[RealJustme]

They don't bow down to liberal bullshit...oh and they're not led by liberals.

Utah sheriffs Association warns Obama they'll die to defend Second Amendment
15 hrs ago

The Utah Sheriffs' Association has issued fightin' words to President Obama. In a stern letter, the organization hints they would go to war against the federal government in the event their citizens are denied their right to bear arms against criminals and "tyrannical subjugation." The organization urges the government to "make no mistake … we will enforce the rights to our citizens guaranteed by the Constitution." In conclusion, the letter states: "We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation."

[DarknLadyJedi]

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"With the number of mass shootings America has endured, it is easy to demonize firearms," the letters reads. "As professional peace officers, if we understand nothing else, we understand this: lawful violence must sometimes be employed to deter and stop criminal violence."

[justdoit]

Maybe I missed it, but when the Brady bill was passed I didn't read or hear about the great utah war. Could someone direct me to where it was reported?
And could someone give me the story of the battle out west when "black talon" bullets were forced off the market. You know those pesky bullets that could penetrate body armour, as in law enforcement armour. Tell me of the good fight that ensued by the "Utah sheriffs association" when we were denied our 2nd amendment rights to those little guys.

[RealJustme]

Maybe I missed it...

That's an understatement :lol: :lol: :lol:

[justdoit]

Just me
Then by all means fill us in on the juicy details !!
I enjoy good fiction.

[Leroy]

Justdoit fails to know that there are currently a lot of ammo types that will penetrate a BP vest, and that a Shotgun Slug will kill any person wearing a BP vest if they are hit in the chest at close range.

You also seem to have missed that the Brady Bill did NOT have any impact on Gun Related crimes in the USA.

[justdoit]

Oh Leroy
You have no clue what I know and fail to know, but nice try at the personal attack, very effective, you seem to do it quite often, lots of practice.
Maybe you can make up some fiction here as Just me seems not able. Tell us what other ammo the "Utah sheriffs association" is or has gone to war over to secure our 2nd amendment rights. I mean ammo already has been removed from the shelves, so I missed reading about the war in Utah over it.
Fill us in good Leroy Tell em what I don't know, and if your unable you can always fall back on that personal attack thing you seem to excell in.

[Leroy]

Oh Leroy
You have no clue what I know and fail to know, but nice try at the personal attack, very effective, you seem to do it quite often, lots of practice.
Maybe you can make up some fiction here as Just me seems not able. Tell us what other ammo the "Utah sheriffs association" is or has gone to war over to secure our 2nd amendment rights. I mean ammo already has been removed from the shelves, so I missed reading about the war in Utah over it.
Fill us in good Leroy Tell em what I don't know, and if your unable you can always fall back on that personal attack thing you seem to excell in.

Tell me why you brought it up if you knew that it was a meaningless bit of information?

[justdoit]

Leroy
I bring it up as it (the removal of a certain type of ammunition) as an example of the silly non issue all this gun rhetorik has become. A law was inacted,an ammunation was removed from general public use, the sun came up, the world didn't come to an end, and we had an election as we do every four years. All this bull, and this post ie. artical he (justme) extracted it from has nothing to do about anything except to excite the masses. This country is NOT going to to ban guns, we all know it. Anyone who says otherwise is just yelling fire in the crowded theater. The banning of certain types of weapons has no bearing on our continued govt or its direction in the future. And any argument that trys to portray those gun nuts that feel they need 30 round mag, and yes I will call them assult weapons, as patroits required to keep this country safe from tyrants is in my way of thinking, just that, nuts. You were in the military, thus I am sure you know full well that some while well intended gun nuts around the country will not ever deside the direction of our govt with the use of some assult weapons. Thus what good are said assult weapons to the general public. About as much use as those "talon bullets".
Thats why I brought it up

[Leroy]

Leroy
I bring it up as it (the removal of a certain type of ammunition) as an example of the silly non issue all this gun rhetorik has become. A law was inacted,an ammunation was removed from general public use, the sun came up, the world didn't come to an end, and we had an election as we do every four years. All this bull, and this post ie. artical he (justme) extracted it from has nothing to do about anything except to excite the masses. This country is NOT going to to ban guns, we all know it. Anyone who says otherwise is just yelling fire in the crowded theater. The banning of certain types of weapons has no bearing on our continued govt or its direction in the future. And any argument that trys to portray those gun nuts that feel they need 30 round mag, and yes I will call them assult weapons, as patroits required to keep this country safe from tyrants is in my way of thinking, just that, nuts. You were in the military, thus I am sure you know full well that some while well intended gun nuts around the country will not ever deside the direction of our govt with the use of some assult weapons. Thus what good are said assult weapons to the general public. About as much use as those "talon bullets".
Thats why I brought it up

