[snakeoil]

Isn't it great that Congress voted for $50 billion in relief for the Hurricane Sandy victims; three months after the disaster happened. BTW...Russia sent two military cargo planes to JFK airport, about a week after Sandy hit, loaded with 40 tons of blankets and other urgently needed items.

I wonder just what is in the Sandy Bill? As Paul Harvey used to say, "Now for the rest of the story."

1. Congressional Budget Office has estimated that at least half the funds will be disbursed after 2015—not exactly time-sensitive, emergency spending.

2. Senator Kelly Ayotte (R–NH) summed it up well: “f a main goal of the Sandy relief legislation that passed the Senate was to quickly get resources into the hands of those who need it most, the final product fell short.”

3. The act includes billions for “future” disaster mitigation projects and for repair or replacement of federal “assets” in such agencies as the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, and Justice; the Social Security Administration; and the Smithsonian. (And here I thought the Smithsonian was in Washington not New York.)

4. It also includes money to improve weather forecasting and research at a host of agencies.

5. Not only does this act add to the deficit, but it is also reflects another symptom of government growth: over-federalization of natural disasters. In less than two years, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has issued a stunning 353 disaster declarations—despite the absence of major hurricanes or earthquakes (except Hurricanes Irene and Sandy). This high operational tempo keeps FEMA in a perpetual response mode, leaving little time and few resources to prepare to handle a real catastrophic disaster, such as Hurricane Sandy.

6. $17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.

7. After protests from Congress members from the Northeast, including some Republicans, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) split the bill into one that provided $9.7 billion for flood insurance reimbursement and $50.5 billion for other needs. The first bill was passed into law earlier this month.

8. $58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.

9, $10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.

[RealJustme]

Don't worry Obama will veto it. Remember he promised to veto "any" Bill that has pork in it.

[Leroy]

Bush handled disasters much quicker and with better use of resources that Odumbass, but you will never hear/see/read a liberal admit it.

[justdoit]

Like IRAQ!!
Now thats a disaster we are still enjoying!!!! What was it 2-3 billion a week, Thats some kind of resource savings....I'm pretty liberal and I will admit it, so now you heard, read it.....

[Leroy]

Like IRAQ!!
Now thats a disaster we are still enjoying!!!! What was it 2-3 billion a week, Thats some kind of resource savings....I'm pretty liberal and I will admit it, so now you heard, read it.....

The disaster of Iraq was caused by liberals and others that would not let us finish the job properly. Now that liberals are in complete control of the Military, we've seen more of our people dead in 4 years of Obama than 8 years of Bush, and it's getting worse all around the world.

[justdoit]

Leroy
Ya know what this reminds me of? Remember the the movie "My big fat greek wedding" The brides Father who was true blue Greek would say "Give me a word and I will give you its Greek origins" And he would, any word and he could find a greek referance or meaning, Jewish word, who cares, it was Greek.
Leroy thats you
Give you anything and you can find a way to make the liberals/ democrates be at fault. Any problem, earthquake, liberals caused it, Forest fire, liberal caused it. Tell me, is there any liberal idea that you might (even remotely) agree with? Any Democrat you have liked (again even remotely) in the history of this country? If so I would like to know. I mean A joke, and you got to find a way to make Liberals be at fault.

[elklindo69]

Should we surprised that a guy from bumfuck Ohio who got 150,000 votes cancelled the vote for Sandy relief without telling anybody.

Then he had to back peddle when Christie and Peter King reamed his ass, publicly, on Fox news of all places.

[Leroy]

Justdoit - can you explain how, since democrats have had the Majority for 6 years, since we have a democrat president, how come Sandy Relief has failed to materialize from the government, how come it was filled with pork from democrats, how come democrats didn't implement the relief amounts immediately?

Have you every admitted that Bush was better than Obama in anything good?

Obama and his machine is a disaster, not caring about the people at all - and this is just more proof of it.

[RealJustme]

If Obama really cared he would gotten Sandy the help they needed instead of going their for photo ops, making false promises and then using their pain and suffering as a means to pass pork bills that have nothing to do with helping them. Notice after the election Obama hasn't returned for any more hand shaking or promises, it's back to Hawaii, golfing and Vegas trips.

