[snakeoil]

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This is a well written article and expresses my views on this subject. Although I am not a twenty-something I agree with this article. This should shake politicians up a bit.

Some thoughts:

a. How can we argue or ignore what those who have the education, resources and drive to study climatte have concluded? Isn't this the height of arrogance on our part?

b. There are two glaciers in Antartica that are melting at a rate much faster than scientists thought possible. These have the ability to raise sea levels significantly.

c. if melting of the glaciers does happen, the ocean currents ( Gulf Stream, etc.) WILL change causing disruptions in climates and countries with disasterous results for people in the climate changed areas. Disrupting the ocean currents could trigger another ice age. At one time, the earth was a frozen ball of ice.

d. Global warming could cause mass exodus and starvation, wars for food and world chaos. Are we willing to chance that?

e. Energy efficient cars, energy efficient homes, cradle-to-grave designed products, solar panels on the roof, recycling and all of the other ways to reduce our footprint on the earth not only are good for the earth but are cost effective and increase our independence from corporations.

f. If you won't think of yourself and the people of the earth today, think of your heirs and the world you are leaving them.

g. I have been a vegetarian for many years for health reasons (If you knew my family history you wouldn't sell me life insurance.) It is also very good for the planet.

[RealJustme]

Well here's views from a Hispanic, male, fortysomething:

a. How can we argue or ignore what those who have the education, resources and drive to study climatte have concluded? Isn't this the height of arrogance on our part?

Because it's not true, they are taking natural changes and using it to warp data to go along their agenda or for MONEY.


b. There are two glaciers in Antartica that are melting at a rate much faster than scientists thought possible. These have the ability to raise sea levels significantly.

Again not true, just because the same liars repeat lies enough time it does not make it true.

c. if melting of the glaciers does happen, the ocean currents ( Gulf Stream, etc.) WILL change causing disruptions in climates and countries with disasterous results for people in the climate changed areas. Disrupting the ocean currents could trigger another ice age. At one time, the earth was a frozen ball of

WHEN glaciers melt and when climate changes as it ALWAYS has, man will have no influence on it and man will not be able to stop it. At one time, the earth was a frozen ball of ice and it melted without man's help.


d. Global warming could cause mass exodus and starvation, wars for food and world chaos. Are we willing to chance that?

It's more likely the sun will fart and wipe out mankind, are we willing to chance that?

e. Energy efficient cars, energy efficient homes, cradle-to-grave designed products, solar panels on the roof, recycling and all of the other ways to reduce our footprint on the earth not only are good for the earth but are cost effective and increase our independence from corporations.

None of them are cost efficient and some are more harmful to our planet than traditional sources of energy.

f. If you won't think of yourself and the people of the earth today, think of your heirs and the world you are leaving them.

I am thinking about that, it's you libtards that are destroying our health care, flooding our country with low life thugs, destroying our military, or energy sources, all while helping our enemies develop nukes and turning on our allies. All for rainbows and unicorn farts.


g. I have been a vegetarian for many years for health reasons (If you knew my family history you wouldn't sell me life insurance.) It is also very good for the planet.

If you want to be a vegetarian, go for it, good for you, but don't try and force your eating preference on me by telling me my hamburger is destroying the earth and our children's future, fucking libtards always trying to force their agendas on normal people. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[snakeoil]

a. Danger! Justme has a vote and casts it without thinking.

b. Justme thinks that those on TV, those with money, those with an agenda or those in power cannot be wrong and must be believed.

c. Justme loves being ANTI as it, to him, justifies his existence. He feels that being ANTI is what a politician should be.

d. Justme loves being negative. Never say anything positive. Negativity, like greed, is good.

e. Justme feels that if a ANTI politician says something on TV it has to be gospel and that position should be preached to the world.

f. Justme feels that if a life-long Republican has an opinion that is at issue with the stated blathering of an ANTI politician , that Republican has betrayed the cause and should be drummed out of the party.

g. Justme feels tha science is wrong. Water flows up hill, gravity is a liberal plot, the earth is flat, the laws of science could be wrong and scientists should be put in a cage.

h. Justme is so insecure that he feels that if someone posts their personal preference (vegetarian for health reasons) they are trying to force their views on him. Justme..you should read "The China Study" by Dr. Colin Campbell. (It's not about how China is trying to dominate the world.)

i. Justme knows that global warming is not real because the politicians and the Kock Brothers have told him so and they can't be wrong. He can't envision that the politiians or the Kock Brothers would have an agenda. The two glaciers in Antartica will stop melting anyday now. The pollution that is blackening the glaciers in Greenland (causing the sun's energy to warm the glacier and accelerating melting) will stop anyday now. The seas that have been rising will go back down anyday now. The changes in the earth's currents, that have recently been found to be changing, will go on forever.

[johnforbes]

Just to pick up one book, look at the famouse Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

Scientists operate on beliefs.

Yes, beliefs.

Sure, scientific theory purports to be based on fact, and the good ones are, but big parts of scientific theory have always been beliefs.

That's why Newton's total mechanistic universe was totally accepted until it was proved wrong in part by Einstein.

So a prudent person does not rush to believe every new theory, particularly if urged by Al Gore who got a B.A. in Political Science and never was a scientist.

Indeed, Al Gore dropped out of Vanderbilt Law with failing grades.

[sillydaddy]

So tell us snake.......you enjoy riding that bicycle to work?......have you finished paying off those solar panels on your roof....found any new recipes for fried rice?...you making your own clothes? Because every time you go to a store, any store..and buy.......you're supporting some corporation. Remember If you're not part of the solution........

[RealJustme]

Justme thinks that those on TV, those with money, those with an agenda or those in power cannot be wrong and must be believed.

Wrong I don't believe their manipulation of natural changes in climate to predict man is destroying the world.

[elklindo69]

Justme thinks that those on TV, those with money, those with an agenda or those in power cannot be wrong and must be believed.

Wrong I don't believe their manipulation of natural changes in climate to predict man is destroying the world.

McConnell first claimed that he wasn't a scientist and was not qualified to opine on climate change....fair enough.

Then when the UN report climate change was released, and it indicated the human activities were attributed to global warming, McConnnell immediately snapped back and claimed the report was a hoax.

I thought he wasn't an expert in climate science? Or was he bucking for Kentucky coal miner votes?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1203 ... l-pipeline

[RealJustme]

McConnell first claimed that he wasn't a scientist and was not qualified to opine on climate change....fair enough.

Then when the UN report climate change was released, and it indicated the human activities were attributed to global warming, McConnnell immediately snapped back and claimed the report was a hoax.

I thought he wasn't an expert in climate science? Or was he bucking for Kentucky coal miner votes?

So what's your cred's to opinion the report is valid?

[johnforbes]

Elkin is clearly bituminous.