[johnforbes]

Let Zelensky call an election, under the auspices and supervision of some at least purportedly neutral entity, and let the people in Ukraine decide.

For now, it seems that Zelensky has precisely what he wants -- perma war, endless control, and billions in "aid" flowing in.

[Clownkicker]

I see that johnforbes' handlers have tugged on the chain hooked through johnny's nose yet again.

Of course johnforbes doesn't give a damn about elections in Ukraine. And as far as Trump goes, HE couldn't care less about who's leading Ukraine either since he's shut Ukraine out of the 'peace talks' going on between Trump and Putin. The person leading Ukraine is obviously irrelevant to the U.S., so why is johnny suddenly bringing it up now instead of just watching the news showing us daily that Trump doesn't care about who is running Ukraine?

What makes this stupid partisan distraction thread even more absurd is that johnforbes doesn't even accept the results of peacetime elections in his own country. Why would he accept the results of wartime elections in another country? johnforbes still will not say that Trump lost the 2020 election. Why would he accept election results in a country under martial law because of a war Putin started?

Then imagine what johnfuckhead and Trump would say if elections were held and Zelensky won (which is likely.) Despite the fact that polls show Zelensky has a 57% approval rating in Ukraine while Trump has only a 45% approval rating in the U.S., johnforbes and Trump would insist that Zelensky couldn't possibly have won the election unless he cheated. Never mind that Putin would have thrown a wrench into elections with drone strikes at polling stations, along with interference from disinformation campaigns. johnforbes would then be here claiming that if the voters hadn't been killed by Putin, they obviously would have voted for someone other than Zelensky.

It is far easier to simply answer johnforbes' disingenuous thread title now without trying to hold elections in wartime by saying it is clearly irrelevant whether Zelensky is popular in Ukraine, just as johnforbes believes it is irrelevant whether Trump is popular in the U.S. or that johnforbes believes it is irrelevant that the President of Ukraine is shut out of peace talks with Russia. Zelensky's popularity clearly has nothing to do with anything, and nobody cares, least of all johnforbes. Trump certainly doesn't care, as demonstrated by his ignoring Zelensky in the phony peace talks Trump has organized to slice up the resources of Ukraine with his rich buddies and with no concern at all for the Ukrainians who aren't allowed to take part in the discussions.

This thread is a pointless discussion until johnforbes comes here and finally admits that Trump lost the 2020 peacetime election. If he can't do that, then why would anyone waste the time discussing wartime elections with someone who holds free and fair election results in contempt?

[johnforbes]

The nose of Mr Forbes is far too perfect (in form and function) to have a ring placed anywhere near it.

We can joke around about our political differences, but questioning the raw perfect of Mr Forbes' nose is, well, a bridge too far.

Bob Hope's ski slope nose was great compared to Clown's slalom course nose.

[divermouse]

"johnforbes and Trump would insist that Zelensky couldn't possibly have won the election unless he cheated"

Welllllll yaaaaaa! Because they know .the only way they win, is by lying cheating, it normal to them.

[Clownkicker]

See? johnforbes is still unable to simply say that Trump lost the 2020 election.

It must me terrible to live as an intellectual coward the way he does, always furtively trying to avoid the truth and the ire of everyone else in the Republican Party the gutless weasel supports.

[sillydaddy]

Joe ran for President in 1988 and 2008 and was rejected both times. He had no intention to run in 2020. The official story is that the Charlotteville rally in 2017 so upset him, his sister Valerie convinced him to run. He had lost twice what made him think he would win this time? The Demos did...I believe they convinced him , first by paying him, and guaranteeing he would win. And they prop him up all the way until they could no longer lie to the American public,...just like that, they handed him his hat...He had served his purpose....they used him to cheat Trump out of the presidency , and saw the Oval Office as theirs for the next 8 years...so they thought.

[Clownkicker]

See? sillydummy is still unable to simply say that Trump lost the 2020 election.

It must be terrible to live as an intellectual coward the way he does, always trying desperately to avoid the truth.

