[elklindo69]

That started when Ham asserted that creationism was not only an acceptable option for explaining the beginning of the planet, but the only option.

"Creation is the only viable model of historical science confirmed by observational science in today's modern scientific era," Ham said.

That was Ham's key message throughout the night, and within it is another message he tried to get across throughout the evening: That there is a difference between science based on what we can observe today and science that tries to detail what happened in the past, such as any scientific theory that can prove the Earth is several billion years old as opposed to a mere 6,000 years young, as Ham and Young Earth Creationists believe. It is essentially a "pics or it didn't happen" theory, a statement that says if you weren't there, you can't prove it, something he also said throughout the night

http://mashable.com/2014/02/05/bill-nye-ken-ham-debate/

[Clownkicker]

Talking to Ham is just like talking to johnforbes.

johnforbes knows that Bill Nye just has a "false certitude" about a 4.4 billion year old planet and that anyone can say it is 6000 years old with just as much "certitude" because we can't actually know anything.

johnforbes is a victim of philosophy professors who told him his epistemology of theoretical ignorance negates the everyday experience everyone has.
To johnforbes, Ham just has a different opinion that is as valid as anyone else's.

I wonder if anyone bothers to tell Ham that he wasn't there when God supposedly dictated the Bible and neither was anyone else alive today, so he doesn't know it's actually the word of God any more than he claims others lack evidence for an older Earth.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why all these Bible nuts have so much faith in a bunch of Catholics centuries ago who decided what was and was not the word of God, but at the same time they have the hypocrisy to reject Catholicism as the true faith.
If Catholics are wrong today about what God said, then why are they so convinced that Catholics were somehow infallibly right a few centuries ago about what God said?
The fundamental premise of Bible nuts (that we the Bible is the unerring word of God) is a contradiction that cannot be overcome, even if you try to humor them by not laughing them off the stage from the start.

[elklindo69]

It's ludicrous for Ham to claim the bible is a proxy for science.

Biblical and scientific studies are mutually independent. People study the bible to understand the relationships that people have with each other and God. Scientific research is to understand the physical aspects of the universe. Even Catholics know that the age of the earth is more than 6000 years, and it's not even disputed. In the bible it says that the earth and universe were created in 6 days. We all know that it was not created in six days, as we understand six days. A day in the proper context is really a phase of an undefined amount of time, not 24 hours as we know it.

Ham has too much invested into his ideology to make a turn around. This guy is not going to shut down his museum...

[johnforbes]

No matter how ya slice it, the Ham references are pure baloney.