[johnforbes]

Senator Cotton:

"Islamic terrorists don’t need an excuse to attack the United States, to attack us is what they do, they attack us for what we are. It is not your decision. It is a political decision based on a promise the president made on his campaign. To say that it is a security decision based propaganda value that our enemies get from it is a pretext to justify a political decision. In my opinion the only problem with Guantanamo Bay is there are too many empty beds and cells there right now. We should be sending more terrorists there for further interrogation to keep this country safe. As far as I’m concerned, every last one of them can rot in Hell, but as long as they don’t do that they can rot in Guantanamo Bay."

[RealJustme]

No sane man can disagree with that.

[Malcolm]

No sane man can disagree with that........ :idea:

[RealJustme]

Yep, our government paid those who ratted out terrorists but 90% of those in Gitmo were captured on the battlefield, they just need to go away.

[Malcolm]

:lol:

tough pill to swallow, ain't it.........?

[tvd]

I am fully in favor of summarily executing ANY Gitmo prisoner that is released and then re-captured back at the business of terrorism. There have been reports of released prisoners rejoining the cause.
I would say just take them out back and shoot them.
Make it known to all released terrorists that this is the policy.

Can't hurt.....

[johnforbes]

Liberals fret about the "rights" of terrorists.

Soon after the new governor was sworn in in PA, he declared no killer would be executed.

He didn't care about taxpayers or crime victims or anybody doing anything productive in that state, but he just cared deeply about murderers.

That's liberals...

[elklindo69]

The matter between Forbestardo ears has been rotting for who knows how long.

Instead of taking a feeble swipe at the liberals, why don't you use the remaining neurons that haven't already rotted and come up with a simple solution?

Instead of indefinitely housing terrorists at some Marine base on Cuba, perhaps they should be taken to a federal court and prosecuted.

Guilty or Innocent, case closed, have a nice fucking day.

Gitmo clusterfuck solved!

Forbestardo is a moron!

[sillydaddy]

Only a liberal like Elk with his twisted logic, would want our enemies to be protected by the US Constitution.

[elklindo69]

Only a liberal like Elk with his twisted logic, would want our enemies to be protected by the US Constitution.

That's right Silly, fuck the constitution, you've got nothing to hide, so why don't you submit to a voluntary police search to prove that you are innocent.

Dumbass...

[RealJustme]

Instead of indefinitely housing terrorists at some Marine base on Cuba, perhaps they should be taken to a federal court and prosecuted.

Since Obama has been releasing the terrorists our troops have started to just kill them on the battlefield so they don't rejoin the war. There's no way a civilian court would prosecute these animals, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, our troops did do CSI work when they captured them, they won't be able to bring in witnesses from Iraq, most of the soldiers involved are no long soldiers. Obama would team the terrorists up with multiple high price attorneys leaving an overworked prosecutor with an impossible job. They should be held until Muslims stop their war on us, if that means they rot in Gitmo, so be it. The thought that foreign terrorists are protected by our Constitution is insane, they haven't earned that honor.

[elklindo69]

Instead of indefinitely housing terrorists at some Marine base on Cuba, perhaps they should be taken to a federal court and prosecuted.

Since Obama has been releasing the terrorists our troops have started to just kill them on the battlefield so they don't rejoin the war. There's no way a civilian court would prosecute these animals, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, our troops did do CSI work when they captured them, they won't be able to bring in witnesses from Iraq, most of the soldiers involved are no long soldiers. Obama would team the terrorists up with multiple high price attorneys leaving an overworked prosecutor with an impossible job. They should be held until Muslims stop their war on us, if that means they rot in Gitmo, so be it. The thought that foreign terrorists are protected by our Constitution is insane, they haven't earned that honor.

Those people were captured under Bush. Bush had no clue what to do with them.

This Bush clusterfuck was dumped onto Obama with no exit plan.

Cheney claimed that the prisoners were not POWs therefore not covered under Geneva Convention. OK fair enough, therefore they are just common criminals and will be subject to US law and will have a trial and go to jail. Period.

[Clownkicker]

"Liberals fret about the "rights" of terrorists."-johnforbes

This is an example of how johnforbes is either dishonest or stupid.
Liberals do not "fret" about the rights of terrorists.
Liberals fret about the rights of human beings.
johnny pretends to have a legal education, but he is too stupid to comprehend the difference between a terrorist and an alleged terrorist.
I guess you can hold that attitude when you are psychic like johnforbes pretends top be.

Tell us, johnny, how do you know anyone in Guantanamo is a terrorist?
Because some nobody in Pakistan told some guy in the Army that some other guy did something wrong so he could collect some money?
Is that your idea of proof someone deserves to die?
The Army set hundreds of them free because it was determined they were not terrorists at all.
Are you saying the Army set terrorists free on purpose without orders from W. Bush to do so?
Some detainees even became terrorists because of the way they were unfairly treated in prison.
As Malcolm showed you, many of those at Guantanamo were turned in for money by people who just didn't like them.
You would have shot them all first and asked questions later.
No, scratch that. You wouldn't even have bothered to ask questions at all.

Anyone with actual legal training would not talk the way you do.

