[RealJustme]

CNSNews.com) – Vice President Joe Biden, in a speech to the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce’s 2014 Legislative Summit, on Thursday said the 11 million illegal aliens in the United States “are already Americans and need to be treated as such.” “Eleven million people living in the shadows I believed are already American citizens,” Biden said. “All they want—they just want a decent life for their kids, a chance to contribute to a free society, a chance to put down roots and help build the next great American century. I really believe that. That’s what they’re fighting for,” Biden added. -

[johnforbes]

Biden is a moron.

Anybody who is in America illegally can begin today to take steps to get legal.

The illegals have a better deal being here illegally because they don't pay any taxes except those baked into rent and food prices.

[brandon]

He may be a moron but he is down for the cause ("total fundamental transformation" of America).

Amnesty or legalization for this demographic is a key part.

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes is a moron.

It's meaningless to "begin today to take steps to get legal" if there is a 70-year wait list for immigration because of quotas and getting on the list means having to return home until you get to the top.

[RealJustme]

getting on the list means having to return home until you get to the top.

Exactly, that's how any organized system should work. Imagine someone cutting lines at a grocery store because you don't want to wait your turn, that's exactly what illegals are doing, they shouldn't be rewarded for their disrespect for others.

[Clownkicker]

RealTool thinks getting on a list and waiting 70 years is a practical solution to would-be immigrants.
He's as big a moron as johnforbes.

But your example of "cutting lines at a grocery store" is idiotic.
America is not simply a place where you gather up what you want and then pay the owner at the register, though that is what conservatives like you would like it to be.

It would be more like cutting lines to get into a city park.
But of course there are no lines to get into a city park. You can just walk in.
Sure, guys like you hate to share the park with anyone else, especially if they are from out of town, but that's because you are an entitled asshole who believes that because of a mere fluke of history you own the park because you were lucky enough to be born in town.

You see America as a shopping mall where anybody unfortunate enough to be born somewhere else can settle for sticking his nose to the glass and watch you gather stuff from the shelves as you thumb your nose at them and consume 100 times the planet's resources living an impoverished life while contributing nothing to improving the human condition.

You're born, you self-righteously consume, then you die saying all someone needs to do is follow the rules and they will be rich like you. Then you rig the game and say the rules are that someone can't play until he waits 70 years to begin.

[sillydaddy]

Illegal aliens don't want citizenship, and the only thing they fight is deportation.

[josefalcanuckistani]

Those folks are free to create a wonderful free society of their own. And consume all they want.

America is not some exceptional place. Wait...

[Clownkicker]

And the reactionaries roll out their fake Joe Canadian sock. :lol:

[RealJustme]

RealTool thinks getting on a list and waiting 70 years is a practical solution to would-be immigrants.

Clown, you liberals fall for anything, ask your source for one example of someone who waited 70 years for citizenship! American citizenship is not a "right" to anyone who wants to come to this country.

[Clownkicker]

RealTool, there is an immigration limit per country of about 26,000 per year.

At that rate it will take around 77 years for 2 million immigrants to legally enter from Mexico.
Let's be generous and say the limits are raised to 100,000 per year from Mexico. It would still take 70 years for 7 million immigrants to legally enter from Mexico.

If you dimwits had any inkling of the numbers involved you would know that saying all those Mexicans should simply get in line and follow the rules and come back when they're 100 years old or dead is an idiot's idea of a solution to the problem.
It's not going to happen and all the righteously indignant wishful thinking of morons is not going to make the problem go away.

[Clownkicker]

By the way, RealTool, there are currently 1.38 million Mexicans on the waiting list already. That's a wait of over 50 years for those already playing by the rules.

And your solution is to put another 5 million on the list? :lol:

[RealJustme]

RealTool, there is an immigration limit per country of about 26,000 per year.

At that rate it will take around 77 years for 2 million immigrants to legally enter from Mexico.

So? You act like illegals have a right to citizenship, let the 26,000 who go through the legal process in, those who tried cutting the line by sneaking in illegally shouldn't be allowed to apply for citizenship. Try sneaking into Mexico, you'll spend years in prison eating bread and water until your family pays the government back for their expenses, they certainly won't give you food stamps and housing. Illegals, should be treated like illegals, so what if they don't want to play by our rules.

