[BilboBagend]

Pass leadership to the Senate and do nothing. He has finally found his prime competency.

Deny his past words.

"I got 98% of what I want in the sequester" Boehner then.

"Obama's sequester." Boehner now


Which was the lie???

Both!


In fairness, Boehner has had an extremely tough job being leader of the worst group of unprincipled malignant assholes in all of U.S. history. I would have some sympathy for him if he had anything more than an interest in keeping his own job, but he doesn't.

[Leroy]

At least he's got a Leadership Style - Obama is still a FOLLOWER.

[BilboBagend]

We can see liar leroy has his usual delusional ability to intentionally misunderstand the events occurring in our society.

No surprise from such a fear and malice filled bigot.

[Leroy]

And yet you can't show where I'm wrong - you can only attack, like a typical liberal.

[BilboBagend]

ROFLMAOAY lair leroy.

No problem, your reputation is rock solid liar leroy. There is no doubt of your use of lies and even an occasional distorted truth to build nothing but bigoted lies and racist attacks. No one need prove anything about your malignant and dishonest nature any further.

[Leroy]

Again, you attack without any proof.

I've shown where you've lied multiple times, even quoted your lies and the legislation/facts to prove that you lied, but you can't seem to show ANY proof that I've lied once.

All you have is personal attacks, making you a joke and very sad person.

[elklindo69]

Boner backed out of the original "grand bargain" which would have given the GOP...FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS...in spending cuts.

And now he's lucky if he can get even...ONE TRILLION!!!

What kind of negotiator starts off with 4 trillion as a starter and ends up getting 1 trillion????

And that was what Boner came up with to begin. As the old saying goes, greedy pigs get slaughtered....

:lol:

[Leroy]

There was no grand bargain, it was a sham, it was more spending and the cuts were not really cuts, they were decreases in increases over 10 years, so you're showing that you were suckered into the false claims of the bullshit machine of Obama.

[elklindo69]

Boner backed out of the 4 trillion dollar tax cut plan, THAT HE CREATED, because the president wanted tax hikes.

So in December Obama got his tax hike.

And now Boner is only going to get 1 trillion in cuts.

What a fucking amateur!!!! :lol:

[Leroy]

You don't know what he's going to get, the deals are not done, yet. and you can be sure that the cuts you mention were offset by spending increases. Odumbass doesn't cut the budget, it's a typical Clinton shell game.

[Leroy]

Still waiting on the resident board hate filled liberal (Dildo) to explain exactly what Obama's Leadership Style is?????

Based on Benghazi, it appears that Obama's Leadership Style is "Ostrich Style" - Violent attack innocent people by kicking or hiding with head in a hole in the sand when a decision is needed.

[BilboBagend]

BUt, the most important part for Boehner is still held in place, he has his job as speaker.

[Leroy]

BUt, the most important part for Boehner is still held in place, he has his job as speaker.

Still waiting on the resident board hate filled liberal (Dildo) to explain exactly what Obama's Leadership Style is?????

Based on Benghazi, it appears that Obama's Leadership Style is "Ostrich Style" - Violent attack innocent people by kicking or hiding with head in a hole in the sand when a decision is needed.

[elklindo69]

Boner lost the GOP 3 trillion dollars, if Trump was the speaker I guarantee he would have taken the offer. And would have proposed to build condos along the Potomac...

:mrgreen:

[Leroy]

Nothing is "Lost" until the deal is signed - and, if you don't mind, what good is $3 Trillion when it's coupled with more than $3 Trillion in NEW spending - and wasn't that spending cut over more than 10 years?

Why can't odumbass ever be honest about the Debt, actually cut programs, not just cut the planned increases and call that a savings, cut the actual programs, and don't increase ANY spending, and don't give politicians or Fed workers any increases - in fact, why not cut all Fed workers pay to the same scale as our Military pay rates?

[BilboBagend]

We all see lair leoru at his best, still positing lies as foundational assumptions.

[Leroy]

We all see lair leoru at his best, still positing lies as foundational assumptions.

So, tell us, O-Grand Wizard, how much in cuts and spending increases have been signed into law?

[elklindo69]

So you think Boner is getting more than 4 trillion?

Perhaps 5?

