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#17158
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... start.html

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Since its creation in 1965, Head Start, the federal program designed to provide comprehensive child development services to low-income preschoolers, has cost American taxpayers almost $200 billion. Now, in a December 21 Friday night document dump, the Department of Health and Human Services made public the results of an Impact Study completed in 2008.

The verdict: a program set up to give disadvantaged kids a boost before they hit kindergarten has not only squandered billions, but any gains made by three and four year olds virtually disappeared by the time the little ones entered school. According to Fox News:

Not only were the third-grade evaluation results poor, so was the department's handling of the study. HHS sat on the results for four years. All that time, taxpayers were kept in the dark while their tax dollars continued to fund a completely ineffective program.

HHS had finished collecting all the data in 2008. Despite persistent prodding by members of Congress, the Department did not make the report (coyly dated October 2012) public until the Friday before Christmas. The timing couldn't have been better if your goal is to get minimal attention.

Surely HHS was not eager to release yet another report showing that the feel-good Head Start program doesn't work. But numbers don't lie.

The third-grade follow-up study found that access to Head Start had no statistically measurable effects on cognitive ability, including numerous measures of reading, language and math ability.

The evaluation also examined the program's effect on social-emotional development. It found that children in the 4-year-old group actually reported worse peer relations in third grade than their non-Head Start counterparts.

In his 2008 third presidential debate Obama told the moderator he would get rid of "giveaways" like insurance company subsidies that "don't help seniors get better... I want to go through the federal budget line by line, programs that don't work, we cut."

If the newly elected President meant what he said why did HHS led by Kathleeen Sebelius not only hide a report for four years but pour $2.1 billion dollars of stimulus monies into Head Start and Early Head Start in 2009 -- a year after the data had been compiled?

Just recently another $100 million to Head Start was included in the Hurricane Sandy relief bill. The learning program's failure to achieve its goal of preparing low-income children for elementary school and closing the achievement gap for poor students has not deterred our government from funding this travesty.

Why should they? "It's for the children" has been a very lucrative marketing ploy for liberal Democrats. Progressives have amassed gobs of money using the underclasses as bait.
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#17180
How about the Department of Energy that has spent somewhere around 700 billion dollars since 1977 and it's prime stated goal of reducing our dependance on foreign oil is a total failure since we are more dependent now than ever.
#17188
How about the conservative war on drugs. What are we up to now? At least one trillion and counting. And what do we have to show for it???

And can anybody here on this board honestly say that the government is winning the war on drugs?????????????
#17191
Shim, Elk, I'm all for closing down those programs, along with the EPA, NEA, Arts, public assistance longer than 90 days, etc...

So, care to state your positions on the failure of the head-start program?
#17195
In the grand scheme of things, the costs to taxpayers are meaningless in relation to the federal budget.

The federal budget is 2.5 trillion dollars or 2500 billion dollars and head start costs, 7 billon?

7/2500*100 = 0.28%

Now compare that to the drug war. Trillions of dollars. Thousands of lives lost. Millions incarcerated.

It's a no brainer.
#17219
elklindo69 wrote:In the grand scheme of things, the costs to taxpayers are meaningless in relation to the federal budget.
Shame you take the position of government spending being meaningless.

Any program that does not have a positive impact should be terminated, why do you, by your own statement, support wasting middle class tax payers money?
#17262
Elk, That is the true mindset of liberals, that it's only 7 Billion as if 7 Billion is meaningless. Well after time all those 5 Billion here, 7 Billion there add up to some pretty substantial bucks and keep in mind that to make it worse, we borrowed 40% of it and are paying interest on that loan and are essentially just burning the money.
#17315
BilboBagend wrote:Head Start works very well. The failure is in the later stages of education.

Now back to the lies of the malignant reactionaries.
"The third-grade follow-up study found that access to Head Start had no statistically measurable effects on cognitive ability, including numerous measures of reading, language and math ability."