[justdoit]

Leroy
My problem is
You seem to only blame Dems for every problem this country has, or have had in the past. Your venomous statements alienate you and your opinions in the mind of most here. This countries problems have been brought about by both side of the isle, as in left and right. To call the president "Odumass", brother thats hatespeak no if and or buts. I have problems with Obama, I had problems with Bush, but I never played the childish game of name calling. I never called Bush anything but President Bush, or just Bush, period. Maybe you were raised in a somewhat different inviroment, maybe you were raised where childish name calling had positive effects. If so I stand corrected. The only time I have come unglued on this board, and will admit it was when Realjustme, played political games just after the killing of 20 children in Newtown by a deranged mind, so I am not innocent of name calling myself. But I got over it, I really didn't want for Realjustme to go fuck himself".
As to the pork installed into the Sandy bill. As of yet I have not read who put in all that pork, you have as you allude only the Democrates filled it with pork. Let us know who installed all that pork. It is kind of intresting that much of that "pork" is going to Alabama, Mississippi,Texas, and Louisiana, all of which are Red states with two republican senators each except Louisiana who has only one rep senator. (Forbes 1/03/2013). Why would the democrates put all that pork into republican states?

[Leroy]

Leroy
My problem is
You seem to only blame Dems for every problem this country has, or have had in the past. Your venomous statements alienate you and your opinions in the mind of most here. This countries problems have been brought about by both side of the isle, as in left and right. To call the president "Odumass", brother thats hatespeak no if and or buts.

And your problem is that you seem to be missing that every time the Republicans try and fix a problem, as seldomly as they do, the are defeated by Democrats/Odumbass. In case you've missed it, I've called for the banning of both parties, completely, never to be permitted to be formed again - so I can hardly be seen as Pro-Republican, but I can be seen as Anti-Democrat because they are doing more harm to this country than any other group of people have ever done - even the Islamic radicals are not as bad as Democrats.

As for calling Obama, Odumbass, being hate speech, fuck you and the mighty horse you rode in on - People in this forum, I suspect you too, called Bush far worse for meaningless things. To call him Odumbass is a positive thing, because I should be calling him OTraitor or OKilleroftheUSA, or something of that sort - dumbass is about as polite a thing as I can find for someone that willingly takes part in killing American troops, providing aid-comfort to our enemy, and is completely against the founding ideals of this country.

I was raised to be realistic, and I was raised to respect people that you don't know, to respect people that deserve respect, to not pre-judge others, to not call people names unless the names fit them exactly - and I've done that and continue to do it. That you don't like me calling BHO Odumbass doesn't matter in the least to me, he's far worse, he's evil. I have more respect for Satan (if he existed) than I do Odumbass and his handlers. I have almost as little respect for Democrats (politicians and voters at any level), and just a tad more for most Republican politicians at the Federal level.

I have problems with Obama, I had problems with Bush, but I never played the childish game of name calling. I never called Bush anything but President Bush, or just Bush, period. Maybe you were raised in a somewhat different inviroment, maybe you were raised where childish name calling had positive effects. If so I stand corrected. The only time I have come unglued on this board, and will admit it was when Realjustme, played political games just after the killing of 20 children in Newtown by a deranged mind, so I am not innocent of name calling myself. But I got over it, I really didn't want for Realjustme to go fuck himself".

Sorry, but the DEMOCRATS have been playing politics with the Sandy Hook killings since the terrible incident hit the news, and they are STILL DOING IT - they, when cornered, admit that no GUN CONTROL will stop incidents like that, that there was nothing in any GUN CONTROL law that could have prevented it, and, if you corner a half-honest one, they will admit that the only way to stop a killer is with force, not strong words - meaning that the only thing that would have stopped him was a good person with a gun. You won't see that in public, you'll see all the lies, deceptions, misdirections, dishonesty, all designed to make the sheep (another name calling) miss that this is about taking guns away from the PEOPLE so that the fascist government can become worst, can control you, can kill you and others, without fear of being attacked and fixed by the PEOPLE.