[Clownkicker]

Look, RealTool, what Mexico does or doesn't do is not my problem. Nor is it your problem.
I don't see Mexico as a role model for behavior like you conservatives do.

You still fail to have one meaningful suggestion on how to handle the sheer numbers of immigrants that must be dealt with one way or another. Deflecting to what someone else is doing instead of addressing the issue is all the Right ever does.

Republicans don't want to enforce the immigration laws. They never have and never will.
They want the cheap labor.
Obama has already deported a record number of illegals, more than any Republican ever did, and not a one of you morons has the balls to come out and simply applaud his efforts for being more successful at immigration enforcement than W. Bush or Ronny Reagan.
You're all hypocrites.

What is it about you conservatives that want the death penalty like China and North Korea, want immigration policies of Mexico, school prayer like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, the gun ownership and the violence that comes with it of Yemen, and the lack of government regulations of Somalia? Then you claim to value liberty when what you want are all the most terrible attributes of the worst countries in the world.

[RealJustme]

You still fail to have one meaningful suggestion on how to handle the sheer numbers of immigrants that must be dealt with one way or another. Republicans don't want to enforce the immigration laws

Why would we want to deal with immigrants? It's the illegals that we need to deal with and all we have to do is enforce the immigration laws. Illegals aren't immigrants, they're illegal aliens who have broken our laws, to call illegal aliens, immigrants is degrading to actual immigrants who followed our laws to become citizens.

The solution is simply enforce our immigration laws, those who break those laws should be never be considered for immigration. They have no rights to be US citizens unless we allow it under out laws.

[Clownkicker]

"Why would we want to deal with immigrants? It's the illegals that we need to deal with..."-RealTard

That's all you've got? Word games?
It's Republicans who use the phrase "11 million illegal immigrants" to define the issue.
But if I use your own Republican term you want to pretend I'm the one who's got it wrong?

You can't criticize Obama's deportations so you hem and haw and point the other way, devoid of any ideas.
First you point at Mexico's policies and think no one will notice.
'Then you point at "our immigration laws" as if Obama is magically deporting all those illegals without using those laws.

You've got nothing but whining and hate, as always.

[tvd]

We all know Clown's solution, though, don't we?
His solution...make them all citizens. Yeah, that's the ticket.

His solution would instantly provide the democratic party 20 million new voters.
(That, gentlemen, is exactly why the Dems want amnesty....)

But most importantly to me anyway, is the constant "solutions" to problems offered by liberals and progressives.

Without fail, and I do mean without fail, their "solutions" to problems always lower the bar. They never take the hard path, they never "solve a problem" by doing the right thing....it is always the easiest way out.

Illegals....easy, just make 'em citizens.
Abortion....easy, just kill the kid.
Education....easy, just lower the test score targets.
Budget deficits.....easy, just raise taxes.
Drug abuse....easy, decriminalize it.

Always the easy way out, right Clown?

[Intrepid]

Lucky Junkie Pot Head Stoner ClownDicker repeats the platitudes and lies he reads on the Daily Kos and other libtard websites that cater to the Useful Idiots. Here is some truth about his Messiah and his Dept. of Homeland INsecurity:

The Obama administration is threatening public safety by deliberately hampering immigration law and releasing aliens with criminal records, according to a new review of internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement data.

A Center for Immigration Studies report to be released Monday and obtained in advance by The Daily Caller, found that last year ICE reported nearly 722,000 encounters with illegal or criminal immigrants. But ICE officers filed immigration charges against less than 195,000 aliens.

“According to ICE personnel, the vast gap between the number of encounters reported and the number of aliens put on the path to removal exists because officers are not permitted to file charges against aliens who do not fall into the administration’s narrowly defined criteria for enforcement, regardless of the criminal charges or the circumstances in which the alien was identified,” the report, authored by CIS director of policy studies Jessica Vaughan, reads.

