[snakeoil]

1. Plants get their energy from the Sun. Herbivores from plants. Carnivores from herbivores. In the end, we're all solar powered

2. Sad over today’s state of the world? During the six years of World War II, an average of 1,000 people were killed — per hour.

3. #WhenIWasYourAge: Religion was taught in Sunday School, not in your Science Classroom.

4.The objective truths of the world are controversial only to people who are both under-informed and who like to argue.

5. Relativity. Gravity. Quantum. Electrodynamics. Evolution. Each of these theories is true, whether or not you believe in them.

6. Imagine a world in which we are all enlightened by objective truths rather than offended by them.

7. Plants get their energy from the Sun. Herbivores from plants. Carnivores from herbivores. In the end, we're all solar powered

8. If your belief system is not founded in an objective reality, you should not be making decisions that affect other people.

9. Some claim the USA is a Christian nation, compelling me to wonder which assault rifle Jesus would choose: the AR-15 or AK-47.

10. When a coincidence seems amazing, that's because the human mind isn’t wired to naturally comprehend probability & statistics.

11. Argue all you want about the physical world, but Nature is the ultimate arbiter: serving as judge, jury, & executioner.

12. Humans kill one another so often, for all reasons including none, I wonder how we'd treat a peaceful alien who visited Earth.

13. Never presume that just because you disagree with an idea that you must be correct.

14. The Soviet KGB would have admired all the ways America -- land of the free -- now conducts surveillance on its own citizens.

15. Our Common Sense is not derived from what's true in Nature but from what our senses perceive to be true in Nature.

16. The limits on your enlightenment come not from the age you stopped going to school but from the age you stopped being curious

17. USA to Russia: “We’re imposing sanctions on you!! But please still allow us on your Soyuz so we can reach our Space Station"
BTE...Most of our space rockets use Soviet engines'

18. If you melt all the land ice & glaciers, especially Greenland & Antarctica, Statue of Liberty would be waist deep.

19. Scientology & Astrology. Just because you can append an “-ology” to a word, does not make it based in objective reality.

20. Some educators, who are quick to say "These students just don't want to learn”, should instead be saying "I suck at my job”.

[johnforbes]

Throughout human history, "objective truth" has been defined as whatever some king or pope or currently popular scientist believed.

Most of what humans accept as objective truth is really subjective belief.

[sillydaddy]

deGrasse is a piece of work. It's not that he doesn't believe in GOD.
It's that he is angry at GOD because GOD refuses to reveal to him how He did it in six days!

[Clownkicker]

sillydaddy is a piece of work. It's not that he believes in GOD.
It's that he actually believes God created the universe in 6 days. :lol:

[RealJustme]

It's that he actually believes God created the universe in 6 days.

That's been the accepted number of days by billions of people for thousands of years, big bangs happen pretty damn fast. So Clown how many days do you think it took?

[Clownkicker]

Tool, I'm not going to play your game until you define the terms "universe" and "day".

You might want to check with sillydude before you answer.
Otherwise you could end up making him look like an even bigger fool.

[johnforbes]

Dinah Washington, "What a Difference a Day Makes"

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^We see that johnforbes subscribes to the ancient theological position of a day being defined as "24 little hours."

How 'bout you, Tool?

[elklindo69]

Throughout human history, "objective truth" has been defined as whatever some king or pope or currently popular scientist believed.

Most of what humans accept as objective truth is really subjective belief.

When you look up on a sunny day...what color is the sky?

:lol:

[elklindo69]

It's that he actually believes God created the universe in 6 days.

That's been the accepted number of days by billions of people for thousands of years, big bangs happen pretty damn fast. So Clown how many days do you think it took?

Ask Marco Rubio, he may have the answer?

And he may be candidate for president..

:lol:

[RealJustme]

Ask Marco Rubio, he may have the answer?

Obviously neither you or Clown do. You both stepped into this one and now can't wiggle your way out. 8-)

[Clownkicker]

No, Tool, I'm perfectly willing to discuss it, but I'm not wading into one of your bullshit ponds until you trap yourself in your own dishonest shit first.