As to the pork installed into the Sandy bill. As of yet I have not read who put in all that pork (snip)

And that's why you fail in discussions, why you fail at anything political, why you are one of the bad people - you don't care enough to learn about what is happening, and you expect others (at least by your posts) to hand feed you the data/information instead of showing the initiative to do it yourself.

[Leroy]

Leroy
My problem is
You seem to only blame Dems for every problem this country has, or have had in the past.

One other thing - Democrats created and grew the welfare/public assistance systems - they created the Socialist NEW DEAL, and those things have destroyed this country, and continue to destroy this country.

[brandon]

I could give a fuck about political parties, but it is hilarious to watch one of the Bush bashers respond with ...'but what about Iraq'..... when it's pointed out that Obama fucked it up worse than Bush.

LMFAO

[snakeoil]

Ah, you hit a nerve here Leroy. I can see that you have not studied Roosevelt and the new Deal very much but rely on what the Anti's tell you. Roosevelt's new Deal programs were instituted to stop abuses by the financial industry and the banks, to get everyone working that could work, and to stop the reckless speculation in gold and other commodities. (Damn, that sounds like 2013.) Roosevelt was smart enough to know that unless he got the entire country back to work, the depression stood no chance of easing. If the depression had lingered for much longer, our country (and the world) would have experienced greater chaos and anarchy. (Maybe Obama could study Roosevelt's thoughts on jobs.)

There was also a pro-Fasist-Anti-Jewish-Anti-Negro movement starting in the US and it was growing by the day. Even Harry Truman applied for membership in the Ku Klux Klan but thought better of it and dropped his request. Time magazine and Fortune were supporters of Mussolini. In 1934, Fortune extolled the wonders of Italian Fascism. The American Legion even came out in favor of Italian Facism. Pa. Senator David Reed praised Mussolini and said, "If this country ever needed a Mussolini it needs one now." Republican Congressman Louis T. McFadden took to the floor of the House tp decry the Jewish conspiracy. Several groups organized to imitate the Facist groups in Europe. The US had the black shirts, the brown shirts and the white shirt organizations. Kansas Republican, Gerald Winrod, who called himself the "Jayhawk Nazi" ran for the US Snate and got 21% of the votes in the Kansas US Senate primary. Roosevelt saw that the country was on the verge of anarchy and knew that he had to get the country working again.

It was under these exteme conditions that Roosevelt instituted the New Deal actions. His programs earned grudging support from business leaders and political leaders. One aspect of the New Deal policies was that it went to great lengths to not impose any coherant philosophy; either conservaative or liberal. Roosevelt focused all of his efforts on getting America back to work. One side efect of this was that he largely ignored the rest of he world's problems and this allowed the rise of Facism in Europe. Europe pushed for a return to the gold standard and Roosevelt's refusal alienated Europe for years. This had one tragic side effect; Hitler concluded from Roosevelt's actions that the US was withdrawing from world affairs and was becoming isolationist. He began to feel that he had little to fear from America.

[brandon]

An 80 mph hurricane? Really? 80mph?

lol

Some tunnels were flooded. Some beach houses were taken out to sea. Some roads were washed out and the power went out. So?

Big fuckin deal. That's daily life where I'm from, not a "catastrophic" natural disaster.

[Leroy]

Ah, you hit a nerve here Leroy. I can see that you have not studied Roosevelt and the new Deal very much but rely on what the Anti's tell you. Roosevelt's new Deal programs were instituted to stop abuses by the financial industry and the banks, to get everyone working that could work, and to stop the reckless speculation in gold and other commodities. (Damn, that sounds like 2013.) Roosevelt was smart enough to know that unless he got the entire country back to work, the depression stood no chance of easing. If the depression had lingered for much longer, our country (and the world) would have experienced greater chaos and anarchy. (Maybe Obama could study Roosevelt's thoughts on jobs.)

He was smart enough to know that if you want to get votes, you have to pay for them, if you want to control the people you have to pacify the masses, if you want to destroy the fabric of a nation, that you have to implement socialism - and that's what he did.