Since June 2011, when the first of the Obama administration’s “prosecutorial discretion” policies were put in place, the report adds, interior ICE arrests have declined by 40 percent.

“The Obama administration and anti-enforcement activist groups have tried to portray the number of departures as ‘record-breaking’ and indicative of robust immigration enforcement. They have tried to support this claim by showing that the number of departures credited to ICE is higher than ever before,” the report reads. “However, an independent analysis of ICE records obtained in a lawsuit showed that ICE was able to achieve these ‘record’ departures only because the agency was taking credit for removing a large number of individuals who were apprehended by the Border Patrol. Such cases made up the majority of ICE’s reported deportations in 2013, but they had never been counted that way in previous administrations.”

Indeed, as the review highlights, many aliens with criminal convictions have simply been released.

In 2013 some 68,000 criminal aliens were released — or 35 percent of all criminal aliens ICE reported encountering, according to the report. ICE field offices with the highest rates of criminal releases were San Antonio (79 percent), New York City (71 percent), Washington, D.C. area (64 percent), and Newark, N.J. (60 percent).

“These figures suggest that despite claims of a focus on public safety, the administration’s prosecutorial discretion criteria are allowing factors such as family relationships, political considerations, or attention from advocacy groups to trump criminal convictions as a factor leading to deportation,” the report reads.

The data is sure to further frustrate critics of the Obama administration’s immigration policies that much more, including Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions who says the “[Department of Homeland Security] is a department in crisis” and is calling on DHS Sec. Jeh Johnson to “reject the President’s demands to weaken enforcement further and tell him that his duty, and his officers’ duty, is to enforce the law – not break it.”

“As Homeland Secretary, Mr. Johnson is tasked with ensuring the public safety and the rule of law. But Secretary Johnson is not meeting these duties,” Sessions said in a statement to TheDC. “American citizens have a legal and moral right to the protections our immigration laws afford — at the border, the interior and the workplace. The administration has stripped these protections and adopted a government policy that encourages new arrivals to enter illegally or overstay visas by advertising immunity from future enforcement.”

The truth is that if illegal immigrants started voting Republican the Dear Leader would order machine gun nests to be established every 50 feet along the Mexican border and anyone appearing from the south would be shot on sight.

Read the rest here:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/31/repor ... last-year/

[Clownkicker]

"We all know Clown's solution, though, don't we?
His solution...make them all citizens. Yeah, that's the ticket."-TVdunce

What is it with you clowns? You can't post anything for yourselves but instead spend your time putting words into other posters' mouths. I've told you about this in the past, TVdunce, but you persist in arguing with yourself instead of arguing with me.
If you don't have any thoughts of your own but you will only post for others, don't bother posting at all.


"The truth is that if illegal immigrants started voting Republican..."-Insipid

Illegal immigrants don't vote for anyone, you moron.
What is it with you idiots, chasing red herrings and spouting nonsense all day while smugly believing you're smarter than anyone else in the room?
This buffoon Insipid is still owned by Lucky even though Lucky hasn't showed his face in months.
That Insipid still confuses me with Lucky despite the fact that our writing bears no similarity to each other's only shows me he's the stupidest of the stupid here, the trauma victim of abuse who can't live without the abuser any longer.
I wish I could kick his ass with the same panache that Lucky had. Instead I must settle for kicking him all over the board with sheer brute force of superior intellect without Lucky's hilarious wit.

Now watch as this Insipid clown dances and foams at the mouth for me instead of discussing a solution to the immigration problem. :lol: in 5...4...3...2..

[RealJustme]

Illegal immigrants don't vote for anyone, you moron.

That's why Obama is insisting on immigration reform...so they can vote. If illegals were pro Republican Obama would be shipping them back in cattle trucks, as soon as he gets them citizenship Democrats take over Texas and several other States that are currently red.

[tvd]

Ooooohhhh I'm scared. Clown done told me.... :o

So, Clown, if that is NOT your solution (we all know it is), then what IS your solution?

My solution disappeared way back in 1992....no point in bringing it back up.

So come on smart boy....enlighten us.

