[BilboBagend]

Is Anything Stopping a Truly Massive Build-Out of Desert Solar Power?

Engineers and industry agree that although challenges abound in utility-scale solar in the sunniest places on Earth, we have the technology to go big in the desert

By Dave Levitan

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... P_20130708

[Leroy]

Is Anything Stopping a Truly Massive Build-Out of Desert Solar Power?

Engineers and industry agree that although challenges abound in utility-scale solar in the sunniest places on Earth, we have the technology to go big in the desert

By Dave Levitan

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... P_20130708

Yes, Democrats that are in charge (regulations, land-use, laws, EPA, etc...) of US locations that could be used block the ability to build Solar Power stations all over the USA.

[Leroy]

If you go back and look, over the decades, it's been the Democrats that have blocked the development of Solar projects in the USA, not to mention that almost every failed solar company (that received "Green Energy" loans from the Obama program) donated heavily to Democrat politicians and groups.

[RealJustme]

Is Anything Stopping a Truly Massive Build-Out of Desert Solar Power?

Hell those millions of undocumented workers are stealing solar panels off of occupied homes within days of them being installed in parts of California. Plus stripping the plumbing and copper wiring out of our schools and public buildings across the West what makes you think they won't steal the solar panels and wiring in the desert? They'll steal/destroy a million dollars worth of panels if they can make 500 bucks.

[BilboBagend]

More bullshit from our two most prolific delusional liars.

It's about technology.

[Leroy]

More bullshit from our two most prolific delusional liars.

It's about technology.

No, it's about the fact that democrats won't allow permits to build solar installations in desert areas in the USA.

[Alogicalman]

If it's a private businesses and people who want to invest in a venture of solar power panels in the desert I'm fine with it, but if it requires me to pay for it through taxes I want a say in the matter. I want to know more about supporting documents and plans on the venture before they take one dime more from me. I had solar panels installed on my home 10 years ago at a cost of over 18K, I had nothing but problems with them and they never produced enough power for my home, 6 years later they told me I needed to replace most of the old panels with new ones at an additional 7K, I had the panels removed. All together I spent over 25K on the panels and repairs, reviewing my power bills over that period I got less than $400.00 in total energy savings. Oh, I did get a tax write off though.

[Leroy]

ALM - and that's the problem, many of the privately funded, without green loans, have tried, for more than a decade, to build solar farms in our desert areas, they get to the point that they need access to state/federal lands to get their produced energy to a grid and they are blocked every time by democrat politicians, regulators, the liberal epa, etc...

[Leroy]

If it's a private businesses and people who want to invest in a venture of solar power panels in the desert I'm fine with it, but if it requires me to pay for it through taxes I want a say in the matter. I want to know more about supporting documents and plans on the venture before they take one dime more from me. I had solar panels installed on my home 10 years ago at a cost of over 18K, I had nothing but problems with them and they never produced enough power for my home, 6 years later they told me I needed to replace most of the old panels with new ones at an additional 7K, I had the panels removed. All together I spent over 25K on the panels and repairs, reviewing my power bills over that period I got less than $400.00 in total energy savings. Oh, I did get a tax write off though.

I looked at solar electric several times, to provide 1800kw/month, about half of my peak needs, and found that there was no payback, assuming a 25 year replacement life on the solar panels, and a 5 year replacement life on batteries (since they don't last much longer than that), not including any failures of the converter system.

At this time, starting last year, they've come out with better controllers that make better use of the solar power at dawn and dusk, so it's getting close for most areas in the USA. Look up MPPT controllers and the new solar (20v) panels that go with them. You can even use your old 12v/24v panels in a MPPT based system.

[BilboBagend]

Does liar leroy ever have anything rational and truthful to say or is it mandated by his personality to simply put out all this bullshit founded in malice?

[BilboBagend]

BTW: Most regulation that have made it into law that make things extremely complicated have been put into legilation BY large corporation as a competitive advantage and a wall again entrepreneurship.

Like the legal prohibitions in all states that does not let Tesla sell direct to customers as a car manufacturer, but requires a dealer network independent of the car company thereby increasing costs to the consumer.

Then there is the very simple fact that GWB de facto deregulated both wall street and industry by cutting enforcement budgets and personnel and increasing paperwork budgets and personal.

The fireworks factory in Texas has recently failed it's regulatory requirements not because it had failed an inspection but because it failed to file paperwork properly and on time. It had NOT been inspected in over a decade, more like 2.

All this too much regulation talk is pure bullshit. The wrong regulation. Lack of coordination in regulations. Too much industry written regulations. That is the real truth, But, NOT too much regulation. Actually, too little real active effective regulation.

The tail wags thew dog.

[elklindo69]

It's more intelligent to build solar panels in the desert than it is to build oil pipelines for the Canadians to transport their oil through US territories.

Conservatives now claim that Obama is waging a war against coal. Even though coal usage has been in terminal decline for decades in the United States...

Solar and Wind over coal any day...

[RealJustme]

It's more intelligent to build solar panels in the desert than it is to build oil pipelines for the Canadians to transport their oil through US territories.