The same "Abuses" that you mention him wanting to stop are the same programs spawned by HIS ideals that created the housing collapse, the loan scams to people that could not qualify for them, the same crap we see today - it's the evil "Man" doing this to you, not the government, not your own fault, it's your neighbors fault.

No matter how you try and spin it, and I've done my research, the New Deal was the major instigator in the socialist programs that we have today - it was the anti-American spark that enabled all of the corruption and abuses we have today (related to public assistance and massive government).

[snakeoil]

I can see that I wasted my time with you Leroy. You didn't pick up the tone of the country in my post. Anarchy was beginning to raise it's head and something had to be done. For a list of New Deal programs and their effects:

http://www.fdrheritage.org/new_deal.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Leroy]

Maybe you should look at how those programs AND ALL THE OTHERS actually turned out, not what is "Claimed" about the programs by blind supporters. Look past the BS and look at what came of his New Deal, how it was far more than you show in the list on that website.

You're wasting my time by not looking past your nose.

[RealJustme]

Justdoit- The only time I have come unglued on this board, and will admit it was when Realjustme, played political games just after the killing of 20 children in Newtown by a deranged mind, so I am not innocent of name calling myself. But I got over it, I really didn't want for Realjustme to go fuck himself".

Yes you went ape shit and lost it when I pointed out our Country has a problem when 20 children are killed and our polititians are part of that problem. You screamed that I was insensitive to talk of politics concerning the tragic event. Then in flies Obama with his press and cameras to Newtown and gives a long political speech with the dead children's faces as a background, he uses the tragic event to further his gun agenda and faulting Congress for not acting on his plans allowing it to take place...dead silence from you. I have yet to hear you fault Obama for being more political than I was concerning the shootings. Admit it, what offended you wasn't the tragic event, it was that I said something negative about the mighty one.

Go fuck yourself you hypocritical Obamabot. :lol:

Washington, D.C. – Representative Mark Meadows (NC-11) released the following statement after President Obama announced that he is moving forward with sweeping gun control measures.

“The recent tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut will never be forgotten. However, it is shameful that rather than having a serious discussion about the root of the violence behind the shooting, President Obama is using this tragedy as a vehicle for his own political agenda. He made his motives clear today when he used innocent children as the backdrop of his press conference.

“I am dedicated to preventing horrific incidents like the Newtown shooting from ever happening again, which is why I am committed to enforcing existing laws, examining issues like mental health and bolstering safety precautions in schools. We need to put politics aside and have meaningful conversations about the tragedy in Connecticut, but the president circumventing Congress and implementing his own rule of law is not the way to proceed. I encourage the president to change his course and sit down at the table with both political parties so we can prevent future tragedies.”

[snakeoil]

1934-Idaho Republican Senator William Borah, "Unless the Republican Party is delivered from it's reactionary leadership and reorganzied in accordance with it's one-time liberal principles it will die like the Wgig Party of sheer political cowardice."

[Leroy]

1934-Idaho Republican Senator William Borah, "Unless the Republican Party is delivered from it's reactionary leadership and reorganzied in accordance with it's one-time liberal principles it will die like the Wgig Party of sheer political cowardice."

I would like to see both parties disbanded, they are both a blight on the country, in their current form, and I only see things getting much worse as their thirst for power continues to grow.

The interesting thing about the quote, it doesn't mention how the Democrat party will be destroyed by their actions against the country, the people, and how they can't sustain themselves by screwing the working class at every step.

[RealJustme]

I would like to see both parties disbanded, they are both a blight on the country, in their current form, and I only see things getting much worse as their thirst for power continues to grow.

So would I, vote for the best person not the party they dance to. The only problem would be in there were no political party associated with those running for offices, liberals would just vote based upon skin color, not the best person for the job...that's a fact.