But I needn't worry. You're a coward like all the other ignorant, gutless religious morons.
You all know you haven't got an intellectual leg to stand on.
It's your fundamental premise not to think and you don't just admit it, but you're actually proud of it.

[RealJustme]

No, Tool, I'm perfectly willing to discuss it, but I'm not wading into one of your bullshit ponds

So you're perfectly willing to discuss it but you know you can't wiggle you're way out so you won't. :roll: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

Define those two words, coward.

Then I'll humiliate you with your own ignorant bullshit.:lol:

[johnforbes]

Leftist kids such as Clowntoker and Elkin confuse their own personal beliefs with objective truth.

The sad reality is that most of what passes for "objective truth" is really just subjective belief.

Perhaps the only objective truth is that Clownslacker and Elkin are poorly educated socialists.

[Clownkicker]

Stupid old geezers such as johnfastuous have such ossified brains that they confuse the "objective truth" of 1000 years ago with the objective truth discovered since the scientific revolution. He actually believes that mysticism and scientific knowledge have an identical degree of intellectual certainty surrounding them.

The sad reality is that johnfactious doesn't understand that we are no longer subject to whatever some king or pope or currently popular scientist has to say. We can believe actual facts nowadays.

Someday johnfandangle will realize that there is a self-correcting system of knowledge now extant that allows him to actually know things, or at least know the degree of certainty concerning any given subject. His philosophy teachers in college crippled his mind rather than freed it, and since then he has never been able to understand that we no longer live in the dark ages where alchemy and astrology were the frontier of knowledge.

Get away from your antiquated toaster, johnny, and come into the 21st century.
Wake up, dimwit.

[johnforbes]

Please permit me to correct the impression that I concur with the "objective truth" of 1000 years ago.

I am not quite 1000 years old.

As to the history of science, any person reading any history of scientific progress will see paradigm shifts (Kuhn).

A lightly educated juvenile such as Clowndumber can labor under the impression that he has attained intellectual certitude -- that he knows All and comprehends the cosmos.

But that same delusion was part and parcel of every era as the onward march of human knowledge proceeded.

[Clownkicker]

Apparently all johnflops has in the way of argument is to blather on with more irrelevant platitudes.

Just because johnny believes the absolute limit of human knowledge and certitude is "Cogito ergo sum" doesn't mean the rest of us have to accept his absurdly extreme and theoretical definitions of terms regarding knowledge when facing the real world.

I have proof that the universe is not simply a fabrication of johnforbes' mind.
And that proof is that johnforbes is simply too stupid to come up with any of this amazing stuff we experience around us every day.
He simply regurgitates platitudes that have been fed to him.

[johnforbes]

Unlike Clowndoper Lucky, I've actually read a history of science.

He should too.

If he ever does that, he'll learn that the entire history of science consists of cycles of certitude -- many of which turn out to be false.

Meanwhile, dolts like Lucky will continue to pat themselves on the back for assuming that current theory is eternal theory.

It may be, or not.

[elklindo69]

Someday johnfandangle will realize that there is a self-correcting system of knowledge now extant that allows him to actually know things, or at least know the degree of certainty concerning any given subject.

Yes, it's called peer review.

Basically scientists verifying each others work independently.

John Forbes takes the word of the political ideologues rather than the verification of independent researchers.

All of those CO2 level readings, thermometers, satellite imagery, water levels, etc. have all been fabricated.

Yes, global warming attributed to human activity is all a fabrication, according to conservative politicians in coal mining states...

[johnforbes]

Elkin, I'm not taking anybody's word for any of this.

What I am doing -- and your feeble intellect seems incapable of comprehending it -- is maintaining a rational skepticism about a new theory.

Unlike you, little Mr. Elkin, I've actually picked up a history of science and read it.

Try one; you'll learn about the cyclic nature of accepted ideas.