Political discussions about everything
By snakeoil
#36972
I saw that Brandon chastised me a few days ago for not answering his post in a timely manner. Sorry Brandon, I don't live on this board as some seem to do. I use this board as entertainment; reading the comments of those who have little knowledge of just how complex the world and commerce is and how the actions of other governments can affect us. Occasionally I check in to throw something out there to “stir up the troops.”

Reading the comments on this board makes me understand why we have the Congress that we do and why the incompetents keep getting reelected. I have seen reports that say over 80% of citizens do not know who their Congressman is. In my opinion, these people should not have the right to vote. (Mine is a Tea Party backed doctor who hasn't had an original thought since he was elected. If the Tea Party Caucus says it, it has to be gospel.)

As I have stated in my posts, I am a Republican. Let me clarify that; I am a moderate Republican and I must admit that I sometimes vote for a Democrat (I will not vote for an incompetent or crazy person just because they are a Republican.) I support business and free trade that makes sure that the USA gets a fair deal in the trade agreements. (Bill Clinton, the God of the Democrats, has cost us about a million jobs with NAFTA.)

Let me elaborate a bit on how our elected “leaders” are working for the constituency. Please note that I did not single out any party or politician; there's enough blame to go around for everyone.

Two days ago, at the Fed Board meeting, several of the governors started pushing for the an increase in the interest rate. You might say that this will have little effect on you because you are not intending to borrow any money soon. But! I'm sure that you have read or heard about our failing infrastructure. I'm sure that you have read or heard about how the interest rate of the Fed has been about zero for the past several years. I'm sure that you have read or heard about the high unemployment rate that has been around for the past several years.

Recently, I read that there are 3,500,000 people that are unemployed. Many have seen their unemployment benefits run out and many have given up on finding a job. A recent report says that there are 2.5 applicants for every available job. (Please note that these figures can be and are manipulated by whoever is presenting them to make their case seem better.) Let's assume that that 3.5 million figure above is correct. If we could get those people back to work at $25,000 per year ( not a huge salary, only $12.02 per hour) it would generate over $87.4 billion a year in salaries. At 15%, this would bring in $13.125 billion in taxes. This does not take into consideration the costs to the government caused by the lack of self-respect and despair that every unemployed person experiences to some degree or other. This does not take into effect the savings to the government in the reduction of food stamps, unemployment insurance, lower crime, Medicaid, and all of the other benefits that the unemployed need. This probably is equal to or greater than the taxes that would be generated by putting all of those people back to work.

The problem is how to get those people back to work. Now we can get back to the infrastructure. If our “leaders” had the interests of the country at heart the infrastructure would have been the “hot button issue” in Congress for the past several years. Remember the I-35W bridge collapse that killed 17 people a few years ago? Remember New Orleans after Katrina? The bulk of Katrina had already passed New Orleans and then the levees failed and flooded New Orleans. Both were failures of engineering as well as failing to maintain and upgrade the infrastructure.

A world-class infrastructure is necessary for maintaining and growing an economy of any country. Business tends to gravitate to the area that allows the movement of goods and products without undue expenses. Talk to anyone who travels to other countries and they will tell you about how the other country's airports and highways are so much better than our airports and highways are. Our ports are second rate and failing fast. We are talking (and talking and talking) about building ultra high speed rail lines. Romania (a Communist country a few years ago) has 4 of them. India is starting to build huge infrastructure projects, positioning itself to become a huge player in the world economy. China has built many projects that have propelled them past the United States and it is doubtful that we will ever catch up.

Our “leaders” could have borrowed money to build the world-class infrastructure at near zero cost the past few years. (The remarks by the Fed governors might be signaling that that window is fast closing.)
Although inflation is super low, it is there in fact. This inflation would have made the cost of the money we borrowed to build and maintain a world-class infrastructure even cheaper, and inflation in the successive years would have made the money cheaper still. The fact that the improved infrastructure would grow the economy and create more jobs and wealth, thereby create more taxes and reduce the need for benefits, would make the money cheaper still.

