[Hereinakron]

I get the claim that stuff got stolen. Did it also get deleted? Backups? Was the entire site destroyed and the current staff can't restore it? Seems ignore did a lot of damage for such a minor player.... I get the feeling this site is finished.

[VWPublicRelations]

I get the claim that stuff got stolen. Did it also get deleted? Backups? Was the entire site destroyed and the current staff can't restore it? Seems ignore did a lot of damage for such a minor player.... I get the feeling this site is finished.

No deletion. Backups did exist. Stolen data was usernames and passwords. This site is not finished. I just saw it during a meeting with the technical staff-- and all I can say, is that it is out of this world.

[bk383]

By stolen, do you mean that the user names and password, in no longer in your purssion. or that VC just too a copy of the data

[augustwest]

By stolen, do you mean that the user names and password, in no longer in your purssion. or that VC just too a copy of the data

I logged into this site by using my username and password from RCBB so my guess is that the group that left took a copy. In most countries, usernames and passwords would be considered the property, perhaps intellectual property, of the company that collected and maintained that information. In that case, the company whose data was taken could characterize that action as theft or stealing. As far as barring the use of the stolen information, that depends on the jurisdiction that has the authority to decide such a case.

[rezzi]

A site that is "so out of this world" that nobody on earth can see it??? Yeah, I don't buy it!!

[Stacy69]

Hi Katherine,

If all that was taken and/or compromised was the login details of members, the VW staff should have kept the sites up and simply emailed new logins to members. There'd be no need to take the sites down for a week and do an overhaul on them. It seems like so much extra work for your technicians that is not needed. Visitors would have been happy to just continue viewing the site the way it was, with the prospect of having a brand new VW launch some time down the road.

[Hereinakron]

This all just sounds fishy. Why are they overhauling the site just because someone stole a copy of the user names and passwords? I call BS. We signed up for VW, RC, HC because we like it as if was (except MFF). No one was asking for an overhaul...

[oberon3]

Yeah, that answer doesn't hold up against the light of logic.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Hi Katherine,

If all that was taken and/or compromised was the login details of members, the VW staff should have kept the sites up and simply emailed new logins to members. There'd be no need to take the sites down for a week and do an overhaul on them. It seems like so much extra work for your technicians that is not needed. Visitors would have been happy to just continue viewing the site the way it was, with the prospect of having a brand new VW launch some time down the road.

All that was taken was the members login details and passwords and the pictures in raw format that had been submitted in the past. Compromised is a very different issue, Igor claims that he didn't damage anything when he left, but he also stated that there was no way they could get it back up in a week, so he must have known there was damage in the system. What damage, how much damage, and where are unknown (at least to us). Also since Igor seems to have been planning this for a while, that or he edited over 5000 pictures in a couple of days, there is no way of knowing how corrupted the back ups are, or what back doors were put in place.

[Stacy69]

Those are good points Jedi. I suppose my real question to VW is - did Igor damage some of the code/programming/software of VW or are other things missing that need time to replace?

I may have read things wrong, but my understanding from Katherine is that everything is intact but that logins were stolen by Igor.

If malicious things were done to the code or hardware I can understand it taking longer to get the sites back up.

Based on what Igor says, two things are missing from VW - the backend code that runs VW/RC and possibly the hardware/servers that they operated on - hence VW being hosted at Godaddy rather than a network of servers across the globe.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Those are good points Jedi. I suppose my real question to VW is - did Igor damage some of the code/programming/software of VW or are other things missing that need time to replace?

I may have read things wrong, but my understanding from Katherine is that everything is intact but that logins were stolen by Igor.

If malicious things were done to the code or hardware I can understand it taking longer to get the sites back up.

Based on what Igor says, two things are missing from VW - the backend code that runs VW/RC and possibly the hardware/servers that they operated on - hence VW being hosted at Godaddy rather than a network of servers across the globe.

Godaddy hosts the DNS addresses, not the actual servers. In Canada they are managed by UNIXbased Communications Inc on 8 server farms, in the Netherlands they are managed by TaTa Communications (Canada) ULC. Although the Netherlands site only hosts 1 domain on it's server.

You might have noticed that VC also used GoDaddy? They are running off of 2 server farms, both managed by PWZ Corp in Panama.

As for what code was damaged or is missing, I have no clue, but I trust the people here more than I trust the person who altered the T&C of VW and set up a hidden link to his new site months before trashing my little porn community.

[rugrollers]

For what it's worth, here is what is being asserted by the other side -- which, although not trustworthy, cannot necessarily be assumed to be lying at all times.

He claims that there were no booby traps, but rather the whole thing was a rats' nest of patches and elaborations with "probably around 1 million lines of coding. We started with around 200k with VW 2.0 in 2005...and then just added: VW contributors lounge, cross linking from VW to RC/HC, and and and....it was a nitemare at the end.
Now: The people who hijacked the URL and show under VW right now don't have a single line of code. What they have is a frozen version of all the sites from 9th June, thats it. Why is that? Because the code was with the 3rd parties...and is still with the 3rd parties. I can ask them to re-activate it right now, but there is no point in it, because the base architecture of the programming code is outdated and adding more and more shit to it won't help the case."

