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By snakeoil
#41285
In 1787-1788, Arthur Young, a British agronomist, traveled extensively through the French countryside and was appalled by the extreme poverty of the area. On his return to Britain he wrote about his concerns that, if the French aristocracy refused to ease the plight of the rural citizens, the people would rise up against their rulers. The next year the French Revolution occurred.

The following facts are from two recent books that I read. The books are, Divided by David Cay Johnson and Capital by Tomas Piketty.

1. Right after the Bush inauguration a WH spokesman (Deputy Press Secretary) was asked what the average wage in the US was as shown on the US tax returns. His answer, “Probably about $250,000.” The real figure was $28,000.

2. By 2012, real income (expressed in 2012 dollars) went from $35,584 (in 1973) to $30,997 (in 2012.)

3. Between 1998 and 2011 average weekly wages stagnated at $533-$546. In 2012 average weekly wages dropped to $529.

4. Of the 153.6 million Americans that have a job, almost 1/3 make less than $15,000 a year.

5. Since 1980, there have been 32 Million bankruptcy filings out of about 100 million US households.

6. In 2012 the number of people earning $5 million or more annually increased by 27% over 2011.

7. By 2012, the average US income US income fell to 1966 levels (-15.7% as adjusted for inflation.)

8. The top 1% of earners saw their income, in the same period grow by 153%.

9. The share of taxes paid by the top 1% has fallen by 60% from 1961 levels.

10. The US trails only Romania in the number of children living in Poverty.

11. Today, 1 in every 52 people have no income other than food stamps.

12. Since the seventies we have lost about 50,000 factories and 2.8 million jobs have been lost to China.

“An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.”
Plutarch, Greco-Roman historian 46-120 C.E.
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By RealJustme
#41287
My thoughts are Obama has set our economy up for another failure. The stock market at the present time is a balloon that will burst as soon as the Government stops holding it up with checks that will bounce at some point. Trillions will be lost, those who listened to me in 2008 and bought gold will do the best.
37.2%: Percentage Not in Labor Force Remains at 36-Year High
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali ... -year-high" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
7 Million Have Left Workforce Since Obama Took Office.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ses ... 94443.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
America’s Economic Dark Side. Widening Social Inequality, Rising Poverty and Joblessness.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-e ... ss/5354970" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. incomes see largest drop in 20 years
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013 ... -and-taxes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Violent crime rates increase. NEW YORK -
The FBI says that violent crime rose across the United States again in 2013.
Obama has indeed brought change...but no hope.
By johnforbes
#41292
Reuters and the AP and others ran the usual stories on the wonders of more jobs being available.

But U-6 real unemployment for May 2014 stands at 12.2 percent.

That is the real unemployment rate including workers who have not looked for a job in more than 31 days.

47 million remain on food stamps, and Democrats still want amnesty for 12 million illegals taking jobs from American citizens.
By snakeoil
#41295
Justme- The figures in my post go back to the 50's, 60's and seventies. Unless i'm mistaken, Obama wasn't President then.

As the old saying oges, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
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By RealJustme
#41296
Justme- The figures in my post go back to the 50's, 60's and seventies. Unless i'm mistaken, Obama wasn't President then.
I didn't post going back to the 50's and 60's or 70's, I posted from 2008 until now, Obama was and is President. You can't live in the past, you can't ignore what our current leaders are doing, they are responsible for happens under their leadership and Obama has only made things worse.

Ignore Obama's poor record if you must but don't try and justify it.
By elklindo69
#41298
RealJustme wrote:My thoughts are Obama has set our economy up for another failure. The stock market at the present time is a balloon that will burst as soon as the Government stops holding it up with checks that will bounce at some point. Trillions will be lost, those who listened to me in 2008 and bought gold will do the best.
So you take dirt.

Melt it down and purify it.

Put it in a vault then pay someone money to stand around and watch it do nothing.

Conservative economics

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By RealJustme
#41308
So you take dirt.

Melt it down and purify it.

Put it in a vault then pay someone money to stand around and watch it do nothing.

Conservative economics
So you feel a piece of paper is better? When Obama was elected gold was at $841.00, today it's at $1,253.00. Now don't you feel silly :lol: :lol: :lol:
By snakeoil
#41327
41 percent of the jobs lost in the recession were in high-wage industries, yet only 30 percent of those jobs during the recover were similar.

37 percent of the jobs lost in the recession were in medium-wage industries yet only 26 percent of the jobs in the recovery have been in that category.

22 percent of the jobs during the recession were low-wage. But they’ve accounted for 44 percent of those in the recovery.
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/05/0 ... n-economy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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By RealJustme
#41343
Gold reached its peak when the DOW was at its weakest hour...gold will always be the last resort and will peak in the coming crises. I'm not saying gold should be your cornerstone but if you have all your money in stocks you're about to lose your ass as the wealth is redistributed. If you have a portion in gold it'll climb at a faster rate than stocks fall.. at least saving some of your investments.