[justdoit]

Realjustme
You are correct in the sense I went "apeshit" at your comments just after the Newton shootings. I Should not have said what I did. That being said I still feel your comments were out of line and were directed more at our leadership than the tragedy that presented itself. The fact that Obama went there has nothing to do with your comments. You were diparging the Democrats blaming them as a party. He was telling of the nations grief over the shooting. The same grief president Bush said at the 911 site after that event. Bush didn't blame the democrats, after Newton, you did. He said there will be a reckoning, as did Obama. I was not silent, I have agreed with his policy of banning certain weapons from the general public. If you missed my comments, look up my past posts, I'm pretty clear in my views.
If you feel I'm an "Obamabot" thats fine also, others that have read my comments on the president know of my view and some of my disagreements with him. But if "Obamabot" name calling works for you, go for it. I guess if you feel the need to tell me to fuck myself and call me a piece a shit several weeks after I called you out, no problem. Maybe Leroy's bullying attitude gave you the bravado you needed. Thats fine, there are lots of tuff guys behind computer screens.
I stand behind my comments, you had no right to play politics right after that shooting. If after a tragety such as that all you can feel is hate toward a political party and not grief for those that lost loved one at the time, well not much I can say to that. Good luck with your life bro....

[RealJustme]

I stand behind my comments, you had no right to play politics right after that shooting.

But Obama does have that right and you admit you stand by his agenda speech with pictures of the dead children behind him? Dude you are so much an Obamabot. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[snakeoil]

The disaster of Iraq was caused by liberals and others that would not let us finish the job properly. Now that liberals are in complete control of the Military, we've seen more of our people dead in 4 years of Obama than 8 years of Bush, and it's getting worse all around the world.

You're leaving a bit out of your arguement Leroy.

1. We were lied to by Bush and company. They had plenty of information that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Remember Ambassador Wilson going to Niger and finding that Niger had not sold Iraq any yellow cake? Remember the concensus that the aluminum tubes that were supposed to be for centafruges were inappropiate for that purpose? When Wilson went public with his findings Bush and co. destroyed him and his wife, Valery Plame.

2. Bush set up an honorable man (Colin Powell) and destroyed his career and reputation. I feel that Powell resigned because he wouldn't allow them to get him again.

3. Bush borrowed the funds to fight the war in Iraq from China, sinking us into debt for the sake of making his mark in history...he failed to mark his mark and destroyed any hope of history calling his Presidency and honorable one/

4. The de facto President (Dick Cheney) used the war to enrich Halliburton company with lavish contracts to do what the military traditionally did. Money flowed like water for Halliburton and Blackwater.

5. We were welcomed by the Iraqi people immediately after the invasion but the elation quickly turned to hate due to the inept bungling of Bush's occupation team. Remember the pallets of $100 bills that disappeared? Saddam Husseign's family made off with around $6 billion of Iraqi money.. Have you heard about any attempt to get it back or the Iraqis?

6. Bush left the Afghanistan war sit on the back burner while he concentrated on Iraq. This is why we are still in Afghanistan.

I admit that many Democrats voted for the war but Bush and co. led the entire country down the primrose path.

[Leroy]

The disaster of Iraq was caused by liberals and others that would not let us finish the job properly. Now that liberals are in complete control of the Military, we've seen more of our people dead in 4 years of Obama than 8 years of Bush, and it's getting worse all around the world.

You're leaving a bit out of your arguement Leroy.

1. We were lied to by Bush and company. They had plenty of information that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Remember Ambassador Wilson going to Niger and finding that Niger had not sold Iraq any yellow cake? Remember the concensus that the aluminum tubes that were supposed to be for centafruges were inappropiate for that purpose? When Wilson went public with his findings Bush and co. destroyed him and his wife, Valery Plame.

Um, you seem to be forgetting, there has NEVER been any PROOF that the Bush administration lied, never, none. But we have plenty of evidence the Obama has given Aid and Comfort to that same enemy. Remember that live, in Iraq, inspections, during the search for Saddam, found tons of illegal weapons and chemicals, and that much of the weapons found in non-military areas were from Germany and Spain and China - but you don't see anything having been done about that. What about the 30 days warning (delay) where LOTS of cargo ships and trucks left the country under diplomatic banner, not being searched?

Plame outed herself, dumbass.

What about Obama getting an Ambassador killed?