This in spite of the fact that he hasn't got a shred of evidence to support his conspiracy theory of election fraud. This in spite of the fact that Republicans lost in court over 60 times, including twice before the Trump-appointed Supreme Court. This in spite of the fact that Republicans spent 9 million in a six-month investigation and came up with the same results that election officials tallied and never produced any evidence of fraud.

What is this Republican drive to live in a fantasy world devoid of any evidence for their warped world view? What comfort does it offer them to always be endlessly pissing themselves over what all Republican election officials agreed were fair elections?

They all know the truth, but they just can't bring themselves to say the words. Reality is simply too scary for them to accept. Thus Trump; a con man that tells them everything they want to hear no matter the lies it takes to tell them.
Most recently he claimed that Ukraine started the war with Russia. And neither silly nor johnforbes has any problem believing that nonsense, despite the fact that they witnessed the Russian invasion for themselves in real time on FOXnews.

[johnforbes]

The 51 intel expert letter was election interference.

At that time, they all had to know that the laptop had rapidly been confirmed as real based on what reportedly was ICloud confirmation.

Polls have shown that the election would have gone the other way had voters known that the laptop was real inasmuch as it shed light on a wide array of corruption.

QED

[Clownkicker]

"Polls have shown that the election would have gone the other way had voters known that the laptop was real inasmuch as it shed light on a wide array of corruption."-johnfibs

Only it DIDN'T shed light on any corruption, did it.

Not a single charge was brought against Biden and after years of wasted money, Republicans had to slink away with nothing to show for it other than an inflated national debt. johnfibs simply made it up, as always.

[johnforbes]

Charges against him were not brought for the obvious reason that he was the son of a Senator, VP, and President.

Anybody else would have been working on their tennis game at one of the minimum security prisons.

As to Clowntoker, he should be in some prison for generalized, free-floating leftist commentary, but alas that is not illegal at the present juncture.

[Clownkicker]

"Charges against him were not brought for the obvious reason that he was the son of a Senator, VP, and President."-dumbfuck

So you're trying to make us believe that the House Oversight Committee refused to reveal Joe's supposed corruption because they didn't think Hunter would ever be prosecuted?

And that the fact Hunter WAS charged and convicted of crimes somehow proves that Hunter would never be charged with a crime?

Do you ever listen to the ignorant stupid shit that comes out of your mouth?

[johnforbes]

They knew perfectly well Hunter would not be charged with anything serious, and that was true not merely for years but really forever.

Statutes of limitation were allowed to expire on the most serious tax charges, and years went by after the laptop was in custody late in 2019.

[Clownkicker]

Once again dimwit johnny is trying to make us believe that the House Oversight Committee, after spending millions of dollars and over a year investigating, refused to reveal Joe Biden's supposed corruption because they didn't think Hunter would ever be prosecuted?

He's serious. johnny honestly believes that because he thinks HUNTER would never be charged with anything "serious" (never mind that he WAS) that the House Oversight Committee buried all the evidence of Joe Biden's supposed corruption when they published a 300-page report without a single recommendation for even one article of impeachment. He's actually here claiming that Republicans are so corrupt and inept that they would bury all that alleged evidence of Joe's corruption just because they couldn't get at Hunter.

And if that isn't stupid enough, to johnforbes, gun, tax, and drug charges aren't serious. (Of course, any crime that can send one to prison is the very definition of "serious".) What does that tell us about the delusional partisan world Dishonestjohn lives in?

[johnforbes]

Whistleblowers revealed that they were not investigating, but declining to actuallly do that.

As to whistleblowers, it is sadly true that Clowntoker blew many whistles during his tawdry tenure in the bawdy bathhouses of seedy SanFran...

[Clownkicker]

Amazing. Once again johnforbes is saying all 26 Republicans sitting on the House Oversight Committee were so corrupt that they couldn't be bothered to investigate Biden's corruption and then buried all the information they did have against Biden because they didn't want Biden impeached.

Though such sweeping corruption within the Republican Party seems unlikely to me, I guess johnforbes knows more than I about how corrupt Republicans actually are, being of the same persuasion himself, so I must defer to his assertion that all 26 Republicans within the Oversight Committee tried to cover up the Biden family corruption for which they could find no evidence after spending millions to find some.

