[RealJustme]

The LAPD is in the middle of its most public manhunt as an “armed and extremely dangerous” cop killer and highly trained former police officer is on the loose after murdering three people and shooting at many more.

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, Christopher Dorner‘s first alleged victims were Keith Lawrence, 27, and his fiancée Monica Quan, 28. The killings were believed to be a revenge attack on her father, Randy Quan, an LAPD captain who retired and became an attorney and was involved in the review process that eventually led to Dorner’s dismissal from the LAPD.

After vowing to conduct an “unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” against police in an online manifesto where he talks of how he admires Obama and supports his gun control suggestions, he went on to shoot three police officers on Thursday, killing one of them.

Amid the death threats, racial grievances and angry rants, Dorner had plenty to say to his favorite sports stars and celebrities in his lengthy manifesto. He said "Hardball with Chris Matthews" was his favorite news sourse.

[brandon]

Again, a mental health issue.

[RealJustme]

Again, a mental health issue

Yep, he feels he was born a victim, his racial hatred drove him over the edge.

[RealJustme]

Liberals are actually calling for a Federal investigation to determine if this killer was wrongly fired from the LAPD.

His actions of blowing the brains out of two young innocents just because the women was the daughter of his attorney demonstrates not only was it the right thing to do to fire him but the investigation needs to be into who hired this nut case in the first place.

Liberals are calling his black rambo :lol: :lol: :lol: This fat bungling nut failed out of his first try at the police academy because he couldn't get anything right. His only police training was basic firearms for patrol officers, he has no special combat or SWAT training. He was a desk jockey in the Navy Reserve, he only qualified for the lowest qualification score in rifles. He shot an unarmed young couple then ambused to police officers sitting at a stop light, nothing rambo about that.

But rest assured there are some "real rambo" types hunting his cowardly ass.

[Leroy]

If you go back, pre 2013, and read about his problems with the police department, it would seem, from multiple sources, that he was screwed by a corrupt police department.

I completely disagree with his actions, in killing people like this, he's sealed his fate and will not live to be tried for these killings, and he doesn't deserve to live. His actions are what we see from liberals during the last few years.

[brandon]

His actions are what we see from liberals during the last few years.

Really? So it's only "liberals" that become mentally unstable and go on shooting sprees?

[Leroy]

His actions are what we see from liberals during the last few years.

Really? So it's only "liberals" that become mentally unstable and go on shooting sprees?

No, but, if you look at most of the mass killings, most of the calls for violence, they are liberals doing it - the number of calls/incitements to violence from liberals outnumber conservative calls by many orders of magnitude.

Liberals are inherently unstable - they claim they are peaceful and tolerant, but they are anything but that - they are intolerant of people that don't follow their ideas/ways, they are violent about most things - as an example, the terrorist group that killed, raped, destroyed, violently interrupted businesses last year.... you know, the terrorist group "Occupy Wallstreet"...

Now look at the politicians, the Congressional Black Caucus - all violent comments from liberals, all hate and spew, refusal to work with conservatives, demanding their way or no-way.... Failing to understand that only 27% of the voters elected Odumbass and his fascist regime - so, there was no directive or mandate from the public, that was nothing from the majority. Like always, a small minority of the people choose to violently change things and the rest of the sheep stand back and watch.

[RealJustme]

Leroy is correct, it's liberals who revert to voilence or deception if they don't get their way.

[elklindo69]

Again, a mental health issue

Yep, he feels he was born a victim, his racial hatred drove him over the edge.

Yes, a mental health issue indeed. And one that cannot be scientifically studied because the NRA lobbied congress and was able to defund the CDC from studying firearm deaths claiming that gun violence is not a "disease" even though the approximately the same amount of people die from gun violence as in car accidents.

But we don't see the auto makers lobbying congress to defund the DOT. Car makers go out and build safer cars...

[Leroy]

Yea, same old claim, gun violence is a disease so that liberals can blame something other than the criminal exercising bad judgement or just being a bad person.

[elklindo69]

Yea, same old claim, gun violence is a disease so that liberals can blame something other than the criminal exercising bad judgement or just being a bad person.

Taking certain medications, some diseases, and certain medical conditions have been scientifically proven cause violent behavior. So the NRA doesn't want the CDC to uncover the truth?

Who would have ever of thought....

[DarknLadyJedi]

Again, a mental health issue

Yep, he feels he was born a victim, his racial hatred drove him over the edge.

Yes, a mental health issue indeed. And one that cannot be scientifically studied because the NRA lobbied congress and was able to defund the CDC from studying firearm deaths claiming that gun violence is not a "disease" even though the approximately the same amount of people die from gun violence as in car accidents.

But we don't see the auto makers lobbying congress to defund the DOT. Car makers go out and build safer cars...