2. Bush set up an honorable man (Colin Powell) and destroyed his career and reputation. I feel that Powell resigned because he wouldn't allow them to get him again.

Powell was a good man, at first, but he ruined his own reputation.

3. Bush borrowed the funds to fight the war in Iraq from China, sinking us into debt for the sake of making his mark in history...he failed to mark his mark and destroyed any hope of history calling his Presidency and honorable one

Obama has borrowed money from China and everyone he can, to continue wars that he said he would end, to overthrow governments in the middle east - marking his failure as a leader, failure as honorable, making his presidency one of the worst in our entire history.

4. The de facto President (Dick Cheney) used the war to enrich Halliburton company with lavish contracts to do what the military traditionally did. Money flowed like water for Halliburton and Blackwater.

And Obama and his friends have used the same wars to increase their wealth, as well as the Sandy disaster, and other issues around the world - money never quite made it where it was supposed to go under Obama. Lets not forget, Obama has enabled/made many terrorist leaders wealthy and their supporters. Obama's Administration currently spends lavishly on themselves, on their vacations, on their parties, on that tax payers dime while telling the tax payer they need to pay more so that the Obama machine can continue to spend...

5. We were welcomed by the Iraqi people immediately after the invasion but the elation quickly turned to hate due to the inept bungling of Bush's occupation team. Remember the pallets of $100 bills that disappeared? Saddam Husseign's family made off with around $6 billion of Iraqi money.. Have you heard about any attempt to get it back or the Iraqis?

Remember that Obama and Liberals worked to change the rules in Iraq, and after Obama became president, he completely destroyed our troops ability to do any good - not to mention that Obama gave in to the terrorists at ever chance. Obama has lost far more money and weapons than you even remotely think Bush lost in money.

6. Bush left the Afghanistan war sit on the back burner while he concentrated on Iraq. This is why we are still in Afghanistan.

No, we're still in iraq because Obama's Administration would not let the Military to the job, they blocked them from doing the Job - and it was never a 'back burner" war for Bush - dumbass.

I admit that many Democrats voted for the war but Bush and co. led the entire country down the primrose path.

Nope, remember how Democrats supported Water Boarding until it became public, how they wondered if it was "harsh enough", and how they believed it to be effective - until it became public... We owe the capture and killing of OBL to intel gathered under the Bush Administration. Obama owes the Doctor that pin-pointed OBL a lot, but, like in Benghazi, Obama abandoned him too.

Son, you need to stop sniffing the glue.

Before you reply with more BS - please show the verified proof that Bush Lied, as you and other zealots have claimed for years. You will be the first in all that time to show the proof.... We all know that you won't, because Bush didn't lie as you claim.

Obama is far worse than Bush was ever "accused" of being - and his actions in support of terrorists, in getting our people killed, his actions in failing disaster victims.... all of it proves that he's worse.

[2X8]

1. We were lied to by Bush and company. They had plenty of information that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.

Really. Bush had it wrong but the Dumorats knew there were no WMD all along? Really?


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.


"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.


"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.


"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.


"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.


"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,


"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

[snakeoil]

wow Leroy-History rewritten. The one most blatent statement of your's was that Valeri Plame outed herself. I guess you odn't remember Richard Armitrage testifying that he outed her to journalists. I guess you don't remember the CIA sending Ambassador Wilson to Niger to see if yellow cake was being sold to Iraq. Wilson proved that it was impossible to sell that mch yellow cake and hide it from the world.

I also notice that you used your old ploy...Throw out a bunch of "Leroy's Famous Facts" and then tell others that they should "look it up."

[Leroy]

wow Leroy-History rewritten. The one most blatent statement of your's was that Valeri Plame outed herself. I guess you odn't remember Richard Armitrage testifying that he outed her to journalists. I guess you don't remember the CIA sending Ambassador Wilson to Niger to see if yellow cake was being sold to Iraq. Wilson proved that it was impossible to sell that mch yellow cake and hide it from the world.

I also notice that you used your old ploy...Throw out a bunch of "Leroy's Famous Facts" and then tell others that they should "look it up."