If head-start provided was it was designed to provide, it would not be wasted by third-grade - dumbass.
#17326
BilboBagend wrote:You think quoting a radical reactionary source that consistently lies proves anyt5hing? Try IBD next. Or, perhaps Faux news.
I see you're doing the old insult and misdirect crap when you can't invalidate the truth and when that truth invalidates your beliefs.
#17356
Shimmer wrote:Elk, That is the true mindset of liberals, that it's only 7 Billion as if 7 Billion is meaningless. Well after time all those 5 Billion here, 7 Billion there add up to some pretty substantial bucks and keep in mind that to make it worse, we borrowed 40% of it and are paying interest on that loan and are essentially just burning the money.
Someone from the Bush administration spent $225,000 taxpayer dollars to pimp up their bathroom. So are they supposed to get a gold plated toilet seat to take a fucking shit???

All politicians burn money, for their little pet projects in their congressional districts, so what's your point???????????????????
#17372
elklindo69 wrote:Someone from the Bush administration spent $225,000 taxpayer dollars to pimp up their bathroom. So are they supposed to get a gold plated toilet seat to take a fucking shit???
Actually it was a ICE agent in charge of the Michigan/Ohio region, Brian Moskowits (also known as Abu Moskowitz)

You might want to do a little research before you post again: Moskowitz was chosen by Hillary and Bill’s liberal Customs Commissioner Ray Kelly.

He also works for the Obama Administration currently. He (Moskowits) has been connected to several terror groups (he's supported them), but the Obama Administration does nothing about this - like they do nothing about others in their Administration connected to terror groups.

One more thing - that $225,000 was actually spent in 2011 for a ICE picnic and motivational speaker event. He, during Obama's terms, has spent over $100,000 to remodel his office (a second time).

So, it seems that the chap has actually been doing what you claim on Obama's watch, with Obama's approval.
#17424
heres proof that head start
WORKS!!
San Antonio's Pre-K 4 SA educational initiative is one of the Top 10 State and Metropolitan Innovations to Watch, according to a list released Friday.

The Brookings-Rockefeller Project on State and Metropolitan Innovation released the list that highlights their picks of the country's leading problem-solving efforts sure to impact 2013 and beyond.

Pre-K 4 SA was chosen for the "Metro Opportunity" category because of the effort to build a more skilled workforce in the region.

The initiative uses revenue generated by a 1/8 percent sales tax and other state as well as federal dollars to provide pre-kindergarten for eligible four-year-olds in San Antonio.

On Brookings.edu the group made the following observation:

For San Antonio Mayor Julián Castro and a coalition of metropolitan leaders, including the city's largest chambers of commerce, retrenching even farther on education was an unacceptable threat to the regional economy. Given the city's lagging Pre-K enrollment—more than one-third of eligible four-year-old children are not enrolled in full day pre-K programs due in part to inadequate funding—and evidence that early childhood education has a large impact on student performance in secondary and tertiary school, regional leaders directed their focus on this phase of the educational system.

The mayor and a bipartisan coalition championed a local ballot initiative, which passed in November, to raise $31 million annually for 8 years through a 1/8 cent sales tax to strengthen the pre-K education system. Through the program, dubbed "Pre-K 4 SA," the city hopes to provide full day pre-K for more than 22,000 students over the course of the next eight years, strengthening the path to college and long-term success for more of the city's students and provide professional development for all early childhood educators in the city.
#17439
markjean59 wrote:heres proof that head start
WORKS!!
There was NOTHING in your post that indicates it does more than generate money for the program - where are the stats (proof) that the kids actually benefit from it?
#17512
markjean59 wrote:LEROY APPARENTLY YOU DIDNT READ IT ALL: Pre-K 4 SA was chosen for the "Metro Opportunity" category because of the effort to build a more skilled workforce in the region.
Here is the part you missed, let me quote it for you "because of the effort" = they can't prove it's providing any gains, but they will continue to spend tons of money in hope that you don't notice that they've never proven any gain.
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