[Leroy]

http://documents.latimes.com/president- ... un-policy/

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/aw_final.pdf

"According to studies of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, the ban had little effect on reducing gun crime. A Department of Justice study by Roth and Koper of the original ban points out,"We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple bullet wounds per victim."

In addition, the study says,"At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders.""

Gun Control/Bans don't stop mass killings:
"Many gun control advocates, including Michael Bloomberg, admit that an Assault Weapons Ban will not prevent mass shootings. In addition, even while the last Assault Weapons Ban was in effect, 14 mass shootings still occurred during that time period, including the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School."

"We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple bullet wounds per victim."

[snakeoil]

Went to buy some foam for one of my projects today. The shop is right next to a large gun shop. Must have been 40 people in the shop. Saw a friend coming out of the shop and he said that they are selling out of everything and the shop has only six rifles in stock.

[BilboBagend]

True enough. Still a usual lair leroy lie. Partial information. Bad analysis. Yes, legless laws have no effect.

No surprise. Let the NRA and morons gut the law and it won't work. No Surprise.

Just a lesson for this pass.

[Leroy]

Just a lesson for this pass.

All of the gun bans/laws have failed to protect anyone, and they only endanger the innocent people.

We don't muzzle people before they enter a theater IN CASE THEY MIGHT scream Fire, we should treat the 2nd the same way.

Where guns are present in mass there are less gun crimes - and that's a fact.

[BilboBagend]

Actual real data:

1) The previous Assault Weapons Ban" didn't work.

Well, it actually did work. There was a reduction in murder that was clearly attributable to the "Assault Weapons Ban" even though it had loopholes that you could drive a aircraft carrier through. It was a small effect for sure, but it was a clear positive effect that reduced murder in the United States.

2) Reducing the number of guns will not reduce the number of murders.

Again, there have been studies that clearly show that reducing the number of guns in the hands of violent people reduces the number of murders. One such study was of domestic violence cases. One jurisdiction with thousands of cases had court orders to remove guns from violent domestic abusers. The domestic violence murder rate, not just the gun violence rate, was reduced by 40% in that jurisdiction.

40% is a lot to any sane person.

liar leroy, as always, is just a liar and a supporter of the gun manufacturers for his own personal malevolent reasons. Who cares why. He has consistently proved himself to be a liar who will say anything to suypport his anti-American malevolence.

[RealJustme]

In every city where gun possession by legal owners was banned, violent crime went up, in every single one of them. Look at Chicago, Detriot, DC, Philadelphia and others, violences has sky rocketed.

If I were Mayor of one of those cities I would provide tax dollars to assist every law abidding family in obtaining a gun. Of course that would leave out most of the Democrats, but hell they're carrying illegal weapons any way, so arm the good guys so they can fight back. If they don't have a criminal records and are working residents paying taxes, give them part of their money back to arm themselves.

[snakeoil]

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... australia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In Canada, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 17311
2008: 20014 11
2007: 188
2006: 190
2005: 223
2004: 173
2003: 161
2002: 152
2001: 171
2000: 184
1999: 165
1998: 151
1997: 18611
1996: 207
1995: 168

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/canada" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... hs/260189/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Leroy]

Actual real data:

1) The previous Assault Weapons Ban" didn't work.

Well, it actually did work. There was a reduction in murder that was clearly attributable to the "Assault Weapons Ban" even though it had loopholes that you could drive a aircraft carrier through. It was a small effect for sure, but it was a clear positive effect that reduced murder in the United States.

2) Reducing the number of guns will not reduce the number of murders.

Again, there have been studies that clearly show that reducing the number of guns in the hands of violent people reduces the number of murders. One such study was of domestic violence cases. One jurisdiction with thousands of cases had court orders to remove guns from violent domestic abusers. The domestic violence murder rate, not just the gun violence rate, was reduced by 40% in that jurisdiction.

40% is a lot to any sane person.

liar leroy, as always, is just a liar and a supporter of the gun manufacturers for his own personal malevolent reasons. Who cares why. He has consistently proved himself to be a liar who will say anything to suypport his anti-American malevolence.