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Leroy]

So you think Boner is getting more than 4 trillion?

Perhaps 5?

I think that no matter what amount is claimed, that it will never materialize because cuts to increases don't decrease anything, we learned that from the Clinton scam and now Odumbass is doing it.

[BilboBagend]

First, fix the tax code and totally eliminate all spending in the tax code (which are mostly permanent and hidden from the public) and force it into spending bills signed by Congress and the President (which is temporary and subject to public debate).

Second, fix the inequity in the tax code where all business income and most personal income of the wealthy is taxed on "profit" while most of the middle classes income, earned income, is tax on "revenue", the largest inequity in the tax codes.

Do those two things and we could support an actual single rate flat income tax.

Funny how businesses and the wealthy can "deduct" almost every expense of their wealthy lifestyles while the middle class can bot deduct their simple expenses. Businesses and the wealthy deducting interest payments as expenses for their ventures is a non-controversy, while mortgage interest deductions are under attack. The wealthy expense thye bulk of their transpiration expenses while the middle class can not. The tax game is completely loaded in favor of the wealthy and businesses, yet some morons think the lower income groups and the middle class do not pay their fair share. The upside down world of malignant morons who hate the American people.

[Leroy]

You can't really have a FAIR tax on income/wealth/earnings of any type - you can only make a tax fair when you tax purchases. If absolute necessities are excluded from a sales tax, then the tax is 100% fair to all people of all economic levels, across all times in their lives.

[BilboBagend]

Yes, liar leroy. We all know you want the most regressive and harmful tax possible. That which will destroy low income and the middle classes and the economy most efficiently. That which will kill GDP most effectively. It is completely consistent with your malevolent world view and dishonest.

[Leroy]

Yes, liar leroy. We all know you want the most regressive and harmful tax possible. That which will destroy low income and the middle classes and the economy most efficiently. That which will kill GDP most effectively. It is completely consistent with your malevolent world view and dishonest.

How would my tax be regressive?

People, of all levels, would pay no taxes on anything they purchase that is considered essential - Medical Care, Food, a single dwelling, education.

Other than those things, everything else in life is a toy, something nice to have. If you want nice things, you pay tax on them. If you want to save your money, live a simple life, you could become a billionaire by working/investing and saving, not paying any taxes except on clothing, if you chose to live that way.

My tax system is the best system, it lets people choose to pay tax IF they choose to have more than the essentials, it doesn't care about race, sex, wealth or lack of it, or where you live - it gives the poor the most benefit of savings while taxing those that want more THINGS.

[elklindo69]

Yes, liar leroy. We all know you want the most regressive and harmful tax possible. That which will destroy low income and the middle classes and the economy most efficiently. That which will kill GDP most effectively. It is completely consistent with your malevolent world view and dishonest.

How would my tax be regressive?

People, of all levels, would pay no taxes on anything they purchase that is considered essential - Medical Care, Food, a single dwelling, education.

Other than those things, everything else in life is a toy, something nice to have. If you want nice things, you pay tax on them. If you want to save your money, live a simple life, you could become a billionaire by working/investing and saving, not paying any taxes except on clothing, if you chose to live that way.

My tax system is the best system, it lets people choose to pay tax IF they choose to have more than the essentials, it doesn't care about race, sex, wealth or lack of it, or where you live - it gives the poor the most benefit of savings while taxing those that want more THINGS.

The flat consumption tax is most regressive proposal that I have ever heard.

For instance 2 people who consume $25,000 a year with a rate of 20% on the consumption pay $5000.

So for person one who gets paid $50,000, pays an effective rate of %10, And for the other person who gets paid $500,000, the effective rate is 1%.

So why should the person who gets paid 10 times more should pay ten times less???

[RealJustme]

How would my tax be regressive?

Liberals consider everyone paying their fair share as regressive, it doesn't meet the redistribution agenda, therefore it is regressive.

[Leroy]

The flat consumption tax is most regressive proposal that I have ever heard.

For instance 2 people who consume $25,000 a year with a rate of 20% on the consumption pay $5000.

So for person one who gets paid $50,000, pays an effective rate of %10, And for the other person who gets paid $500,000, the effective rate is 1%.

So why should the person who gets paid 10 times more should pay ten times less???