Another place that our “leaders” have failed the citizens is in education. The US ranks 27th in the world in math and science. For some reason, education is the first thing that is cut when the politicians want to cut taxes. Sadly our children will feel this more than we will. We do have great higher education institutions and we are training the engineers and scientists for the countries that are competing with us for a piece of the economic pie. Many of the business people and scientists in China have Harvard, Princeton or Stamford rings on their fingers. For some reason people in the US do not care that we are educating ourselves into a second rate spot in the economic world.

One area that I personally feel that our leaders have let us down is our military and our wars. Our military expenditures are about 39% of the world's total military expenditures. We build planes, tanks and other equipment that the Pentagon does not want or need. Much of what we build is outdated and out of touch with the new missions of the US military. Think of the wars we have fought:

Viet Nam
Grenada (To save medical students who say they didn't need saving.)
Panama ( Invade a country to get one man?)
Iraq (2)
Afghanistan (With a leader that says he'd rather deal with the Taliban than the US.)

Did any of these wars need to be fought to save the United States from being invaded? Now, some in Congress are salivating over invading Iran. Saudi Arabia is worried about Iran's nuclear ambitions. Where is their military? They have more money than we do (oil) why don't they spend their money to keep themselves safe. I am a veteran but I am getting tired of putting ourselves in debt to prop up some dictator or to free some people only to have those people turn on us and kill our military. Too many of us forget that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were fought on borrowed money. (Remember the lie that Iraq's oil would pay for the war?)

There is much more that I could put into this post but I”m sure you get what I am saying.
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By RealJustme
#36975
Another place that our “leaders” have failed the citizens is in education. The US ranks 27th in the world in math and science.
There is one area our public education ranks high, we're #1 in spending per student. Our leaders have sold out the students to the teacher's unions for one reason...teachers can vote, students can't. Our education system needs to be privatized and get schools back to teaching instead of fund raising. We probably spend 3 times more on education than we should be spending, one thing is certain, dumping money on the schools just made the education of our students worse.
Recently, I read that there are 3,500,000 people that are unemployed. The problem is how to get those people back to work. Now we can get back to the infrastructure.
What happened to all those shovel ready jobs Obama promised if he was given 900 billion to work on the infrastructure? The money was spent but the infrastructure wasn't touched, where did the money go? It didn't go our infrastructure it went to the teacher's unions, UAW unions, his friends starting up green businesses that took the money and closed their businesses, etc. All that money spent and our Country is worse off plus our students grew even more stupid. Sure lets give more money to Obama to use on the infrastructure :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey I noticed you left out the Keystone pipeline as means of helping our Country, your whole discussion is about spending but no where about creating jobs, or cutting through red tape or reducing taxes on businesses so they can grow and hire people, what gives?

Oh by the way since you're a Republican I'm a Democrat. ;)
By snakeoil
#36977
As to the Keystone Pipeline jobs, there is this from Forbes:
In January of 2010, Trans-Canada CEO Russell Girling claimed that the project would produce 13,000 construction jobs. In April of 2011 the number grew to 20,000, which the Canadian Ambassador reiterated in August 2011. In January 2012 the number was revised back down to 13,000 and this past April the company revised that number even lower, to 9,000 construction jobs. Meanwhile, both the federal government and the Global Labor Institute at Cornell University’s College of Industrial and Labor Relations examined TransCanada’s application and made their own job creation estimates, at 6,000-6,500 and 2,500-4,500 respectively. A State Department study projects only 35 permanent jobs in pipeline maintenance and inspection. Although it seems likely that the Keystone XL Pipeline’s application will eventually be approved by the Obama Administration, firmer numbers will not be available until the project gets underway
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysourc ... ystone-xl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please don't fall for the hype about Keystone. The main purpose of the project is to get Canadian tar sand oil to a port for trans-shipment to other countries. Canada is attempting to use the USA for this purpose along with all of the risks to our environment being born by the USA. This was stated as such by a Canadian minister.
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By brandon
#36981
I saw that Brandon chastised me a few days ago for not answering his post in a timely manner. Sorry Brandon, I don't live on this board as some seem to do.