And yet every study that can be found shows that Banning Guns doesn't decrease crime, doesn't decrease gun violence, from Democrat Studies to Liberal studies, to University studies, to the FBI and NIJ studies.

Seems that you can't do more than lie about what you claim Dildo.

[BilboBagend]

liar leroy thinks that repeating his lies makes them more valid. It only proves his own willingness to lie.

[Leroy]

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.

In a country that has almost no guns accessible by the population, you can't really look at their gun related deaths, but, if you look at other deaths, in relation to what weapons they have that we have the same access to, there isn't much difference.

So, compare the USA to countries where the citizens have free access to guns, we are far from the worst of them.

There were 8,853 total firearms murders in 2011, 8,874 in 2010, and according to Snake, 12,000 in 2008 - so, without a gun ban/control, the number of gun related murders has been decreasing every year. Additionally, something that the lunatics don't account for, they don't separate Suicides from Murders when they spew their deceptions - Suicides account for more gun deaths than any other gun related deaths. Suicide is going to happen, just as commonly, without guns.

Maybe Snake should consider that in Japan, more people committed Suicide in 2009 than all forms of gun deaths (murder and suicide combined) in the USA.

[Leroy]

liar leroy thinks that repeating his lies makes them more valid. It only proves his own willingness to lie.

The only one lying is you Dildo - show the numbers, show where they came from - your data is dishonest, false, lies, deception.

[BilboBagend]

IBID

[Leroy]

IBID

Come on, post your data, post what you believe invalidates the FBI, NIJ, University reviews, the report from the Clinton Administration - come one, don't act like a malignant liar, prove those places wrong.

[elklindo69]

According to the CDC 33,687 died in car accidents and 31,672 died from firearms.

The DOT exists to make our roads safer, but NRA lobbied to prohibit the CDC to receive government funding to study the causes of firearm deaths. So the NRA doesn't think that the deaths of 31,672 people from a single cause is not a public health hazzard????????????????????????

[markjean59]

GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE!!!! ONLY PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

[justdoit]

Markjean59
As does a Nuclear bomb, Talon bullets, poison gas, and 155mm shells shot from a cannon. Its the people using them that kill people also, but for some odd reason they seem to be illigal to the general public. Don't I have a 2nd amendent right to own those to defend myself?? If 30 rounds shot in 20 seconds or less is ok, why can't I step it up a notch and use poison gas to do em in?

[Leroy]

According to the CDC 33,687 died in car accidents and 31,672 died from firearms.

The DOT exists to make our roads safer, but NRA lobbied to prohibit the CDC to receive government funding to study the causes of firearm deaths. So the NRA doesn't think that the deaths of 31,672 people from a single cause is not a public health hazzard????????????????????????

Elk, died from firearms includes Suicides, and more than half of those deaths were Suicides. How many of the dead from car accidents were suicides?

It sure doesn't seem that the DOT made the roads safer if more people died from automobile "accidents" and than GUN ACCIDENTS (Suicide is not an accident, so you have to cut that gun deaths number by about 60%). Oh, and Murder is not an Accident either, so your statement is very misleading, on purpose I would guess.

Consider this, there are 247 Million Passenger vehicles registered in the USA
There are believed to be 270 Million guns in civilian hands in the USA

Vehicle deaths by accident are (33,687, your number)
Gun deaths by "accident" are (851 in 2011)

Gun accident deaths only represent 2.52% of the automobile accident deaths.

Now you know the real truth about the misleading numbers you posted.

[BilboBagend]

No need for speed limits, people still die in car crashes at 10 mph

No need for murder laws, people still get murdered

No need for safety standards at work, people still get injured.

No person ever was murdered by any means without there being a murderer, So why restrict or regulate dangerous poisons, nuclear materials, toxins, biologic agents, etc.


Crazy is crazy. Absolutist arguments are lies from the deep fringe.

All they prove is that they are dishonest malignant liars wi8lling to say anything to preserve their sick desires at the expense of everyone else.