I guess you don't know about her, her own history, and those around her that said she had not kept her identity secret in the community - she was well known, well before this non-story happened.

I noticed you ignored the one tell-tale statement you made - "Bush Lied" - when I asked for proof you just ran away, like all the others. How come you throw out Bush Lied and then don't provide any proof - and then you complain about me not providing proof or links - hypocrite.

Nothing I wrote is a lie or a distortion, it's all available for you to verify if you actually cared to know the truth instead of getting your 'facts' from moveon.org or Obama's propaganda machine.

[Leroy]

Snake, maybe you should look up Plame's history with Wilson, and how her name went around the world in intel searches because of her involvement with him. She outed herself in 1995 and then with Wilson in 1997. She wasn't outed in the news until July 2003. So, you, again, didn't do your due diligence, you didn't actually look for ALL of the facts, and you've fallen for the lies and deception of the left/liberals.

Now that you know the truth about VP, how about you share with the board the PROOF that Bush Lied?

[elklindo69]

Snake, maybe you should look up Plame's history with Wilson, and how her name went around the world in intel searches because of her involvement with him. She outed herself in 1995 and then with Wilson in 1997. She wasn't outed in the news until July 2003. So, you, again, didn't do your due diligence, you didn't actually look for ALL of the facts, and you've fallen for the lies and deception of the left/liberals.

Now that you know the truth about VP, how about you share with the board the PROOF that Bush Lied?

Where are the WMDs???

Anybody???

[Leroy]

Where are the WMDs???

Anybody???

Got any proof that Bush lied? Yea, Didn't think so, and it's been almost a decade and still no proof that Bush lied.

[BilboBagend]

Lied????


Yes, in that he had Cheney coerce their subordinates to give them the evidence they wanted even though it was clear it had to be hand selected, twisted, and massaged out of the most unreliable evidence available. Just like liar leroy.

[Leroy]

Lied????


Yes, in that he had Cheney coerce their subordinates to give them the evidence they wanted even though it was clear it had to be hand selected, twisted, and massaged out of the most unreliable evidence available. Just like liar leroy.

Once again we have a "Claim" that Bush lied, and as usual, not a single bit of evidence to prove it.

Even Snake ran away from this thread because he knew he was lying, didn't know the real truth, and that he didn't look back far enough, and that there was no proof that Bush lied.

[snakeoil]

Leroy-I notice that you claim that I ran because I couldn't take the heat of your assertion that Bush didn't lie. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am embarking on a small project and I have been working on that for the past several days. I often drop the discussions with you as I understand your methods. You make dubious comments and when others question or dispute you you tell them to “look it up.” I'm not about to let you run me around the Internet attempting to prove your statements are false or misleading. The premise that Bush didn't lie to the American people has to be answered though, as his damage to the country will take a generation to correct.

1. After 9/11, Bush appointed the “consummate Washington insider” Henry Kissinger to the first commission on 9/11. after one of the widows of a 9/11 victim asked if he had any clients in his company named Osama bin Laden, Kissinger became flustered and resigned as commission head. He was replaced by Condoleeza Rice to keep an eye on the commission and make sure that no embarrassing disclosures came out of the hearings.

2. Cheney argued that “as wartime President” Bush could operate “unfettered by legal restraints.” Bush took Cheney's statements to greatly expand the powers of the Presidency.

3. Bush instructed Richard Clark (counter-terrorism chief) “See if Saddam did this (9/11.) When clark pointed out that al Qaeda did it; Bush tersely replied, “Do it.)

4. Rumsfeld ordered the military to draw up strike plans for Iraq saying that Iraq had better targets than Afghanistan.

5. Richard Perle, in a White House meeting attended by Bush, stated that “Iraq has to pay a price for what happened yesterday. They bear responsibility.”

6. The Project for a New American Century wrote a letter to Bush, “even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategic aiming at the eradication of terrorism and it's sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

7. Note-Hussein was an avowed enemy of al qaeda and the anti-USA government of Iran.

8. Bush (atop the World Trade Center rubble) “Our responsibility to history is already clear. To answer these attacks and rid the world of evil.”