Since Obama has been elected gold has out performed the market; despite the over inflated bubble we're currently in. Depending on unlimited Obama dollars to continue pumping into the market is not a sound investment strategy.

The rich are about to rape your paper investments moving millions from middle class to working poor...exactly what Obama has been doing since day one in office.
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By brandon
#41354
the people would rise up against their rulers
What are the poor and the working poor going to demand Snake? Are they going to force the US government to provide them with a high paying job?.... Or just demand cash or gold to ease their extreme poverty? What silliness.

Will it be a violent "revolution" Snake? And will the workers utopia then be established ? When will the robbing and jackin' begin? Will the rich folks and the politicians be the first to be beheaded and have their wealth taken from them? Surely there is a just nation in the world where economic equality exists? Where all of the wealth is distributed equally. Why not just move there?

It's hard to imagine that someone could be so stupid as to seriously believe such nonsense. People who are free to pursue their living in any way in the richest nation in the world are going to violently rise up against their "oppressors" because they're only making $28 grand a year. People like Snake are like little children throwing a temper tantrum and making demands because they believe they are incapable of improving their lives.

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By snakeoil
#41356
Brandon, reread my OP. Arthur Young was worried that the French rural poor would rise up against their rulers. We have our own form of revolution here...it's called the ballot box.
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By RealJustme
#41357
We have our own form of revolution here...it's called the ballot box.
Snake, I suspect you're one of the voters who got us into the present mess or did you vote against Obama? If you voted against Obama my apologizes for misjudging you.
By johnforbes
#41358
As an investor, I'm non-partisan. In other words, I'm interesting in finding out what the situation is, and investing based on that.

Anybody preparing for retirement, or investing to leave money to their kids or grandkids, has to invest through numerous Repub and Dem politicians anyhow.

U-6, which includes those who haven't looked for a job in more than 30 days (they gave up), is 12.2 percent for May 2014.

This is double the so-called headline unemployment rate which people tout as evidence of economic strength.

And, when journalists say the U.S. has now gotten back the jobs lost after 2008, they forget to mention that present jobs are largely low-paying ones.

I used to buy pandas, but quit and eventually gave them all away as graduation gifts. Perhaps I would have been wiser to keep them. I do still own Newmont Mining stock.

I feel a bit guilty because, during January to March 2009, I saw the Dow had lost 8000 points and just felt it was time to significantly rebalance into more stocks. I have no crystal ball and can't forecast the markets, so the Dow and the S&P and other indicators could easily have dropped more from early 2009. But they didn't.

So I lost a lot in 1987, but didn't sell and the markets snapped back rapidly. I lost a lot in the tech wreck in the spring of 2000. I still believe in tech, but now look far more closely at valuations. And, since early 2009, the markets have essentially doubled.

In retrospect, I could say I was bold and forward-looking in early 2009, but it was really just that I thought the markets had dropped enough to justify a big shift into holding far more stock.
By elklindo69
#41366
RealJustme wrote:
So you take dirt.

Melt it down and purify it.

Put it in a vault then pay someone money to stand around and watch it do nothing.

Conservative economics
So you feel a piece of paper is better? When Obama was elected gold was at $841.00, today it's at $1,253.00. Now don't you feel silly :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes only conservatives believe that those bars of gold will magically multiply.............

At least that piece of paper pays the mortgage and puts food on the plate.

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By johnforbes
#41425
On the plus side, the 12 million illegal immigrants are working.

And, of course, taking jobs Americans would do for a living wage.

12 million illegals drive down wage levels.
By elklindo69
#41453
RealJustme wrote:
Yes only conservatives believe that those bars of gold will magically multiply
Only a liberal would make such a stupid statement.
Gold doesn't generate income...or does it?

PLZ educate me....
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By RealJustme
#41462
Gold doesn't generate income...or does it?

PLZ educate me....
Can't be done, you first have to want to learn, then you have to be receptive to views that may conflict with your own. The mind of a leftist is closed to anything that conflicts with their programing.
By elklindo69
#41473
RealJustme wrote:
Gold doesn't generate income...or does it?

PLZ educate me....
Can't be done, you first have to want to learn, then you have to be receptive to views that may conflict with your own. The mind of a leftist is closed to anything that conflicts with their programing.
Come on and tell me how gold will put food on the plate. I've got two kids and a wife to feed.

I'm always listening for ways to make more money...............
By johnforbes
#41484
I own no physical gold at this juncture, but the case for something such as gold would be that it might not lose as much, in some geopolitical disaster, as stocks.

And not losing money is part and parcel of successful long-term investing.

Or losing as little as you can.

What I'm personally looking at now are assets not correlated to US equity markets, which increasingly look fairly valued.
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