I use this board as entertainment; reading the comments of those who have little knowledge of just how complex the world and commerce is and how the actions of other governments can affect us. Occasionally I check in to throw something out there to “stir up the troops.”
Geez Snake, I just asked you for a few thoughts of yours on your own thread topic. (They Know Not What They Do)

Why start a thread with no intention of discussion?
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By RealJustme
#36982
The main purpose of the project is to get Canadian tar sand oil to a port for trans-shipment to other countries. Canada is attempting to use the USA for this purpose along with all of the risks to our environment being born by the USA. This was stated as such by a Canadian minister.
I doubt the Canadian minister said the purpose with all of the risks to our environment being born by the USA. :roll:

As far as sending it through the USA for trans-shipment, who cares it's US jobs and in the event something happens we need the oil, we can buy it rather than them having to ship it to another Country, a win, win for us and Canada.
The State Department's latest report reiterated that Keystone XL would be the safest pipeline ever built in the U.S. - All five federal reviews have concluded that this pipeline won't have an adverse impact on the environment or on greenhouse gas emissions. The heavy oil from the oil sands is less carbon intensive than oil currently produced in California." seema.mehta@latimes.com
By snakeoil
#36985
Brandon-That fisrst paragraph was an aside. As to discussion, there is a lot here to discuss:

a. How to get our people back to work.

b. How to repair, maintain and improve our infrastructure.

c. The totally unncessesary keystone pipeline.

d. Our over bloated military and the waste of our military resources.

e. Our unneccessary wars that Congress seems to find for us.

f. Fixing our broken education system.

Plus what I didn't put in my OP (I got tired of typing.)

a. Why don't we have a ten year plan for sustainable growth?

b. How can we stop the devisiveness in US politics so that we can get something done. (Read Chris Matthews book "Tip And The Gipper".)

c. Why aren't we supporting our research as we once did? ( Many of today's high tech products are a result of pure Science research.)

e. How can we stop the steady decline in the middle class. (Forbes Magazine stated that 400 people control the economy of the USA.) (This does not mean that 400 people have all of the money.)

f. When are the shareholders going to rise up against the bloated CEO salaries? (J. P. Morgan has been fined $20 billion for their illegal and unethical practices but gave Jamie Dimon (CEO) a 74% raise)

g. When are we going to get campaign finance reform? (I read a report where some are starting LLC's to enable them to contribute unlimited money to cnadidates without having to disclose where the money came from.)

h. When are we going to realize that corporations ARE NOT people and do not have every right that our citizens do?

Is that enough meat for discussion?
By johnforbes
#36991
In researching a family history, I've been exploring the history of the 79th ("Cross of Lorraine").

My uncle won a DSC near Verdun on November 10, 1918. The next morning, on a stretcher in dense fog at 11 am on the 11th day of the 11th month -- he heard cheering as the armistice ended the fighting.

The Meuse-Argonne Offensive was an attempt to end the war. Back then, the modern concept of sending a tiny force and not even trying to win, that was unknown.

In Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a dozen others, the US did not even attempt to pit the total force of our society against that of an enemy.

So what is the mission of the modern military? To have gays and women in combat to prove some liberal agenda point?

In Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, there was no plan for victory, no clear military goals, no idea to crush the enemy, and no coherent exit plan.

As America goes from a great country into what Obama wants -- a weak, stagnant mess of socialism -- what is the point?
By snakeoil
#37834
Just saw the replies to my post.

John, as to the wars you listed and claimed that supports Obama's liberal agenda, he did not initiate those conflicts.

Justme, when you list the countries that spend less than us you must realize tha t the salaries and cost of living is much lower in many of those countries. This would account for many of the countries spending less than us. Sadly, that does not really explain our dismal ranking.
By johnforbes
#37839
Over the weekend, local TV runs its weekly academic quiz show with local high school students.

They (8 student, presumably the best in their schools) had never read The Count of Monte Cristo, couldn't identify Dickens as the author of a famous book, and they only came alive on a Venus Williams question.

What the heck are kids "learning" in high school -- how to text about the Kardasians?
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