Political discussions about everything
By BilboBagend
#28105
When the Congress of the United States creates a budget with or without the signature of the President of the United States the Congress creates either a budget deficit, a balanced budget, or a budget surplus. In light of the fact that revenues are not completely predictable, the balanced budget is a fantasy. The President, as chief administrator, has the responsibility of spending the funds authorized by the Congress in the budget as described in the budget. The President may also make suggestions to Congress on items that he thinks should be included in the budget. on suggestiuonh son the budget as a whole and in detail as he sees fit. Spending bills are required by the Constitution to start in the House and be approved by the Senate. They may be passed either with or without the President's signature. The budget is a Constitutional construct.

The deficit limit is a non-Constitutional construct. As such the details of it's use may be changed by Congress at any time without approval of the people of the United States as it was created without approval of the people of the United States. It is an extremely useful construct as a tool to monitor the financial health of the United States government. Though the debt and the deficit as a fraction of the GDP and GNP are much more useful concepts. Approval or disapproval of the national debt limit does not create nor destroy debt or deficits. The budget produced by the Congress creates debt and deficits.

Failure to approve the debt limit under the current law creates nothing more than the inability of the United States Government to borrow funds and probably puts the government into default. It does not change either the debt or the deficit. It does destroy the credibility and credit of the United States government and more than likely would throw the world wide economy into a deep depression. All for a non-Constitutional administrative construct meant to make sure Congress is informed of what it is doing when it creates a budget and thereby creates either a deficit or a surplus in spending.

Deficit spending is best utilized when their is slow economic growth so as to increase investment and the economic growth rate. Surplus is best utilized when economic growth is high and surplus funds are available to buy down the debt without harming the economy.

Pushing the apple cart swiftly and strongly in any direction usually only achieves throwing over the apple cart and spilling all the apples on the ground.
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By RealJustme
#28109
On April 2, 2013, debt held by the public was approximately $11.959 trillion or about 75% of GDP. Intragovernmental holdings stood at $4.846 trillion, giving a combined total public debt of $16.805 trillion. As of January 2013, $5.6 trillion or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreign investors, the largest of which were the People's Republic of China and Japan at just over $1.1 trillion each. Debt under Obama has increased more than all other Presidents combined and is accelerating faster each year Obama remains in office. Thus far Obama's only solution to budget vs debt ceiling is to increase the debt ceiling every time the ceiling is reached.
By sillydaddy
#28123
When Obama was first elected....he did say things were going to get worse before they got better...... To me, that meant HE was going to make thing worse.........so far he has kept that one promise .
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By RealJustme
#28128
When Obama was first elected....he did say things were going to get worse before they got better...... To me, that meant HE was going to make thing worse.........so far he has kept that one promise .
Yes Obama has been true to his word on that promise to make things worse. In 2014 the GOP will take back the Senate and in 2016 the GOP will have the White House, the Senate and the House. Then things will start to get better after they appeals Obamacare, clean house in the IRS, DOJ and the EPA.
By Clownkicker
#28145
"When Obama was first elected....he did say things were going to get worse before they got better...... To me, that meant HE was going to make thing worse..."-sillydaddy

^^^^^^Thank you for one more fine example of the gross stupidity and ignorance of the Right.
A few more like that and I'll convince johnforbes of the truth of my assertion.
By Clownkicker
#28146
"When the weatherman told me a storm was coming before the good weather set in, I took that to mean HE was going to cause the storm."-sillydodo


Duuuuhh, yup, makes sense to me....
I'm RealJustme and I'm a Republican.
By BilboBagend
#28148
The total shit of the malicious, delusional, and stupid. Not one willing or able to address issues and consequences. Just pure political bias and distortions. No economics at all.

Then again. That is all one can expect from these clowns.
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By RealJustme
#28152
The total shit of the malicious, delusional, and stupid. Not one willing or able to address issues and consequences. Just pure political bias and distortions. No economics at all.

Then again. That is all one can expect from these clowns.
Shirley, that's what I've saying all along about the Obama Administration, glad you're waking up. ;)
By sillydaddy
#28167
That's right clown !....I blame Obama for things getting worse........He said it because he knew he had no plan, no ideas, he took office completely unprepared and that 's HIS fault! Now in every speech he raises his voice and blames Washington ! .....as if Washington was some foreign entity the cause of this nation's troubles. And you idiots are still defending him......because after all he's the first black President of the United States of America and he can't do no wrong! GLORY BE !!!
And curses on all those racists that dare to utter a word against him!
By Leroy
#28182
BilboBagend wrote:When the Congress of the United States creates a budget with or without the signature of the President of the United States the Congress creates either a budget deficit, a balanced budget, or a budget surplus. In light of the fact that revenues are not completely predictable, the balanced budget is a fantasy.

And yet so many PEOPLE and SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS manage to run a Budget that doesn't continually put them in debt.
By elklindo69
#28183
Leroy wrote:
BilboBagend wrote:When the Congress of the United States creates a budget with or without the signature of the President of the United States the Congress creates either a budget deficit, a balanced budget, or a budget surplus. In light of the fact that revenues are not completely predictable, the balanced budget is a fantasy.

And yet so many PEOPLE and SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS manage to run a Budget that doesn't continually put them in debt.
The financial crisis of 2008 was caused by the default of private not government debt.
By BilboBagend
#28289
Elk,

It's just liar leroy's meaningless attempt at distraction and distortion.

Almost all businesses run on debt. Start with debt. Debt increases year to year for most successful businesses.

Most people have debt. Debt most often increases during their lifetime.

States plan and balance their budgets. Their plans almost always include increased debt.

Simple economics:

It is best to increase debt during bad times.
It is best to pay down debt in prosperous times.

It debt will help you grow your income, either personal or business, then it is good to take on more debt.

One must be very careful to plan out cash flows. Cash is king.


Everything liar leroy posts is pure bigoted malice and most often completely false. The remaining times it is meaningless fodder meant to sound like it has some relevance though it does not.
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By RealJustme
#28292
Almost all businesses run on debt. Start with debt. Debt increases year to year for most successful businesses
I've heard a lot of talking points to try and justify Obama's every increasing debt, but to say businesses strive for debt is the best one yet! :lol:
By elklindo69
#28294
RealJustme wrote:
Almost all businesses run on debt. Start with debt. Debt increases year to year for most successful businesses
I've heard a lot of talking points to try and justify Obama's every increasing debt, but to say businesses strive for debt is the best one yet! :lol:
The corporate bond market has been on fire for the past 5 or so years.

They must not have told you about that on the Faux news network......................

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:
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By RealJustme
#28300
The corporate bond market has been on fire for the past 5 or so years.
I agree we need smaller Government and more capitalism. Businesses are succeeded despite of our Government which is trashing the public sector.
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