that results from long term drug use.
#59072
You will notice that Loser Insipid presented no evidence whatsoever to support his opinion.
All he has is his tired igno-rant.

Poor PainfulTooth has an asshole and an opinion like everyone else, but no facts.

For some reason every denier on the Right believes an asshole is all you need to be considered knowledgeable on climate change.
#59074
They want to create a third world shit hole because they think they can create, and then benovently administer, a socialist Utopian workers paradise.
You will notice that Loser Insipid presented no evidence whatsoever to support his opinion.
Here you go clown


What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected
a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

St. Louis, MO (6th)…. since 1949;

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;

Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.

The 15 most liberal cities in the US:

- Detroit, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Gary, Indiana - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Berkeley, California - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Washington, DC - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Oakland, California - 16 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Inglewood, California - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Newark, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Cambridge, Massachusetts - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- San Francisco, California - 7 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Flint, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Cleveland, Ohio - 14 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Hartford, Connecticut - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Paterson, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Baltimore, Maryland - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- New Haven, Connecticut - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents


The national average is four violent crimes/1,000 residents. Every one of the 15 most liberal cities in the US has a higher violent crime rate than the national average. Twelve of the 15 have a violent crime rate that is at least double the national average. Two of them have a violent crime rate that is six times the national average.

The 15 most conservative cities in the US:


- Provo, Utah - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Lubbock, Texas - 9 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Abilene, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Hialeah, Florida - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents

- Plano, Texas - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Colorado Springs, Colorado - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Gilbert, Arizona - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents
- Bakersfield, California - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Lafayette, Louisiana - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Orange, California - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents
- Escondido, California - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Allentown, Pennsylvania - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Mesa, Arizona - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Arlington, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Peoria, Arizona - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents
#59075
Because I have trained him so well Loser Lucky knows that when I crack the whip, he jumps.
Marxists hate having the light of truth shone upon their nefarious agenda.

Loser Lucky struggles but his drug addled mind will not allow him to come up with anything original, so he mimics those he knows are his intellectual superiors.
#59076
Tool, political stuff is not evidence one way or the other to climate change.

You are trying to divert from the fact that your "31,000 scientists" are largely not "climate-related" or even "scientists" at all in a relevant way.

And Insipid's conspiratorial ravings and drooling are not climate related either.
You're wasting you time desperately pandering to his diversionary drivel. It will only make him despise you more than he already does.

But it was funny seeing him jump on my command by my mere posting.
It's like all I have to do is blow the dog whistle that only he and johnforbes can hear and he comes snarling and impotently yapping like a shaking, hairless Chihuahua.
#59077
Tool, political stuff is not evidence one way or the other to climate change.
Exactly, now you get it. Take out the political stuff and there is no evidence man is causing our climate to change. It's all hype and politically motivated manipulation of data. You can try and discount 31,000 actual scientist in favor of Al Gores in the world but you just make yourself look even more silly. The core of the earth is now 1 million degrees :lol: :lol: :lol:
#59079
Tool, those 31,000 are not "actual scientists" for the most part.
They are mostly just college graduates with no particular expertise in the subject.
"actual scientists" do actual science. Most of those who signed the petition don't, and if they do, they don't do it in climate science.

And why do you keep bringing up Al Gore? No one here has even mentioned him in months, and when they do, it's a reactionary tool bringing him up.
Forget Al Gore for cripes sake. He has nothing to do with this. Listen to the scientists, not FOXnews and Breitbart.

While you're out there, would you go open the back door so Insipid can get in after doing his business. We really need to hear more of his yapping and whining about Lucky and Marxism and smoking dope in order to know what we should think about climate change.
#59088
It is said that mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery, but here it's just a brain dead junkie who can't come up with anything original. Now Loser Lucky is trading on my jibe to him of the "angry ankle biter under the bed," one of my more favorite lines. It does my heart good to see he learns from the lash.

Loser Lucky, why don't you inform us of the missing ice age that all those so called climate experts hysterically warned us was going to have destroyed all life on earth several years ago now?
We anticipate a ringing silence from you on that topic.
Now, go have a pot brownie before the toddlers scoop them all up. Then perhaps a nice jolt of your favorite Mexican black tar?

And so, to bed.
#59090
^^^^^^Here we see in Insipid a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder.
He looks out on the world and only sees himself reflected back.
His grandiose sense of self-importance is embarrassing.