I am not really competent to judge the likely accuracy of this claim from a technical standpoint, but it at least doesn't sound implausible to me. What say you, Jedi?

[DarknLadyJedi]

I am not really competent to judge the likely accuracy of this claim from a technical standpoint, but it at least doesn't sound implausible to me. What say you, Jedi?

I don't know a damn thing about coding. I do have to wonder though if all the code is on the servers, how come Igor says they don't have any of the code if it was intact when he left?

[Stacy69]

Those are good points Jedi. I suppose my real question to VW is - did Igor damage some of the code/programming/software of VW or are other things missing that need time to replace?

I may have read things wrong, but my understanding from Katherine is that everything is intact but that logins were stolen by Igor.

If malicious things were done to the code or hardware I can understand it taking longer to get the sites back up.

Based on what Igor says, two things are missing from VW - the backend code that runs VW/RC and possibly the hardware/servers that they operated on - hence VW being hosted at Godaddy rather than a network of servers across the globe.

Godaddy hosts the DNS addresses, not the actual servers. In Canada they are managed by UNIXbased Communications Inc on 8 server farms, in the Netherlands they are managed by TaTa Communications (Canada) ULC. Although the Netherlands site only hosts 1 domain on it's server.

You might have noticed that VC also used GoDaddy? They are running off of 2 server farms, both managed by PWZ Corp in Panama.

As for what code was damaged or is missing, I have no clue, but I trust the people here more than I trust the person who altered the T&C of VW and set up a hidden link to his new site months before trashing my little porn community.

I've never understood why and how VW is hosted on so many servers in so many places. It doesn't take more than 8 - 10 servers to host VW and all associated sites.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Dark,

You good at checking facts?

Better dig deeper.

H

Deeper on which facts? Honestly everything I am giving is coming from public records or the source I list (either VW or VC).

The main facts I found, that aren't personal, are listed at http://www.voyeurweb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=437

But I would be happy to try and verify any facts you want to shoot my way.

[VWPublicRelations]

So did Igor leave or did everybody but "the owner" leave? It feels like the same community and people over there that used to be here. Here there is Katherine whom i've never heard of until now. To be honest, this place feels like a vacant building where a business used to be.

That's my skepticism about the greater than ever revamp. Igor isn't missing a beat with his site. You can make an impressive site but if you dont have the community to fill it with...

If Kathleen and co. Is telling the truth and they've got true ownership of VW and all it's assets, they might be able to shut them down and recover. But if they were all partners and 75% of them left, and "the owner" doesn't have clear legal ownership, and is having to hire new "everyone" to build it from the ground up, then that makes a whole different ballgame.


I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but to me, both sides have stated explanations that make sense from their POV. It all hinges on the truth behind the scenes and I guess we'll find out when it all plays out.

BTW thank you Katherine for answering my previous post. Sorry some of my statements were off,but i'd just read a bunch of posts in a flurry, and speculation danced in my head.

Some of your statement are still off. No partnership. Just ownership. This is not a vacant building. I am here and there are about 5 other people still working at this time of the night. Stop speculating -- you are way off!

[DarknLadyJedi]

So did Igor leave or did everybody but "the owner" leave? It feels like the same community and people over there that used to be here. Here there is Katherine whom i've never heard of until now. To be honest, this place feels like a vacant building where a business used to be.

That's my skepticism about the greater than ever revamp. Igor isn't missing a beat with his site. You can make an impressive site but if you dont have the community to fill it with...

If Kathleen and co. Is telling the truth and they've got true ownership of VW and all it's assets, they might be able to shut them down and recover. But if they were all partners and 75% of them left, and "the owner" doesn't have clear legal ownership, and is having to hire new "everyone" to build it from the ground up, then that makes a whole different ballgame.

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but to me, both sides have stated explanations that make sense from their POV. It all hinges on the truth behind the scenes and I guess we'll find out when it all plays out.

BTW thank you Katherine for answering my previous post. Sorry some of my statements were off,but i'd just read a bunch of posts in a flurry, and speculation danced in my head.

Igor claims that JA had nothing to do with VW for 7 years, but continued to be given the master passwords. Then in February JA changed those passwords and the real owner of the site didn't bother to change them back. Igor claims that VW was really a network of people who built the site and managed everything independent of each other.

Igor has other interests, in which he has clearly defined business plans, contracts, ect. And yet he would have you believe that his business model for VW is built on pure chaos.

Igor claims that all these 3rd party individuals are with him, he claims that a large number of "refugees" were in contact with him and knew about the planned move. None of these people have stepped forward to support his statements.

Igor claims that he has a law firm that is going to put up all the legal information to prove everything he has said, it will be up any day now ... it's going to be there for everyone to see ... and this was going to be right away, last week.