[johnforbes]

It takes time to do many worthwhile things in life.

For most, it takes decades to attain a reasonable level of affluence.

But the fact that existing law is not perfect, or that something worthwhile takes time, is a moronic excuse for disobeying the law.

Were it otherwise, any poor person might excuse himself for robbing a bank.

Being Hispanic doesn't give a person a special license to break the law.

[Intrepid]

There is no other reason why the Donkey-Rat leadership is so fervent about admitting as many illegal immigrants as possible. They know they can turn them into more low information Donkey-Rat voters by promising them free stuff.
Thus, if the flood of illegals coming across the border suddenly were able to vote and they started voting Republican you would see an immediate turn about in Donkey-Rat support for allowing illegal immigration.

Once again you see Lucky Junkie Stoner Pot Head ClownDicker react in the typical emotion driven, knee jerk fashion so common among his ilk. Since he cannot refute the facts, he resorts to shrill noise.

Still owning Lucky Junkie after all these years.

Winning.

[tvd]

They want the instant increase in democratic voters. Plain and simple.

Besides, who will pick the crops? Who will clean the hotel rooms? Who will landscape our homes?
Who will pave the roads? Who will dig the ditches? Mexican food is mmmm mmmm good!!!! andele arriba arriba!

And, Clown, before you shit all down my neck for thinking like that....you know because I am a racist and all that....
before you run your mouth.....that was the idea(s) presented at a political rally by none other than Alex Sink, (D) Florida, just days before she lost her bid for election to republican challenger David Jolly.

[Clownkicker]

"But the fact that existing law is not perfect, or that something worthwhile takes time, is a moronic excuse for disobeying the law."-johnforbes

That someone might have to wait 60 or 70 years before their application is processed is not just some minor flaw that law-abiding people should simply put up with, you buffoon. You see yourself as the calm voice of rationality even as you are arguing people should simply acquiesce to an irrational system.

"For most, it takes decades to attain a reasonable level of affluence.
But the fact that existing law is not perfect, or that something worthwhile takes time, is a moronic excuse for disobeying the law."-johnforbes

Then you give us the very reason your silly argument for politely waiting 60 or 70 years to immigrate is idiotic.
At 70 or 80 years old you no longer have "decades to attain a reasonable level of affluence." now do you?

"Being Hispanic doesn't give a person a special license to break the law."-johnfoibles

Their being Hispanic also doesn't give you a special license to summarily exclude them from participating in the benefits of the life you have enjoyed either. You don't "deserve" them any more than anyone else does. You are here by a fluke of history, nothing more.

"Thus, if the flood of illegals coming across the border suddenly were able to vote and they started voting Republican..."-Insipid

What is it with you clowns that makes you chase red herrings with a dead-serious earnestness and believe they are relevant somehow.
Illegals can't vote. Neither can legal aliens. What will it take to get that reality through your thick skulls? You've got nothing else beyond your fantasies and fears, apparently.

"They want the instant increase in democratic voters. Plain and simple."-tvd

Of course they do.
And Republicans want an instant increase in Republican voters.
Well duh.
What has that got to do with handling the illegal immigration problem?
Maybe if the Republicans treated Hispanics as human beings instead of just trembling and pissing their shorts in fear, the Hispanics would vote Republican when they become citizens. Their conservative family values are closer to Republicans than Democrats.

I don't have all the answers and neither does anyone else, but I do know that the johnforbes/RealTool/Insipid plan of sticking your head into the sand and pretending that human beings are going to suddenly stop acting the way human beings have acted for thousands of years is not viable or intelligent.
You clowns insist that the only alternative to deporting 11 million people is to grant them all citizenship and the vote.
That's how truly ignorant you all are.

Maybe consider increasing the number of green cards issued each year and make more immigrants "legal" and tax-paying members of society. Nothing would actually change because they are already here and have been here for decades, except all those people would then join the tax rolls.

Maybe consider that the millions of immigrants brought here as children by their parents, those who didn't themselves break any law, those that have no life in their parent's native land and often don't even speak the language, could be granted permanent resident status and again join the tax rolls as active (but non-voting) members of the only society they have ever known.