It may make a liberal feel better about themselves but it's certainly not more intelligent.

[Leroy]

It's more intelligent to build solar panels in the desert than it is to build oil pipelines for the Canadians to transport their oil through US territories.

Conservatives now claim that Obama is waging a war against coal. Even though coal usage has been in terminal decline for decades in the United States...

Solar and Wind over coal any day...

I see that you're showing the distraction method, claim a bunch of crap and hope that people miss the point that we're not building Solar Farms in our deserts because democrats vote/legislate them into failure or hold up permits for decades.

[brandon]

That's an interesting perspective Bilbo. But I can't easily see it as so partisan and one sided as you do. I have to believe that most politicians regardless of party are going to support the industry of their state's constituency like coal, steel, or farming or manufacturing, etc. And I would wager that the voting records of those pols would reflect that. Your statement seems a bit extreme and stereotypical. Not like a balanced, reasonable response from someone with a PHD.


Maybe you should chill with the name calling and labeling everybody as an extremist and reactionary.

[elklindo69]

It's more intelligent to build solar panels in the desert than it is to build oil pipelines for the Canadians to transport their oil through US territories.

It may make a liberal feel better about themselves but it's certainly not more intelligent.

What's more intelligent from a renewable energy source perspective than utilizing solar panels in areas of the nation where there is sun and wind farms off the coasts?

Coal???

[Leroy]

What's more intelligent from a renewable energy source perspective than utilizing solar panels in areas of the nation where there is sun and wind farms off the coasts?

Coal???

You don't seem to know a lot about the Solar/Wind energy programs, technical data, viability in areas of the country.

Coal is still the best option we have for continuous, reliable, strong, US MADE, power in this country.

Solar is not affordable, and it's not reliable for more than half the country, but it can lessen the load on the weakened electrical grid (just imagine if the grid had to support all those electric vehicles being charged at peak times, drawing 8-20A at 120/240vac for 4-12 hours)....

Wind farm are also unreliable and, just like Solar Electric, power storage just isn't there for the large scale community/city needs, so we're back to cost effective and reliable means of producing energy.

Why haven't you taken a couple hours to research this before making comments?

[BilboBagend]

You, liar leroy, have obviously not even read the article. Then you make your usual false assertions to support your usual false arguments about events that no one is talking about.

JUst you usual consistent malevolent grummpy denial of all progress. You are a true extreme radical reactionary.

[BilboBagend]

Yes, Brandon, industry always resists new game changing technologies. Even those they develop and own.

As to the nasty comment by you. Thank you. Coming from such a totally biased source like you it is a clear complement, no matter how inaccurate. I agree, from your prejudiced, unthinking, ignorant perspective with no room for any rational discussion that is exactly as I would appear. As any honest rational person would appear.

[Leroy]

You, liar leroy, have obviously not even read the article. Then you make your usual false assertions to support your usual false arguments about events that no one is talking about.

JUst you usual consistent malevolent grummpy denial of all progress. You are a true extreme radical reactionary.

Ah, dildumb, you should just change your name to Dumbass.

Even the article states that they don't believe they can overcome the POLICY problems with getting Solar viable in deserts, and that's what I've mentioned from the start.

Nothing I've mentioned is false, untrue, or misleading, it can easily be verified and there are even tons of complaints about democrats and liberals undermining the installation of solar projects all over the country.

I'm all for Solar farms, even Wind farms (as long as they can figure out how to keep from killing thousands of birds), and a means to make them effective providers of energy for the masses - but, it's morons/idiots like you that don't understand that your democrats/liberals are the ones in the way of progress.

[Leroy]

"
WASHINGTON — California's Mojave Desert may seem ideally suited for solar energy production, but concern over what several proposed projects might do to the aesthetics of the region and its tortoise population is setting up a potential clash between conservationists and companies seeking to develop renewable energy.

Nineteen companies have submitted applications to build solar or wind facilities on a parcel of 500,000 desert acres, but "Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Friday such development would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public.

"Feinstein said Friday she intends to push legislation that would turn the land into a national monument, which would allow for existing uses to continue while preventing future development.

[BilboBagend]

No, it says there are policy problem and those are the greatest problems.

[RealJustme]

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Friday such development would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public.

"Feinstein said Friday she intends to push legislation that would turn the land into a national monument, which would allow for existing uses to continue while preventing future development.

That sucks. So why are liberals trying to say it's conservatives blocking the solar panels from being constructed there?

[RealJustme]

President Obama’s decision to designate five new national monuments is a warm farewell present to the outgoing Interior secretary, Ken Salazar, who had been trying without great success to get Mr. Obama to protect more public lands from alternative energy companies wanting to develop the land.

To designate the monuments, Mr. Obama invoked his powers under the Antiquities Act, a 1906 law that allows presidents to set aside important natural, cultural and historical sites for permanent protection, without Congressional approval.