9. The day after the above address Bush authorized the CIA to establish detension facilities outside the US (Thialand, Georgia, Estonia, Egypt, Syria (Yes, that Syria,) Saudi Arabia, etc.)for rendition (torture) and extended imprisonment.

10. Immediately after 9/11 the Bush authorized the arrest and detainment of 1200 men considered threats (Muslim.) another 8000 were sought for interrogation.

11. The alert system was manipulated daily to convince the American public that there was a threat to their safety. Tom Ridge resigned after the Bush administration began identifying points of vulnerability. First 160 sites, by the end of 2003 it was 1849, by the end of 2004 it was 28,360, at the end of 2005 it was 78,000 and 300,000 in 2007. This included petting zoos, popcorn stands, ice cream parlors and the Mule Day Parade in Columbia, Tennessee.

12. Abu Zubaydah was designated by Bush as “al Qaeda's chief of operations” and was water-boarded 83 times. It turned out that he was a minor operative who had mental problems and was not even a member of al Qaeda.

13. Bush's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, “From the start, we were building that case against Hussein and looking at how we could take him out and change Iraq into a new country. And, if we did that, it would solve everything. It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The President saying, Fine. Go find me a way to do this.”

There is much more but I think this will give ahint as to the mindset of Bush and co.

[Leroy]

I see your misdirection and deflection, but I don't see anything that is "Proof" that Bush Lied - I figured you would misdirect, or dishonorably run away from your claim, I wasn't disappointed by you.

[Leroy]

There is much more but I think this will give ahint as to the mindset of Bush and co.

What it does is show me that you, like all the others, have no proof that Bush lied.

It's funny that you take a Terrorists claims that he's not part of the terror network, I didn't expect you to be that gullible.

If you want to see a HIT OF THE MINDSET of the Anti-Bush people, just look at your own post - no proof that he lied, just misdirection, speculation, not a shred of proof in it, yet you're still claiming Bush lied. Many claimed that Scott's book would prove Bush lied, many, almost all on the first Poli Board, and then it came out that he said Bush didn't lie, and those same people ran away...

Face it, after all these years there still isn't ANY proof that Bush lied, but there is proof that Bush was right about his approach on terrorism, since we've seen Obama's BEFRIEND THE ENEMY approach has cost more lives than under Bush and it's emboldened the terrorists, and he's made them stronger.... If you idiots put as much effort into Obama's corruption and Anti-American actions as you did into "Bush Lied", we would have impeached Obama and charged him with Treason already.

[snakeoil]

I love the way that you anti's throw that impreachment of a President around like it's a small thing. Impeachment is for "Treason, Bribery, and other high crimes and misdemenors" not for when you think that a President is doing something that you don't like. Impeachment is like an indictment; it is not a trial. The lower house (House of Representatives) holds the impeachment hearings and then the Senate holds the trial. This is an extremely serious thing to happen to the country and the consequences to the citizenry is huge. All actions of the Congress cease until the impeachment actions are completed. It would be wise if those of you who have litle comprehension of what an impeachment would do to the country would start thinking a bit. We have enough problems in this country without our politicians throwing around impeachment warnings. In the two impeachment proceedings of the President to date, (Nixon's never got to a vote) wiser Representatives realized what the impeachment action would do to the country and voted against impeachment.

[Leroy]

I love the way that you anti's throw that impreachment of a President around like it's a small thing. Impeachment is for "Treason, Bribery, and other high crimes and misdemenors" not for when you think that a President is doing something that you don't like.

Obama should be impeached, he's taken bribes and committed treason by giving AID and COMFORT to the enemy. This is one time I firmly stand behind the impeachment and tried for Treason of anyone, he's done more harm to this country than any person that has come before him.

[Leroy]

BTW - Obama has still failed to provide real help for the Sandy victims, and there is little complaint from the MSM or even the blind libs on this board. Hell, you morons were bitching about Bush not providing help quick enough when the Governor to him they didn't need help and to stay out, but nothing about Obama failing to provide help or FEMA under Obama wasting billions on toys for their own people and not providing even blankets or drinking to people stuck in the cold.