Since johnforbes is insistent to have us believe in this level of Republican corruption, then I won't fight him on it any longer.

[johnforbes]

The posts from Mr Forbes are indeed "amazing."

But Mr Forbes be sayin' what he be sayin'.

Mr Forbes not be sayin' what he not be sayin'.

Whistleblowers revealed that they were not investigating, but declining to actuallly do that.

As to whistleblowers, it is sadly true that Clowntoker blew many whistles during his tawdry tenure in the bawdy bathhouses of seedy SanFran...

[Clownkicker]

"Whistleblowers revealed that they were not investigating..."-johnfobes

See? johnfobes be sayin' what I be sayin' -- he jus repeated dat he beliefs all 26 Republicans on the House Oversight Committee (including Jim Jordan, James Comer, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Bobert, Michael Waltz, Scott Perry, Pete Sessions, et alia) are so totely corrup that they stop all serous investigations into Joe Biden, and den buried whateva evidence wass foun against him so dat they culd make sure dat Joe Biden wouldn't be impeached.

Yes, Massa Fobes' post is amazing, that he would come out and stab Congressional Republicans in the back this way by revealing their massive corruption.

An why johnfobes tauk lak dat anyway? Iss he tryen be funny? Or it juss refleck his incredble ignunce?

[johnforbes]

In his Second Treatise of Government, John Locke discussed this.

Citizens have rights, but they may elect people to represent them.

Zelensky allows no elections, and thus must be categorized as a dictator.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, running free and fair elections in wartime would be impossible.

Millions of Ukrainians are living in areas under Russian occupation, so they wouldn't be allowed to vote, or their votes would be counted by Russians without any way for anyone to verify the count managed by Putin who actually IS a dictator.

Also, millions more Ukrainians are living outside the country and are dispersed all over the world. There is no practical way to ensure that they could have their votes counted, let alone that they could even receive a ballot.

But the most absurd aspect of Dishonestjohn's post is that he doesn't even accept election results during peacetime in his own country. Why would anyone think he would accept election results from a war zone? Even if Zelensky won the vote, both johnfibs and Trump would refuse to honor the results anyway, so what is the point of holding an election the US President won't accept or where only a fraction of Ukrainians would get to vote?

Apparently Dishonestjohn is so out of touch with the news that he is unaware that the Ukrainian Parliament just affirmed Zelensky's legitimacy. So obviously Zelensky isn't a dictator. He holds office by consent of the Ukrainians' representatives.

But if johnforbes won't make a futile attempt to refute a thing I said (which he won't) perhaps he would be so good as to explain how a country could hold free and fair elections in a war zone controlled by an invading army? (Let's watch as johnforbes desperately does his patented shuck-and-jive diversion instead, shall we?)

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes should also explain his support for counting millions of mail-in ballots from abroad.

It doesn't jibe with hypocrite johnny's years spent falsely whining about how mail-in ballots can't be trusted.

[johnforbes]

Other than military people overseas, there should be few mail ballots from outside the US.

The Athens of Pericles seems a tad distant from the seedy dictatorship of Zelensky, who permits no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no political party he does not approve, and won't hold elections.

[Clownkicker]

"Other than military people overseas, there should be few mail ballots from outside the US."-johnflubs

See? johnforbes just admitted that an election for Ukraine in wartime is a bad idea because it would require so many millions of mail-in ballots from outside the country, not just "a few" thousand.

Then in his next breath the dishonest turd criticizes Zelensky for not holding elections that would require so many unverifiable mail-in ballots.

Try to fathom how anyone can be that fucking hypocritical. He himself refuses to accept U.S. elections in peacetime, but insists that impossible elections be held in Ukraine during wartime Russian occupation.


I was right. I told you johnforbes wouldn't try to refute a thing I said. What an intellectual pussy.

[johnforbes]

If Zelensky is genuinely popular in Ukraine, a few mail ballots would not affect his FDR-esque popularity, would it?