But you see, that's where your dishonesty comes in, blinding you completely.

A poor person, making $8/hr, doesn't need to pay any tax, except for clothing, in order to live, get educated, have a home/rental of their choice (that they can afford), and to maintain their health - everything else if fluff, so, a poor person, even the person making $50,000 per year, can pay almost $0.00 in tax if they choose to live a modest life with necessities instead of wants - and that means the poor can save money until they have real wealth, they can save and invest, creating wealth, without paying ANY TAX.

So, until you decide to spend on candy you're not paying tax - and that makes it the most fair system in the world.

[elklindo69]

The flat consumption tax is most regressive proposal that I have ever heard.

For instance 2 people who consume $25,000 a year with a rate of 20% on the consumption pay $5000.

So for person one who gets paid $50,000, pays an effective rate of %10, And for the other person who gets paid $500,000, the effective rate is 1%.

So why should the person who gets paid 10 times more should pay ten times less???

But you see, that's where your dishonesty comes in, blinding you completely.

A poor person, making $8/hr, doesn't need to pay any tax, except for clothing, in order to live, get educated, have a home/rental of their choice (that they can afford), and to maintain their health - everything else if fluff, so, a poor person, even the person making $50,000 per year, can pay almost $0.00 in tax if they choose to live a modest life with necessities instead of wants - and that means the poor can save money until they have real wealth, they can save and invest, creating wealth, without paying ANY TAX.

So, until you decide to spend on candy you're not paying tax - and that makes it the most fair system in the world.

The whole reason the current tax code is screwed up is from the deduction system. You just shell gamed the tax code, and rearranged the chairs on the floor and now everybody is scrambling around looking for chairs when the music stopped. That's Paul Ryan's idea of revamping the tax code, he seeks to eliminate tax deductions. But his problem is that everybody likes those tax deductions, whether they are liberals or conservatives. Let's see what happens if he proposes cutting mortgage interest deductions or 401k - IRA tax deductions... :lol:

Remember when they had the V.P. debates, and the moderator pressed Ryan to give some clues on what deductions would be eliminated. And he responded by parroting the idea that deductions would be negotiated in congress. The congress waited until the last second to raise taxes. The current congress is not even in session. And they will not come back until next week to legislate. Good luck in trying to work out a debt cutting plan that will avoid the 1 trillion sequester.

[Leroy]

I see that you were unable to show that my idea would not work and that it would negatively impact the "poor" as claimed.

[BilboBagend]

Individual income tax: one fixed rate on all profits for every individual.

profit = revenues - expenses

revenues = earned income + dividends + interest + cap gains + etc.
expense = maximum average cost of living expense allowance, set to 85%% of all revenues for individuals, currently about $65,000.00


Corporate tax: 4% on all revenues, plus same tax rate as individual tax rate on dividends, interest, cap gains, etc.

no other deductions, credits, etc.

That would be an equitable income tax system.

It would reward individual aggressiveness in increasing income by any means.

It would stimulate business to manage their expenses in order to maintain maximum profitability both on and off book.

[BilboBagend]

It would keep the tax code out of financing decisions for all businesses and individuals.

[Leroy]

It would reward individual aggressiveness in increasing income by any means.

It would stimulate business to manage their expenses in order to maintain maximum profitability both on and off book.

It would not reward anything, it would still penalize business and start-ups and investing.

My method rewards everyone, and it encourages investment and growth as well as saving instead of spending.

[BilboBagend]

Yes, we all agree. You want the most regressive and destructive form of taxation that will drive us back a century in our economic well being and productivity. That is short of the wealthy instituting a new feudal age where wealth pays absolutely no taxes and simply steals everything DIRECTLY from the working people who produce everything and provide all services.We get it, liar leroy.

[Leroy]

Yes, we all agree. You want the most regressive and destructive form of taxation that will drive us back a century in our economic well being and productivity. That is short of the wealthy instituting a new feudal age where wealth pays absolutely no taxes and simply steals everything DIRECTLY from the working people who produce everything and provide all services.We get it, liar leroy.

And yet you don't know the knowledge to show that my plan/idea is what you claim, you can't show, in any detail, how it would negatively impact anyone more than what you propose.