The new monuments, announced Monday, include two significant areas: 1,000 acres in the San Juan Islands in Washington State and a much larger tract of 240,000 acres in the Rio Grande del Norte area of New Mexico where wind development companies were preparing to construct wind turbines. Obama's act halted all development by the energy companies involved. The three others are small sites of historical significance, one commemorating Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad in Maryland, another in Ohio honoring Charles Young, an early African-American graduate of West Point, and a third suggested by Vice President Joe Biden that will protect 1100 acres of open space in Delaware which was also in consideration for by energy companies for wind turbines.

[brandon]

I can remember when greedy Republican capitalists were raping the planet for profit.

Now they are the saviors of the Earth.

:lol:

[BilboBagend]

Free market Capitalism is good. That includes regulations to insure free flow of accurate information and no fraud, no harmful products, no excess harm to the environment, bearing the full cost of production including remediation of harm done, etc.

Markets managed by anyone are bad whether they are managed by a communist committee or a cabal of wealthy corporatists. Economically they are the same with the same disastrous results and the same concentration of wealth into a wealthy elite cabal.

[RealJustme]

Free market Capitalism is good.

I agree, the Government should keep our money out of it.

[Leroy]

No, it says there are policy problem and those are the greatest problems.

No, it ways that, since this is almost always a Democrat/Liberal blocking progress, blocking growth of renewable energy, lying about their support of green energy, that you're an idiot and don't really understand how two faced this really is.

[elklindo69]

Free market Capitalism is good.

I agree, the Government should keep our money out of it.

Unless it involves tax breaks for oil companies.

Duh........

[elklindo69]

No, it says there are policy problem and those are the greatest problems.

No, it ways that, since this is almost always a Democrat/Liberal blocking progress, blocking growth of renewable energy, lying about their support of green energy, that you're an idiot and don't really understand how two faced this really is.

Liberals are first for green energy.

Now they are against it?

So what is it????

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

[RealJustme]

Liberals are first for green energy.

Now they are against it?

So what is it????

Good question why are they putting land off limits to the green energy progress while handing out billions in green energy grants to their top donors who take the money and close up shop? I think I smell a rat.

[elklindo69]

Liberals are first for green energy.

Now they are against it?

So what is it????

Good question why are they putting land off limits to the green energy progress while handing out billions in green energy grants to their top donors who take the money and close up shop? I think I smell a rat.

And conservatives want to open up wildlife preserves to oil companies, while taking donations from drillers, and giving them free tax payer dollars just to do business...

What a bizzaro world we live in.

:lol:

[Leroy]

What a bizzaro world we live in.

Yes, it is bizzaro that people, liberals/econazi's, would demand renewable energy solutions and then continue to vote for the politicians that block those solutions.

[elklindo69]

What a bizzaro world we live in.

Yes, it is bizzaro that people, liberals/econazi's, would demand renewable energy solutions and then continue to vote for the politicians that block those solutions.

And to top it off, you complain that Obama will not allow for Transcanada to build their oil pipeline.

:lol:

[Leroy]

What a bizzaro world we live in.

Yes, it is bizzaro that people, liberals/econazi's, would demand renewable energy solutions and then continue to vote for the politicians that block those solutions.

And to top it off, you complain that Obama will not allow for Transcanada to build their oil pipeline.

That seem to follow what I've been saying - Democrats/Liberals/Eco-Nazi's demand energy solutions, energy independence, green energy, renewable energy, and then block their implementation.

[elklindo69]

[/quote]That seem to follow what I've been saying - Democrats/Liberals/Eco-Nazi's demand energy solutions, energy independence, green energy, renewable energy, and then block their implementation.[/quote]

So that means conservatives all of the sudden happened to turn into tree huggers?

Go back to sleep Leroy!!!

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Leroy]

That seem to follow what I've been saying - Democrats/Liberals/Eco-Nazi's demand energy solutions, energy independence, green energy, renewable energy, and then block their implementation.[/quote]

So that means conservatives all of the sudden happened to turn into tree huggers?

Go back to sleep Leroy!!!

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:[/quote]

You really love to twist words/statements in order to keep from admitting you're wrong.

[BilboBagend]

You really love to twist words/statements in order to keep from admitting you're wrong.

liar leroy

Rich!!!

ROFLMAO

[Leroy]

Is Anything Stopping a Truly Massive Build-Out of Desert Solar Power?

So, to answer the question again - YES, Democrats/Liberal politicians and officials that make it impossible for the Solar businesses to get the rights that allow them to get the Solar Energy to the people that can use it.

[BilboBagend]

Sorry liar leroy. Anyone who actually read the article would know that was a statement made at the head of the article. Then again, I don't doubt that you knew that and decided to simply tell another lie and attribute the statement to me.

Either way, you are as we all know your are. Still, liar leroy.

[Leroy]

Sorry liar leroy. Anyone who actually read the article would know that was a statement made at the head of the article. Then again, I don't doubt that you knew that and decided to simply tell another lie and attribute the statement to me.

Either way, you are as we all know your are. Still, liar leroy.

No matter how you deny the truth, it's still the truth and you're still unable to show where I'm wrong.