But in Kiev, the bars and discos never stopped for the 3 years of "war."

US taxpayers paid for the pension systems of Ukraine bureaucrats, as part of the 350 billion shovelled into the sinkhole of Ukraine.

Let Zelensky hold elections .

That is what popular presidents in democratic nations do.

[Clownkicker]

Why is johnfuckhead still insisting on requiring elections that would literally be impossible to hold?

Why does johnforbes support Putin this way by insisting the millions of poll numbers Zelensky would receive from lands occupied by Putin, and the millions of mail-in ballots from unverifiable addresses outside of Ukraine would be valid when he won't accept verifiable results in his own country?


"Let Zelensky hold elections .
That is what popular presidents in democratic nations do."-Dishonestjohn

If that is indeed what popular presidents do in war zones, then all johnforbes needs to do to gain the slightest credibility for his argument is admit that Trump lost the 2020 peacetime election in the U.S..
If johnnny can't do that, then there is no point in anyone holding elections in a war zone requiring millions of mail-in ballots from occupied territories since we already know for a fact that johnny won't accept the results if they do.

[johnforbes]

It is quite possible to hold elections in Ukraine.

The concept that Ukraine is everywhere a war-torn mess is absurd.

Did you catch Pelosi strolling there not long ago in high heels and a blue pantsuit?

Heck, Senator Graham and others were there so often they were practically natives.

[Clownkicker]

"It is quite possible to hold elections in Ukraine."-john"clueless"forbes

Interesting. Please explain to me how you run an election for 3 million citizens living under Russian occupation. And how do you even find the addresses to send and count millions of absentee ballots from Ukrainian's living abroad.


"The concept that Ukraine is everywhere a war-torn mess is absurd."-johnflubs

So why did you bring it up, you dishonest turd? NOBODY except you ever said such an idiotic thing. You made it up and then pretend Democrats said it.
That you believe elections can be held in Russia-occupied territories where millions of Ukrainians live, or that you would accept mail-in ballots from millions of Ukrainians living outside the country is simply moronic. It is so moronic that even YOU don't try to explain how it would be possible. You simply say that it IS possible without any explanation of how it would work because you have no idea how it could be done. You just like to talk Trumpian made up stupid shit.

And you still can't say Trump lost the free and fair election in a 2020 peacetime America, so why would anyone think you would accept results of a wartime election in Ukraine where half the population couldn't even vote?

The fact is, if election results favored Zelensky, you and Trump would both be claiming the election was rigged and complain about how millions of Ukrainians had been disenfranchised by the scheme you yourself proposed and you would refuse to accept the results, just as you both refuse to accept results of peacetime elections which are undisputed by any Republican election officials in your own country.

[johnforbes]

If you look at any videos from Ukraine, they depict people dancing and drinking in bars and clubs.

Pelosi paraded through downtown Kiev in a blue pant suit, her geriatric pace slowed by spike heels on cobblestones.

The notion that -- always and everywhere -- the country is some war-torn mess is preposterous.

Clowntoker's arguments have gone down more often than a Clinton intern.

[Clownkicker]

"If you look at any videos from Ukraine, they depict people dancing and drinking in bars and clubs."-johnturd

You could be talking about England or France or Spain during WWII, dummy. Are you seriously claiming that if Ukraine were in a 'real' war everyone would simply stay at home and refuse to drink or dance? And because there was drinking and dancing in England and France and Germany, that means there was no impediment to free and fair elections in Europe?

What a imbecile.


"The notion that -- always and everywhere -- the country is some war-torn mess is preposterous."-Dishonestjohn

What is preposterous is that you keep bringing up idiotic things that nobody other than you has ever said about Ukraine, dimwit. Why do you keep saying such stupid things? Why can't you address things people actually said instead of making up stupid shit no one is talking about?

johnforbes' arguments have gone down more that Trump with a microphone demonstrating how to give a blow job.

[johnforbes]

The heart of a hibernating black bear beats just 8 times per minute.

Brain scans have shown that Clowntoker's intellectual activity is also very slow.

Follow the science!