According to the FBI there were 8,583 homicides from firearms in 2011.
According to the US Census there were 35.9 MILLION deaths from auto accidents in 2009.

Yep, that's approximately the same number of people all right.

Violence is not a disease, alcoholism is not a disease, drug addiction is not a disease. If these things are diseases than so are love, hugs, smiles, and understanding. Stop socializing "disease" in order to politicize problems. An alcoholic driving down the road can in fact help themselves. They made a conscious decision to drive to the bar and get drunk knowing they were going to be driving home, and they are just as guilty of attempted murder as the person who sticks their arm out the window of a moving car with a loaded gun and starts firing bullets at random people. And when we start treating it like a crime maybe people will start acting like drunk driving is a crime.

[Leroy]

Yea, same old claim, gun violence is a disease so that liberals can blame something other than the criminal exercising bad judgement or just being a bad person.

Taking certain medications, some diseases, and certain medical conditions have been scientifically proven cause violent behavior. So the NRA doesn't want the CDC to uncover the truth?

Who would have ever of thought....

Again, how would you know this if the NRA kept research from happening. The fact is that the NRA didn't block the research, the Government cut the CDC funding because they were doing research trying to tie Gun deaths to a "Disease", and there is no connection to Gun deaths and Disease, other than people that commit suicide because of a terminal disease they might have and using a gun to do it.

Do you really need millions in gun research to know that mixing medications can make people violent?

Do you really need millions in gun research to know that mentally unstable people not taking their stability meds can become violent?

You do know that the same faults (violence) you mention are present for the same reasons without guns being involved, right? So it seems that you are crying that the CDC can't vilify guns instead of just VIOLENT PEOPLE.

[brandon]

I'm not buying it Leroy. Dorner was a police officer and former military marksman. Doesn't sound too liberal to me.

Let's see who do I recall recently, .....how about the guy shooting up the Sikh temple?
The guy shooting up the Holocaust museum James Von Brunn? The race killer from Norway? The Pittsburgh cop killer a former Marine? Eric Rudolph?
And don't forget Tim Mc Veigh and Terry Nichols, they killed a bunch of people huh?
Even Ted Kascinsky railed against 'leftists" in his manifesto.

That's off the top of my head Leroy. Should I actually google you up a real list? Do my own research as you always insist? I'm sure I could find plenty out there.

Here let this one soak in for a bit.

The 911 hijackers were extremist religious conservatives.

:shock:

[Leroy]

I'm not buying it Leroy. Dorner was a police officer and former military marksman. Doesn't sound too liberal to me.

You don't have to "Buy" it, you can read his manifesto - he clearly is a radical liberal based on his own statements.

Let's see who do I recall recently, .....how about the guy shooting up the Sikh temple?
The guy shooting up the Holocaust museum James Von Brunn? The race killer from Norway? The Pittsburgh cop killer a former Marine? Eric Rudolph?
And don't forget Tim Mc Veigh and Terry Nichols, they killed a bunch of people huh?
Even Ted Kascinsky railed against 'leftists" in his manifesto.

That's off the top of my head Leroy. Should I actually google you up a real list? Do my own research as you always insist? I'm sure I could find plenty out there.

Here let this one soak in for a bit.

The 911 hijackers were extremist religious conservatives.

:shock:

If you go back and actually look, you will find that almost all of those people were of a liberal mindset, and the 911 hijackers, as with most Muslims, are very radical liberals - completely intolerant while claiming to be peaceful. Conservatives don't claim to love everyone and then kill them, don't claim to support something and then show that they don't, not like Liberals do. Liberals are the most hypocritical and violent people I know in the world.

What liberals don't understand is that they are not really liberals, they are what they claim Conservatives are, they are the most intolerant people on the planet - and we can see this because they are completely intolerant of anyone/thing that doesn't believe the way liberals want them to believe - and you can't deny that.

If you had done your homework, the Norway killer wasn't a race killer, he didn't do it because of race, as Islam/Muslim is not a race, he did it because of POLITICS, the fact that liberal politics were destroying his country, and if you had actually done the research, you would see that he used the same tactics that the muslims use around the world - which is what he said, himself. He was a bad person, doing a vile deed, and he should be hanged for it, but, his actions were not about race as you claim. Come back when you can have actually researched what you claim.

[brandon]

None of the above mentioned were flaming liberals Leroy.

[Leroy]

You really should learn about McVeigh - he was every bit a liberal, his anti-everything positions, his anti-government positions, he fits the Intolerant Liberal example perfectly, and combined with his mental instability, like most radical liberals, he was a ticking bomb that could have been identified earlier if not for the liberal system that doesn't hold anyone accountable for their individual actions.

[brandon]

Were the Muzzy hijackers libs too?

[elklindo69]

Yea, same old claim, gun violence is a disease so that liberals can blame something other than the criminal exercising bad judgement or just being a bad person.

