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WASHINGTON (AP) — Worldwide levels of the chief greenhouse gas that causes global warming have hit a milestone, reaching an amount never before encountered by humans, federal scientists said Friday.Carbon dioxide was measured at 400 parts per million at the oldest monitoring station which is in Hawaii sets the global benchmark. The last time the worldwide carbon level was probably that high was about 2 million years ago, said Pieter Tans of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

That was during the Pleistocene Era. "It was much warmer than it is today," Tans said. "There were forests in Greenland. Sea level was higher, between 10 and 20 meters (33 to 66 feet)."Other scientists say it may have been 10 million years ago that Earth last encountered this much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The first modern humans only appeared in Africa about 200,000 years ago. The measurement was recorded Thursday and it is only a daily figure, the monthly and yearly average will be smaller. The number 400 has been anticipated by climate scientists and environmental activists for years as a notable indicator, in part because it's a round number — not because any changes in man-made global warming happen by reaching it.

"Physically, we are no worse off at 400 ppm than we were at 399 ppm," Princeton University climate scientist Michael Oppenheimer said. "But as a symbol of the painfully slow pace of measures to avoid a dangerous level of warming, it's somewhat unnerving."

When measurements of carbon dioxide were first taken in 1958, it measured 315 parts per million. Some scientists and environmental groups promote 350 parts per million as a safe level for CO2, but scientists acknowledge they don't really know what levels would stop the effects of global warming. The level of carbon dioxide in the air is rising faster than in the past decades, despite international efforts by developed nations to curb it. On average the amount is growing by about 2 parts per million per year. That's 100 times faster than at the end of the Ice Age.

Back then, it took 7,000 years for carbon dioxide to reach 80 parts per million, Tans said. Because of the burning of fossil fuels, such as oil and coal, carbon dioxide levels have gone up by that amount in just 55 years. Before the Industrial Revolution, carbon dioxide levels were around 280 ppm, and they were closer to 200 during the Ice Age, which is when sea levels shrank and polar places went from green to icy. There are natural ups and downs of this greenhouse gas, which comes from volcanoes and decomposing plants and animals. But that's not what has driven current levels so high, Tans said. He said the amount should be even higher, but the world's oceans are absorbing quite a bit, keeping it out of the air.

"What we see today is 100 percent due to human activity," said Tans, a NOAA senior scientist. The burning of fossil fuels, such as coal for electricity and oil for gasoline, has caused the overwhelming bulk of the man-made increase in carbon in the air, scientists say.
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People who bring this topic up always do so with some smug sense of superiority. As if it were somehow the fault of the people they are lecturing to. And when you ask them, they are unable to provide a solution to this great crisis they are so deeply concerned with.

I'd bet that Socklindo69's clothes dryer is running right now and he is sitting in traffic in a brand new automobile with the air on paying his giant electric bill on a phone.

STFU asshole.

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brandon wrote:People who bring this topic up always do so with some smug sense of superiority. As if it were somehow the fault of the people they are lecturing to. And when you ask them, they are unable to provide a solution to this great crisis they are so deeply concerned with.

I'd bet that Socklindo69's clothes dryer is running right now and he is sitting in traffic in a brand new automobile with the air on paying his giant electric bill on a phone.

STFU asshole.

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Solar panels can be installed in desert areas and windmills can be placed along sea shores. Alot of people don't like it, but nuclear is a safe source of energy.

No point in burning fossil fuels. They are too valuable of a resource to waste. Burning coal is contaminating the water, many edible fish species can't be consumed because of high mercury levels.

It makes no sense for conservatives ridicule the development of green energy because the technology has not evolved immediately as a fossil fuel replacement.
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No point in burning fossil fuels. They are too valuable of a resource to waste. Burning coal is contaminating the water, many edible fish species can't be consumed because of high mercury levels.

It makes no sense for conservatives ridicule the development of green energy because the technology has not evolved immediately as a fossil fuel replacement.
You talk about not burning fossil fuels or using coal then in your next sentence admit green energy hasn't evolved to replace them. So we're to use angel dust?
#23790
Ah, the argument of the intentionally, malignant ignorant, justupid.

Yes, it takes time and investment in alternative energy sources. It takes biting the bullet and using alternatives that already exist but are not being used enough. It takes developing economies of scale for alternatives, which can only happen when they are used. Yes, alternatives will never be economic equals as long as we continue to give iconic incentives to oil use, but they are already superiors when total cost of energy is considered rather than just extraction, processing, and transportation.


And the most obvious to a rational educated person. The future is not the past. Change costs pain and money. Change is necessary. The past can not be repeated forever. Failure to progress leads to complete failure. What is convienient for you is not necessarily what is good for the population or in the long term.
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Yes, it takes time and investment in alternative energy sources.
I'm fine with that as long as you don't try and force me to pay for the investments so Al Gore and others like him can become richer. Let them do the investing and when they have a product that works people will buy it but until then keep you hand off of my wallet.
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So are we supposed to burn coal until pure perfection comes along???
Good point, we have to invest in our children's future, we HAVE to invest in clean energy, we should have done it 20 years ago. Had we done it 20 year ago, there would be no need for fossil fuels and our earth would be on the path to healing. Every family can spare 50 cents a day to make it happen, that's all experts say it will cost.

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