Maybe consider that sometimes you need to compromise in order that the entire society may flourish.
Maybe consider that the U.S. of the 1950's is gone forever and we need to open up to a country made of a new fabric.

All I know for sure is that sitting around whining about "the way things oughta be" instead of dealing with the way things actually are and ignoring the massive numbers involved in the solution is not going to get us anywhere.

[RealJustme]

That someone might have to wait 60 or 70 years before their application is processed

There you go again clown, making stuff up.

http://www.us-immigration.com/us-immigr ... cess-take/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The US citizenship process can take less than a year or several years. Part of the variation depends on where you are with your application right now. If you are not a legal permanent resident of the United States, this is your first step. If you wish to become a US citizen and neither of your parents are US citizens, you’ll first need to immigrate to the United States and become a legal permanent resident. Once that is completed, a process that alone can take a few years, you’ll need to remain in the United States and establish permanent residency for five years, without extended absences. Once the five years are up, you will then be able to apply for naturalization. If you take active part in the American armed forces or are married to a US citizen, the residency requirement may be far smaller. For example, a person married to a US citizen may only need to wait three years after getting permanent residency in order to apply for US citizenship.

[johnforbes]

Yep, it takes time to do many worthwhile things in life.

For most, it takes decades to attain a reasonable level of affluence.

But the fact that existing law is not perfect, or that something worthwhile takes time, is a moronic excuse for disobeying the law.

Were it otherwise, any poor person might excuse himself for robbing a bank.

Being Hispanic doesn't give a person a special license to break the law.

[Clownkicker]

Jesus, RealTool, how are we supposed to talk when you're just plain ignorant of the issue?

"The US citizenship process can take less than a year or several years."

We are NOT talking about citizenship here.
We are talking about immigration.

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

First you have to get here to live, that is, IMMIGRATE here, which in Mexico's case has a waiting list of 50 years already. 1.38 million are waiting for 26,000 slots each year. Adding another 5-8 million applications for visas to the list is absurd and meaningless since the applicants would be dead long before the application is processed.
Once you're here, THEN you can consider citizenship.
Not all immigrants even want citizenship.

[Clownkicker]

"Yada, yada, yada..."-johnforbes

[RealJustme]

We are NOT talking about citizenship here. We are talking about immigration.

That's why I gave you a link to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Both require background checks and selection process, immigration can be as quick as 6 months. Clown you seem to think storming another country's borders exempts them from the law full process. Why are you being so dense on this?

[Clownkicker]

RealTool, if you would look at your own source, the quotation you posted is from the category on the website titled "How Long Does the US Citizenship Process Take?

We aren't talking about citizenship and nothing in the quote you posted says anything about how long it takes to get an immigration visa from Mexico.

"immigration can be as quick as 6 months."-RealTool

No, we aren't talking about some special category that the bulk of immigrants can't qualify for. We aren't talking about a few hundred people.
We're talking about 11 million people with a current wait list of 1.38 million applications.
You are not going to be admitted in 6 months from Mexico.

Why are you being so dense on this?

[RealJustme]

No, we aren't talking about some special category that the bulk of immigrants can't qualify for. We aren't talking about a few hundred people. We're talking about 11 million people

So breaking our laws make them a special category that exempts them from our immigration laws? :?: Clown please enlighten us as to why they're special and don't have to follow our laws.

[elklindo69]

No, we aren't talking about some special category that the bulk of immigrants can't qualify for. We aren't talking about a few hundred people. We're talking about 11 million people

So breaking our laws make them a special category that exempts them from our immigration laws? :?: Clown please enlighten us as to why they're special and don't have to follow our laws.

As you characterize it, you don't even follow your own laws.

So you follow all motor vehicle laws 100% of the time, never jaywalked, or smoked a joint, etc....

hyprocrite

[RealJustme]

As you characterize it, you don't even follow your own laws.

So you follow all motor vehicle laws 100% of the time, never jaywalked, or smoked a joint, etc....

See that's what wrong with you liberals, you have a hard time putting things putting things into perspective.