Taking certain medications, some diseases, and certain medical conditions have been scientifically proven cause violent behavior. So the NRA doesn't want the CDC to uncover the truth?

Who would have ever of thought....

Again, how would you know this if the NRA kept research from happening. The fact is that the NRA didn't block the research, the Government cut the CDC funding because they were doing research trying to tie Gun deaths to a "Disease", and there is no connection to Gun deaths and Disease, other than people that commit suicide because of a terminal disease they might have and using a gun to do it.

Do you really need millions in gun research to know that mixing medications can make people violent?

Do you really need millions in gun research to know that mentally unstable people not taking their stability meds can become violent?

You do know that the same faults (violence) you mention are present for the same reasons without guns being involved, right? So it seems that you are crying that the CDC can't vilify guns instead of just VIOLENT PEOPLE.

Initially, pro-gun lawmakers sought to eliminate the injury center completely, arguing that its work was “redundant” and reflected a political agenda. When that failed, they turned to the appropriations process. In 1996, Representative Jay Dickey, Republican of Arkansas, succeeded in pushing through an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the disease control centers’ budget, the very amount it had spent on firearms-related research the year before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26 ... =all&_r=1&

Peer review controlled scientific studies are needed to establish an understanding of gun violence and ways to prevent people from getting killed. But conservatives don't want to do the studies because they are afraid that evidence will lead to public policies which will restrict gun ownership. It's that simple.

So consequentially, there is no scientific data nor evidence to draw any conclusions, that is, what will work to prevent gun deaths. Nobody has any idea if;

1. Whether or not increased gun ownership increases or decreases gun deaths.
2. Whether or not the registration of firearms makes people more safer or increases their risk of gun deaths.
3. Or if a ban on assault weapons would have prevented the Newtown massacre.

It's mindboggling for me to understand why people are resisting such research.

The federal government has spend billions of dollars over the decades to research traffic safety. And their research has saved hundreds of thousands of lives by requiring people to use seat belts, air bags, helmets, child restraining seats, and so on. And I see no reason why firearm research should not be conducted...

[Leroy]

Were the Muzzy hijackers libs too?

Already answered if you had actually read my reply.

It's real simple - Liberal = Claims of tolerance and peace while showing exactly the opposite when their beliefs are opposed. Liberals are completely INTOLERANT of anything/anyone that doesn't agree with them.

Conservatives may disagree with you/groups/things, but they will let you continue on as long as you don't fuck them in your process. Conservatives are far more likely to allow people/groups to continue when they don't support their beliefs than Liberals are - liberals, as history shows, become violent and spew hate and incitements to violence against those that disagree with them.

[Leroy]

So consequentially, there is no scientific data nor evidence to draw any conclusions, that is, what will work to prevent gun deaths. Nobody has any idea if;

1. Whether or not increased gun ownership increases or decreases gun deaths.
2. Whether or not the registration of firearms makes people more safer or increases their risk of gun deaths.
3. Or if a ban on assault weapons would have prevented the Newtown massacre.

It's mindboggling for me to understand why people are resisting such research.

It's mindbogglingly why you don't know that the data is already available in an unbiased manner.

We know that a ban on "Assault" weapons would not have changed Newtown because the main weapons used in newtown were hang-guns, and the specific hand guns were not "Assault weapons", and the data shows that the Brady Act (remember that assault weapon and assault items ban) did not reduce gun crimes in the country at all, didn't reduce gun related deaths, etc....

we also know that registration doesn't change anything, as registration doesn't impact ownership - but, as registration is always the leading event to CONFISCATION, it should be completely opposed.

Increased Soda drinking causes more deaths than not drinking Soada. Increased car ownership causes more deaths than not having cars. Increased anything can cause more deaths than not having it - so, it's another back-handed attempt to ban guns while not doing the same for causes of death that outnumber guns.

You don't have a "Right" to drive or own a car, but you do have a "Right" to own and keep firearms, and that right was put in our Constitution to protect the citizens from a fascist government - one that is now working the media machine to do all it can to take away your right to remove a fascist government.

You can't honestly believe that banning "Assault" weapons would have prevented Newtown, you can't be that stupid.

[elklindo69]

You really should learn about McVeigh - he was every bit a liberal, his anti-everything positions, his anti-government positions, he fits the Intolerant Liberal example perfectly, and combined with his mental instability, like most radical liberals, he was a ticking bomb that could have been identified earlier if not for the liberal system that doesn't hold anyone accountable for their individual actions.

McVeigh was a liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That guy was a right wing neo con nut job, didn't the cops find copies of the Turner Diary on him right after the bombing????

I think Leroy is suffering from ideological dyslexia....

:lol:

[brandon]

Now I am convinced.

"Liberals" are inherently more unstable and commit far greater numbers of violent acts than those seen as politically "conservative".