I disagree, since banning talon bullets had no real impact on anything, as there are bullets just as effective, it was another move towards vilifying the tool instead of the criminal, it was a move to remove weapons/ammo from the public that could help in saving a country from a fascist government or other group. Cops are not the only people that wear vests, bad guys do to.

As for your "what good are said assult weapons to the general public." comment, well, it appears that you don't understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment. The second amendment wasn't meant for personal protection, for hunting, for target shooting, it was meant to keep an armed public that was powerful enough to overthrow a fascist/oppressive government, like what out founding fathers had left behind.

So, what good is that "Assault" looking weapon, lots, it's what has the oppressive/fascists doing all they can to vilify good people, to vilify guns, to do all they can to eliminate the threat to a oppressive/fascist government that they are trying to become.

[brandon]

Too funny... I'll have to bump this for an answer.

The Great Utah War....

:lol:

[DarknLadyJedi]

A couple of things, BT rounds were banned because Winchester reported that it should be, but they made millions and millions of rounds before they went and pointed out that they should be forced to stop production. Those rounds became overnight major sellers. The BT's really are not that much better at armor than other comparable rounds, and worse than some that are still on the market. Plus most rifle rounds will go through soft armor without much issue.

As for the Utah Sheriff's you might notice that they say they will not enforce, or allow to be enforced, illegal executive orders. They do not say that they will not enforce lawfully enacted laws voted on and passed by Congress.

[Leroy]

Testing results for different rounds against Soft Body Armor
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot16.htm

Even a 12g slug can kill someone wearing a vest, because of Blunt Force Trauma.

[brandon]

Is anyone going to answer the question?

C'mon guys don't be too pussy to say what you believe. Have some motherfuckin' courage.

Here I'll say it for you. The difference this time is that the their is a nigger in office.
That wasn't so hard now was it?
I can't wait to see these fat lazy suburban cops pussy out on their violent Teabagger revolution after their bluff is called. . They're not going to do a damn thing.

The Great Utah War.......TFF :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvD5SM_uI4

[justdoit]

Brandon
No I disagree, this has nothing to do about the color of the president's skin, at least to most here. This whole posting in my opinion has to do about believabilaty.

The belief that this govt can be overthrown, by although well meaning, clueless citizens. That they will be able to dictate policy with simi auto weapons. That argument just places them farther into a corner in the eyes of the majority. The sooner the "Tea party" backers comes to grips with this the sooner they will have the power necessary to achive their goals. Much of which I agree with, at least their core princples.

The belief that the 2nd admendment is for those citizens to protect the constitution with anything at their disposal. Thats is not quite its full intent. The 2nd admendment indeed gives our citizens the right to bear arms, those in a a well regulated milita. After ww2 this country has had a well regulated milita, the largest in the world in fact. And they do indeed have the weapons required to defend our constitution. There are some here that feels a 30 round magazine will give them the power. I doubt it, just my opinion. The 2nd admendment does not give our citizens the right to own any and all arms. The supreme court reinforces that point. There comes a time when decisions must be made as to what harm certain weapons produce as compared what good they produce in our socity. And this is such a time.

[Leroy]

Here I'll say it for you. The difference this time is that the their is a nigger in office.

How can it be about Odumbasses color/race when Herman Cain was a very strong contender before he whimped out - I was going to vote for him.

The difference between violence is the democrat controlled areas vs non-democrat controlled areas is that Democrats tell the masses that someone else is to blame for their failures, their problems, and the democrats incite violence against the people that don't fall for the trap of their lies.

[brandon]

One more time.

Maybe I missed it, but when the Brady bill was passed I didn't read or hear about the great utah war. Could someone direct me to where it was reported?
And could someone give me the story of the battle out west when "black talon" bullets were forced off the market. You know those pesky bullets that could penetrate body armour, as in law enforcement armour. Tell me of the good fight that ensued by the "Utah sheriffs association" when we were denied our 2nd amendment rights to those little guys.