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#16717
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/0 ... ?mobile=nc


Compensation for chief executives at American companies grew 15 percent in 2011 after a 28 percent rise in 2010, part of a larger trend that has seen CEO pay skyrocket over the last three decades. Workers, on the other hand, have been left behind.

Since 1978, CEO pay at American firms has risen 725 percent, more than 127 times faster than worker pay over the same time period, according to new data from the Economic Policy Institute:

From 1978 to 2011, CEO compensation increased more than 725 percent, a rise substantially greater than stock market growth and the painfully slow 5.7 percent growth in worker compensation over the same period.

In 1978, CEOs took home 26.5 times more than the average worker. They now make roughly 206 times more than workers, EPI found. The pay isn’t always tied to the performance of their businesses — as ThinkProgress has noted, CEOs at companies like Bank of America often pocket huge pay increases even as the company’s stock price plummets and jobs are cut.

Workers’ wages aren’t tied to productivity either. Despite substantial gains in productivity since the 1970s, worker pay has remained flat. According to Labor Department data cited by the Huffington Post, inflation-adjusted wages fell 2 percent in 2011.

As a result, American income inequality has skyrocketed, growing worse than it is in countries like Pakistan and Ivory Coast. Wealth inequality is worse than it was even in Ancient Rome. And, as pay skyrockets and tax rates fall for the richest Americans, the rising inequality has left the bottom 95 percent of Americans saddled with more debt than ever before.
#16725
This is the clear product of "Free Market Capitalistic Forces". Oh, wait, everything is driven to commodity prices in any real "Free Market Capitalistic" economy. I wonder what the cause might be. Oh, that would be a cabal managing the economy for their own benefit, much like any other autocratic economic system, say the Soviet managed economy. Managed economies always fail in the long run, much like ours is starting to fail.

Adam Smith correctly invented Capitalism as a cure for economies managed by the wealthy. Too bad we have never really had a free market capitalistic economy. Yet, we have proved that the closer you get to a free market capitalistic economy the better the economy performs, the wealthier the wealthy get, and the larger and healthier the middle class grows. Too bad the greedy shoot thyemselves in the foot for the illusory benefit of having a greater disparity in wealth.
#16774
Have you noticed how liberals/progressives always vilify successful people, but they won't change the laws to penalize themselves - just like Al Gore selling a company to a terrorist group in order to avoid the Jan 1 2013 tax increase on capital gains.
#16810
Have you noticed that lair leroy always has to employ a false straw man to make his false arguments. It's his basic nature, his malevolence, his total dishonesty and lack of any honor.

Those in positions of power have privilege beyond the common man and with that comes responsibility beyond the common man. Simply having power does no gives you superior rights, only superior ability to rape the world. Those who abuse that power should be vilified. Those who deal with it honestly and equitably should be praised. We all aspire to having sufficient wealth to be secure, healthy, and have some luxury in our life. Exposing abuse is not vilifying. It is honesty. Something with which liar leroy has no experience
#16813
BilboBagend wrote:Have you noticed that lair leroy always has to employ a false straw man to make his false arguments. It's his basic nature, his malevolence, his total dishonesty and lack of any honor.

Those in positions of power have privilege beyond the common man and with that comes responsibility beyond the common man. Simply having power does no gives you superior rights, only superior ability to rape the world. Those who abuse that power should be vilified. Those who deal with it honestly and equitably should be praised. We all aspire to having sufficient wealth to be secure, healthy, and have some luxury in our life. Exposing abuse is not vilifying. It is honesty. Something with which liar leroy has no experience
There you go again, failing to hold Liberals/Democrats/Progressives to the same standard.
#16848
To a point I agree with Leroy
We SHOULD hold Liberals/Democrats/ Progressives/Unions/middle class/ intelligent republicans/and all those with common sense accounable for ALLOWING THE FEW TO RAPE THIS COUNTRY of its values, wealth, resorces, and respect in the eyes of the world.
#16861
justdoit wrote:To a point I agree with Leroy
We SHOULD hold Liberals/Democrats/ Progressives/Unions/middle class/ intelligent republicans/and all those with common sense accounable for ALLOWING THE FEW TO RAPE THIS COUNTRY of its values, wealth, resorces, and respect in the eyes of the world.
If you really want to hold someone accountable - hold the voters accountable, they keep putting the bad people in office.
#16869
Leroy
No arguement from me on that issue. Problem is its like do I vote for Coke, or Coke classic? Same crap, different label. They used gerrymandering in my distric this past election, they admitted it, said politics can be a dirty bussiness.
#16881
justdoit wrote:Leroy
No arguement from me on that issue. Problem is its like do I vote for Coke, or Coke classic? Same crap, different label. They used gerrymandering in my distric this past election, they admitted it, said politics can be a dirty bussiness.
That's not really true, it's an excuse.

I voted for Romney, but I sent his campaign several letters explaining WHY I was going to vote for him and what I expected. I've done the same with every politician I've voted for, for years - and I tell them that I won't vote for them if they continue down the wrong path if there is a chance of a candidate that looks like they will follow the good path.\

While you can't really have an impact at the National Level, you CAN and WILL have an impact at the local level and you can keep letting them know that you approve/disapprove of their policy paths, and you can eventually get a good guy far enough up the chain to make it to POTUSA, but you can't start at the top, it has to be fixed from the bottom because it's too corrupt to fix from the top currently.
#16882
Leroy
Unfortunately While I agree with you in theory, I feel our country is beyond that. Until our leaders can reign in special intrests, our intrests will not be given equal weight, not in Washinton, state, and many times local govt. And I don't think its going to get better any time soon. Lets face it who has the power,at least over the power of green, as in money.
No I take that back, the tea party has shown some muscle. I don't agree with a lot of what they have become, but I think their beliefs began for the right reasons.
#16889
Let's see if I understand Leroy:

He wants government to do little to nothing but wants government tro reign in special interests. How about other unnecessary services like infrastructure, water & sewage services, anti-monopoly regulations, regulation of interstate commerce (to keep one state from taxing all goods not made in that state,) regulation of interstate traffic, support of state militias (National Guard,) flood control of interstate areas, potable water services involving more than one state, environmental laws to keep one state from polluting others, support for import/export facilities where the geography makes such feasible, interstate banking regulations (I agree that we have gotten lax on this one,) border protection involving more than one state, protection of our native populations (the US recognizes them as sovereign nations enjoying the rights and services of the USA.) and on and on.
#16899
There is always a government. There is always regulation. The only real question is who and how will it be administered. As a secret plutocracy answerable to no one, or as an ever improving public institution answerable to the people for the people's benefit. The dishonest crowd working to eliminate government are working to enable the secret plutocracy. I think the secret plutocracy already has to much power.
#16903
Snake, you really don't comprehend well at all.

I don't want government to have a say in anything except those foundation things listed in the Constitution and the Amendments created before about 1900. The states have the authority, not the Fed, the Fed is about protecting the country, about foreign affairs, it's about national security.

There should not be ANY special interests that have ANY impact on government at any level.
#16904
BilboBagend wrote:There is always a government. There is always regulation. The only real question is who and how will it be administered. As a secret plutocracy answerable to no one, or as an ever improving public institution answerable to the people for the people's benefit. The dishonest crowd working to eliminate government are working to enable the secret plutocracy. I think the secret plutocracy already has to much power.
There is nothing secret about it, unless you're an ignorant buffoon or just so filled with hate that you can't admit that you created the problem.
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