[Leroy]

You really should learn about McVeigh - he was every bit a liberal, his anti-everything positions, his anti-government positions, he fits the Intolerant Liberal example perfectly, and combined with his mental instability, like most radical liberals, he was a ticking bomb that could have been identified earlier if not for the liberal system that doesn't hold anyone accountable for their individual actions.

McVeigh was a liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That guy was a right wing neo con nut job, didn't the cops find copies of the Turner Diary on him right after the bombing????

I think Leroy is suffering from ideological dyslexia....

:lol:

Nope, he was anti-government, but he was far more than that - you don't appear to know his life story. He was strongly liberal.

[brandon]

I have always liked Leroy. But I have seen posters make him say the most incredible things.

[Leroy]

I have always liked Leroy. But I have seen posters make him say the most incredible things.

I've not been "Made" to say anything by anyone - I have stated a position that I hold based on what I know. So far, all I see in response to my statements are insults and other personal attacks.

If you've got something to prove that liberals are tolerant of beliefs they don't share, please show that proof - you're going to need more than one small example because we have seen thousands of examples that show that liberals are not tolerant of those that don't share their beliefs.

[brandon]

I've found a few examples of the intolerant liberals you're talking about Leroy. Don't worry though, I will keep looking. You have shown me that the world is not how I thought it was. I hope a cut and paste will be ok.

-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)

-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.

[Leroy]

Good work, but you'll find 10x's as many liberals doing violent things and harming or killing innocent people.

[Leroy]

Consider this - Blacks make up the largest number of Criminals, even with guns, in the USA. Blacks are vastly Liberal/Democrat, according to their own polls and other data.

Blacks account for about 55% of murders.

More gun crimes are committed by blacks than whites.

So, with just this simple information we can see that liberals/democrats are more violent that Conservatives.

Now consider this: Today, we have far fewer gun related killings that we did under the Brady Act period - and this shows that crime has dropped since the assault weapon ban ended.

Today we have more and more people protecting themselves and their families from criminals than at any other time in our history, and democrats/liberals want to take that away from law-abiding citizens.

[elklindo69]

So consequentially, there is no scientific data nor evidence to draw any conclusions, that is, what will work to prevent gun deaths. Nobody has any idea if;

1. Whether or not increased gun ownership increases or decreases gun deaths.
2. Whether or not the registration of firearms makes people more safer or increases their risk of gun deaths.
3. Or if a ban on assault weapons would have prevented the Newtown massacre.

It's mindboggling for me to understand why people are resisting such research.

It's mindbogglingly why you don't know that the data is already available in an unbiased manner.

We know that a ban on "Assault" weapons would not have changed Newtown because the main weapons used in newtown were hang-guns, and the specific hand guns were not "Assault weapons", and the data shows that the Brady Act (remember that assault weapon and assault items ban) did not reduce gun crimes in the country at all, didn't reduce gun related deaths, etc....

we also know that registration doesn't change anything, as registration doesn't impact ownership - but, as registration is always the leading event to CONFISCATION, it should be completely opposed.

Increased Soda drinking causes more deaths than not drinking Soada. Increased car ownership causes more deaths than not having cars. Increased anything can cause more deaths than not having it - so, it's another back-handed attempt to ban guns while not doing the same for causes of death that outnumber guns.

You don't have a "Right" to drive or own a car, but you do have a "Right" to own and keep firearms, and that right was put in our Constitution to protect the citizens from a fascist government - one that is now working the media machine to do all it can to take away your right to remove a fascist government.

You can't honestly believe that banning "Assault" weapons would have prevented Newtown, you can't be that stupid.

Correlation does not imply causation, that's an amateurish flaw in logic which is easily shot down. If every thing was that easy then we wouldn't need scientists, now would we. And just to entertain my self, the rate of motor vehicle deaths has been declining over the past 20-30 years because of improved automobile safety features and better designed roads. And soda consumption does not cause greater deaths, it's the total caloric intake and increased amounts of animal fats in human consumption which has led to diabetes and heart disease.

But we all know this is true because....IT WAS RESEARCHED.

Also you claim that people kill not guns, so if that was true, and Adam Lanza had no firearm, would he have still entered the school with a bat, knife, or other weapon and did what he did?

OH BTW....How many mass murders were committed using a weapon other than a firearm???

[Leroy]

Are you kidding or just trolling?

As for mass murders without guns, I can't believe you're really setting yourself up like that. I suggest that you do a little research and then come back and rescind that question.

[Leroy]

OH BTW....How many mass murders were committed using a weapon other than a firearm???

I guess you forgot about Jeffery Dahmer and the hundreds like him over the years, or that Knives have been used in genocide in many countries for ages, or that bombs, gas (liquid) and other chemicals have been used by killers - and then there is poison....

Poisoning deaths have increased dramatically over the years, and they currently exceed the automobile deaths in the USA.