But the most damning thing IMHO, is that Igor claims that every member of this huge mass of chaotic 3rd parties has equal footing to use images submitted to VW in any fashion they want because they were part of the VW community.

He also says it's perfectly fine to post material from VW, as long as that material doesn't actually have the VW logo on it. Because he expects to be dealing with the legal issues between VW and himself for years before it ever gets settled, by his own admission.

Like Redcloudslover, who claims to have a huge following, Igor claims to have all these people backing him from VW, yet none of them have come forward to say that they are.

In the meantime Igor has taken all these images from VW and sold them to Simon so that Simon can get his site up and running with the support of Igor, before Igor slowly disappears into the background laughing all the way to the bank.

[TrunkMonkey]

All this discussion about who did what and said this and that.......wow! You all must be the same people who slow down and look at the flashing lights on the side of the road, or want to see a dead person in a car wreck. Why is the latest gossip so noteworthy to anyone? I mean who really cares what the real issue that the two parties have parted ways amicably or otherwise.

Being an IT person for over 14 years, I can say most of you don't have a clue about what it takes to run a website or even build one for that matter. Hell if they can get the site up by this coming Sunday, I say they have done a hell of a job and worked their ass off. As far as coding goes, when a programmer writes code, they always write in back doors or admin accounts in the event they leave they can fuck the place they worked for. Most IT professionals have standards and ethics, but then there are some that have that F all you attitudes. It's unfortunate that takes place, and it takes a huge amount of resources to fix if it has ever happened to your company or website as it did this one.

As far as posts I see from "mark".......it's obvious you have a connection with VC or whatever the hell that site is. Either way you bore me with every posting I see of yours. It's time for you to move on.

[VWPublicRelations]

All this discussion about who did what and said this and that.......wow! You all must be the same people who slow down and look at the flashing lights on the side of the road, or want to see a dead person in a car wreck. Why is the latest gossip so noteworthy to anyone? I mean who really cares what the real issue that the two parties have parted ways amicably or otherwise.

Being an IT person for over 14 years, I can say most of you don't have a clue about what it takes to run a website or even build one for that matter. Hell if they can get the site up by this coming Sunday, I say they have done a hell of a job and worked their ass off. As far as coding goes, when a programmer writes code, they always write in back doors or admin accounts in the event they leave they can fuck the place they worked for. Most IT professionals have standards and ethics, but then there are some that have that F all you attitudes. It's unfortunate that takes place, and it takes a huge amount of resources to fix if it has ever happened to your company or website as it did this one.

As far as posts I see from "mark".......it's obvious you have a connection with VC or whatever the hell that site is. Either way you bore me with every posting I see of yours. It's time for you to move on.

You guys should have seen how ridiculous this dude "marks" was earlier this evening. Posting the same message over and over as I would delete one, he would post another - wanting to see a screenshot-- like as if this is something that we are doing to get an approval from him. Just fuckin' crazy how much time he has on his hands. "Idle hand is devil's work"

[rockclimber]

Sheesh Katherine,
Go to bed!!
Its 2 AM!

A small suggestion...

Move the Forums link higher on the single page you have up. Add a Montage of some selected Pictures Sure would be easy to do methinks...?


Insert Beagle Smiley Here.....
:lol:

[cancun685]

1. I just want it back the way it was and without the MFF!
2. If you can not do that then tell us and get it over.
3. Tell us now, like this week!
4. We were told Sunday and then not Sunday but not given a new date!

[rugrollers]

In the meantime Igor has taken all these images from VW and sold them to Simon so that Simon can get his site up and running with the support of Igor, before Igor slowly disappears into the background laughing all the way to the bank.

Not to quibble with your succinct summary of the current status and knowledge, DJ -- most of which I agree with -- but we don't know that Igor sold all the VW content to Simon, do we? Or do we?

He may have, but from what I understand of the look of that site before the VW meltdown, they may not have been in any position to pay him much for it. And I think there's got to be more behind this than a profit motive on Igor's part. Would it really be worth the endless legal issues and possibility of damaging his professional career? More like a feud between former friends, or a matter of power. Igor may well believe that he has moved the community to a "safe harbor." But instead of asking us to join him he conscripted us by putting up our content elsewhere, thereby totally violating our trust as well as the copyrights he was supposedly committed to protecting.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Not to quibble with your succinct summary of the current status and knowledge, DJ -- most of which I agree with -- but we don't know that Igor sold all the VW content to Simon, do we? Or do we?

I don't know for sure. But seeing as how Igor openly admits to not owning or having anything directly to do with VC he is setting himself up for the legal battle no matter what.

If he is telling the truth about everything then he still gave the images to a non-VW site, so still violated.

But after finding out about Ipay, I seriously think this was a grab for cash on Igor's part. He had to have expected people to stop looking deeper and to have just accepted the little bits of information he provided. Otherwise he wouldn't have pushed the idea that JA did the power grab and cash grab, when he already had both the power and the cash control.