[snakeoil]

The Oil Drum had an interesting report on the Navy's bio-fuel push. The Air force tore up the program...big time. You think you paid a lot the last time you filled up at the local gas station? How about $4454.55 a gallon for jet fuel?

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9853#more" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BilboBagend]

That's a great deal for a gallon of kerosene.

[RealJustme]

What's troubling is the Obama Administration admits that requiring 50% of the energy used by the Navy be "renewable energy" will result in additional costs and additional recources on the battle field to resupple them, they feel the good it will do for the planet over rides those concerns.

So making tree huggers happy is more important than military lifes and military budget that could be spent saving those lifes? They even admit it will result in need for additional a 40% increase in transportation resources on the battle field to transport the "renewable energy" in other words more targets on the battle field. What about letting the miltiary fight wars rather than being a guinea for the liberals' agenda?

[BilboBagend]

None combat support should use the best, most efficient, and least polluting technology available. The percentage could be much greater than 50% and have no impact on missions.

[RealJustme]

None combat support and direct combat units should use the" best" fuel sources available to accomplish the mission. There mission isn't stopping global warming and not one service member's life nore should billions in military funds be spent doing it. If we've got the extra billions lying around to pay 4X's more for fuel than what's avialable, then we should use that money to increase the salary of service members.

[Leroy]

None combat support should use the best, most efficient, and least polluting technology available. The percentage could be much greater than 50% and have no impact on missions.

Since the priority is protection of the country and our mission, considering the minor difference in pollution levels, the only factor to be considered should be BEST EFFICIENCY - and that means most use for the money.

[BilboBagend]

I would agree, best efficiency, but one must consider the total cost not just the extraction, processing and transportation costs. Fossil fuels come with immense costs that oil companies never have to pay, but are saddled on the people of the world in correcting the damage that use of fossil fuels do to us all in both the short term and the long term.

[elklindo69]

The defense department has squandered HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars on poorly managed weapons systems.

So where is the conservative outrage? OH yeah....Perhaps defense contractors just happen to develop their products in right wing congressional districts.

[RealJustme]

The defense department has squandered HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars on poorly managed weapons systems.

So where is the conservative outrage? OH yeah....Perhaps defense contractors just happen to develop their products in right wing congressional districts.

Conservatives have been saying this for years, it's the liberals that slip in the pork projects that the military say they don't need.

[Leroy]

I would agree, best efficiency, but one must consider the total cost not just the extraction, processing and transportation costs. Fossil fuels come with immense costs that oil companies never have to pay, but are saddled on the people of the world in correcting the damage that use of fossil fuels do to us all in both the short term and the long term.

And yet you support green energy programs that destroy more of our eco-systems than non-green energy programs/devices.

Just look at the destruction of the planets eco-systems brought by Electric Vehicles, or Solar Panels, or the massive death of birds caused by Wind Farms....

[BilboBagend]

More liar leroy delusional bullshit. What can on say. It's all he has. Little soundbites. Small out of context rare events. Intentionally misleading quotes, etc.

So pathetically sad.

[snakeoil]

As Paul Harvey used to say, "Now for the rest of the story."

Anderson, the wind energy association’s director of siting policy, also pointed to a 2007 study from the National Research Council, which concluded that bird deaths caused by wind turbines are a minute fraction of the total anthropogenic bird deaths -- less than 0.003 percent in 2003.

In fact, the study said, far more birds die every year in other ways:
--Collisions with buildings may kill up to 976 million birds annually;
--Collisions with high-tension lines kill at least 130 million birds, perhaps more than 1 billion;
--Cars may kill 80 million birds per year.

Another notorious bird killer: Domestic and feral cats, which may kill hundreds of millions of songbirds and other avian species each year, Fish and Wildlife Service reported in 2002. In Wisconsin alone, the agency said, roughly 39 million birds are killed by domestic cats every year. Add in the deaths caused by feral cats, or domestic cats in rural and suburban areas, and the mortality figure would be much higher.

For those mathematically challenged...that's three thousands of one percent.

http://www.politifact.com/tennessee/art ... -it-birds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Leroy]

And now for information that liberals/democrats/Obummer supporters don't want you to know:

More than 500 song birds where killed at a single wind-farm in ONE night, it's happened at least three other times.

A denver company was fined 20+ thousand for killing "bigratory birds" at one of their wind farms.

More than 2,000 eagles have been killed in the USA in a few short years, by wind-farms.

"The wind sector has had an exemption from prosecution under two of America’s oldest wildlife-protection laws: the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Eagle Protection Act. A violation of either law could result in a fine up to $250,000 or two years imprisonment. To date, the Obama administration -- following in the footsteps of the George W. Bush administration – has not prosecuted a single case against the wind industry. What they have done is gone after oil and natural gas providers for similar infractions."

In central California, 70 golden eagles were killed by wind turbines at Altamont Pass, without prosecution.

A study funded by the Alameda County Community Development Agency estimated that 10,000 birds – almost all that are protected by the migratory bird act – are being killed every year at the wind farm in Altamont Pass, Calif. (that's just one area of wind farms in the USA)

"In 2009, an expert at the Fish and Wildlife Service estimated 440,000 birds were being killed by wind turbines a year."