Maybe I should rethink my instructions to RealTool to let Insipid back in after shitting all around the yard.
Apparently he wasn't finished and now he's crapping in our forum.
But he's in now and yapping on command, so I should throw him a bone for his obedience:

Insipid, no experts ever predicted an ice age that would destroy all life on Earth.
C'mon, that's so pathetic you aren't even seriously trying to compete with RealTool's lies anymore.
Try to give us something plausible next time.

But we did notice you still have no comment on the topic and no facts; only more whiny diversions about Lucky and dope smoking, just as I predicted.
#59110
Yeah, struck me as funny too.

Bottom line, whether it is man made or naturally occurring,

RAISING TAXES IS NOT GOING TO STOP IT.

And that is the goal here....make no mistake about it.....raise taxes under the guise of combatting whatever the fuck they call it these days, and then use the money for something else. Throw it away on Solyndras et.al., waste it, mis-appropriate it i.e. Social Security funds, buy shit we don't need, give it to able-bodied disability recipients, fund Food Stamps for people that don't qualify, continue to fund a badly broken inadequate education system, and on and on and on.

Patch them potholes!!!!

Word.
#59115
Witch doctors maybe, but scientists? Nah....

I saw the witch doctors on a Tarzan movie once.

Speaking of witch, u guys ever see the first Tarzan movies with Maureen O'sullivan? Effin hot she was.
Totally nude skinny dipping....no falsifying the nude scenes....good stuff.
#59116
Address the points you just made?
Those opinions (not really points) have nothing to do with the topic, so I'll address them if I feel like it.

You're usually somewhat reasonable, and I'm willing to talk about reasonable things.
But as cynical as I already am, I don't need to spend my time talking about how cynical we all are.
Who cares?
Being cynical is not going to mitigate climate change. Nor improve the politics either, for that matter.

If you're saying you believe the scientific consensus but don't believe anything substantive will be done to mitigate change because of human nature, then fine, that's an opinion, but it doesn't alter the fact of the change we are going to have to face, like it or not, deny it or not.
We're facing wars over water, wars over food, famines, epidemics, refugee movements, tribal warlords and Islamic State-type political upheavals, ecosystem collapses.
The clowns here think it's about whether or not they will need to turn up their air conditioning and whether the electricity to run it will be produced by burning coal or not.

The whole point here is that grasping at the opinions and assholes of a few thousand college grads doesn't mean jack shit against the best science of those actually working in the field around the world. Sure, the petition sample may be slightly more intelligent than your average Joe on the street, but that doesn't impress me a bit if they don't know what they are talking about, which most of them don't, if you look at the website of the petition.

Pretending there is some coordinated global conspiracy by tens of thousands of scientists from all cultures and political persuasions to dupe the Earth's population for political purposes, of all things, is just stupid.
#59117
We're facing wars over water, wars over food, famines, epidemics, refugee movements, tribal warlords and Islamic State-type political upheavals, ecosystem collapses.
So why don't we burn our calories on those items we can do something about rather than trying to cool a planet which is going to follow natures' course no matter what we do? Spending trillions, restricting energy sources, new restrictive regulations trying to stop natures' course are all going to make real crisis worse.

Libtards in California for example need to burn their calories on finding a solution to their water crisis which is staring them right in the face as an immediate threat.

Carlos
#59139
RealJustme wrote:
“There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate,” says a petition signed by more than 31,000 American scientists in climate-related disciplines. Scientists search for truth by observation and experimentation, not by taking polls. Consensus is a political concept. The skeptics are true to the scientific method. The abusers of science are those who politicize it.
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/jac ... 1405290275" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So Justme's search for the holy grail has come up with some bullshit propaganda which is easily debunked. It was so bad that the NAS issued a press release distancing themselves from being associated with the petition project. For kicks and giggles I went on to their website and found what they considered to be a manuscript which debunked global warming that was peer reviewed.

http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_artic ... ISM150.pdf

It was peer reviewed all right, by the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, which happens to be, according to Wikipedia "a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine." Now obviously their manuscript was not peer reviewed by a reputable journal such as the International Journal of Climatology.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/ ... )1097-0088
#59148
It was peer reviewed all right, by the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, which happens to be, according to Wikipedia "a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."
Clown, we're talking about climate change not Obamacare, put down the booze and go to bed.
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