"Soon after the new governor was sworn in in PA, he declared no killer would be executed.
He didn't care about taxpayers or crime victims or anybody doing anything productive in that state, but he just cared deeply about murderers."-johnforbes

Another dishonest (or possibly stupid) characterization from johnforbes.
Executions cost taxpayers millions of dollars by the time appeals are exhausted. It is far cheaper to keep the convicted murderer alive. If you cared about taxpayers at all, you would be against the death penalty on that fact alone.
And killing someone does not demonstrate you "care about" the victims any more than keeping them alive shows you don't "care about" the victims. That is not why the death penalty exists. It is not meted out so you can show the victim how much you "care about" them.

Anyone with actual legal training would understand that as well.

But most of all, being against the death penalty doesn't mean you care about the murderers at all.
I'm against the death penalty and I don't give a hoot about murderers.
The people I care about are the hundreds of innocent people who have been murdered by the state who were later exonerated after it was too late and the sentence was irrevocable.
YOU'RE the one who doesn't "care about" people in the state because you are willing to kill them, even when they are innocent.

That's knee-jerk conservatives....

[johnforbes]

Bertrand Russell lived a long life, but no life is sufficiently long to expend time plowing through Clownhicker's postings.

The average pretzel has more twists than Clownslacker's "logic."

[RealJustme]

But most of all, being against the death penalty doesn't mean you care about the murderers at all.
I'm against the death penalty and I don't give a hoot about murderers.
The people I care about are the hundreds of innocent people who have been murdered by the state who were later exonerated after it was too late and the sentence was irrevocable.

Elk , most Americans don't give a damn about murders, we care for the victims they killed. The so called exonerated murders are nothing more than lost evidence or technicalities resulting in there no longer being enough to retry them. Murders should be executed within 5 days of being sentenced, time to care more for the victims than the murders.

[Clownkicker]

Tool, don't tell Elk. Tell johnforbes. He's the one who accused someone of caring about murderers.
You always misdirect your stupid comments toward the wrong person.

Nevertheless, "There have been 325 post-conviction DNA exonerations in United States history. These stories are becoming more familiar as more innocent people gain their freedom through postconviction testing."

These are EXONERATIONS based on DNA, not technicalities, you dishonest, ignorant tool.
THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

"Murders should be executed within 5 days of being sentenced, time to care more for the victims than the murders."-RealTool

^^^^^As I said, knee-jerk conservatives.....they don't care about hundreds of innocent people who could have been put to death, not to mention those who already did die unjustly.

RealTool and johnforbes are perfect examples of your "compassionate conservatives."
They're truly vile human beings.

[RealJustme]

These are EXONERATIONS based on DNA, not technicalities, you dishonest, ignorant tool.
THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

What the lay man doesn't understand is that just because you find someone else's DNA at the scene or on the victim's clothing that doesn't match the convicted murder's DNA doesn't clear them. Someone else's DNA could have gotten on the scene or clothing a million different ways. In fact the average crime scene has DNA for over 40 people in it, that doesn't mean they were there when the murder happened. If you were ever at that scene your DNA may be there.

So tell me Elk how does someone else's DNA found on the scene or clothing prove the person convicted didn't do it?

[Clownkicker]

Tool, what part of EXONERATED don't you understand?

The government admits they didn't do it.

All your shuck and jive doesn't change that fact.
Are you actually going to pretend you know more about forensics than the people who do it for a living? :lol:

You can't fix stupid.

[Malcolm]

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[RealJustme]

Tool, what part of EXONERATED don't you understand?

The government admits they didn't do it.

It most cases it means that the convicted murder has lost 5 retrials over 20 years and on the 6th appeal the prosecution can no longer put together the witnesses and evidence that existed 20 years ago for the 6th retrial. When you say because of DNA that means they found someone else's DNA on the clothing or evidence that doesn't match the convicted killer, that doesn't mean the person's DNA was the murder it just means the prosecution gives up. It's really that simple dude.

[Clownkicker]

"It most cases it means..."-RealTool

BULLSHIT, Tool. You don't know squat about what it means "In most cases".
You're making it up, pretending to be a forensic scientist.

An exoneration is not simply letting someone go who probably did it.
An appeal might do that on a technicality.
An exoneration is the state admitting the wrong person was convicted.
In 50% of exoneration cases, the real perpetrator is discovered.
There is no doubt about the person's innocence.

"It's really that simple..."_Tool

It's never "that simple" dimwit.
It isn't a TV show, Tool.
Stop slopping up everything your handlers feed you and educate yourself.

[johnforbes]

In most cases when the word "rot" is used, it refers to Clownhacker's underarms.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, get back to us when something other that dog shit is leaking out of your mouth.

You're supposed to be a lawyer and you let RealTool go on with his nonsense, which makes a fool of him and you.

You're useless.

[RealJustme]

Elk, I have not problem if liberals in the justice system wants to exonerate a murder because of technical issue "after" they've been put to death, I'm cool with that.

[johnforbes]

I applaud the person who started this thread.

However, prudence dictates the caveat that, when the word "rot" is used, it refers to Clownhacker's underarms.

[elklindo69]

Justme and Forbes are two assholes who can't admit that Bush was wrong.

So they have to keep these people incarcerated indefinitely to prove they were right.

[RealJustme]

Justme and Forbes are two assholes who can't admit that Bush was wrong.

Wrong about what?