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By johnforbes
#134799
Unlike many prior presidents, Trump liked to work.

"Donald Trump's office told Just the News on Friday that the classified materials the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate were declassified under a "standing order" while he was president that allowed him to take sensitive materials to the White House residence at night to keep working."

Who is the ultimate authority on declassification -- a president.
By Clownkicker
#134884
"there would be evidence if Trump declassified documents"

""It can't just be an idea in his head," [David] Laufman, who led the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails and handling of classified documents, told CNN. "Programs and officials would have been notified. There is no evidence they were."

"Presidents have broad authority to declassify documents, but former Trump administration officials told CNN there is a process that is followed. The process typically involves documenting the declassification and notifying agencies, such as the CIA, NSA, or Defense Department, among others."


"Former Trump White House officials also pushed back on Trump's claim that he had a "standing order" to declassify documents when they were transported. Two of Trump's former chiefs of staff, John Kelly and Mick Mulvaney, told CNN they'd never heard of such an order.

"Nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given," Kelly, who was chief of staff for nearly a year and a half from 2017 to 2019, said. "And I can't imagine anyone that worked at the White House after me that would have simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed that order to go forward without dying in the ditch trying to stop it."

CNN spoke with a total of 18 former Trump administration officials, some unnamed, who all said they had never heard of such an order, with several laughing at the idea and suggesting Trump had made it up."-Business insider

johnforbes always falls for the most transparent lies Trump feeds him. The way Trump makes up stupid shit is truly an inspiration for johnforbes to continue to make up his constant made up stupid shit posts.
By johnforbes
#134892
It is true it can't just be an idea in a president's head.

But a standing order is not just an idea -- it is a standing order.

And it need not even be memorialized in writing to be entirely valid.

If you look at the Judicial Watch case involving Clinton's tapes, the president has latitude to classify, declassify, or destroy such material in his discretion.
By Clownkicker
#134897
"But a standing order is not just an idea -- it is a standing order."-johnfoibles

Yes, dimwit, a "standing order" that none of his staff knew about. Not his Chiefs of Staff nor a slew of other lesser
White House staff that have talked to reporters about it.

Which means it was in his head, at best. It is just another of his outright lies at worst.


Stop defending this traitor, johnny.
By johnforbes
#134904
A standing order is a standing order.

It need not be memorialized in writing, though one would strongly suspect it was.

Clown's Internet name has always been "Sitting Bull."
By sillydaddy
#134908
Funny how all those who were close to President Trump claim to know a lot about him..
but when it comes to the hard questions ..even Clown makes excuses for them.. :laugh: :laugh:
By Clownkicker
#134916
I made no excuses for anyone, dimwit.

Stop trying to outdo johnfibs by making up even more idiotic stupid shit.
By johnforbes
#134923
Pardon me, as Nixon said to Ford.

Trump had a standing order to declassify.

What Clown said while sitting was total bull, which is why Clown's Indian name was "Sitting Bull."
By Clownkicker
#134925
""It can't just be an idea in his head," [David] Laufman, who led the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails and handling of classified documents, told CNN. "Programs and officials would have been notified. There is no evidence they were."

"Presidents have broad authority to declassify documents, but former Trump administration officials told CNN there is a process that is followed. The process typically involves documenting the declassification and notifying agencies, such as the CIA, NSA, or Defense Department, among others."

What part of "Programs and officials would have been notified. There is no evidence they were." is confusing to you, johnny. When no one in the White House ever heard of such an order, it's made up stupid shit.

You don't get to just make stuff up. Neither does Trump.

Don't continue to yammer about it without some evidence that it's true, dummy.
By johnforbes
#134926
No, it cannot just be an idea in his head.

But it can be standing order, and apparently was.

Nor need it be memorialized in writing.

Any president has unreviewable authority to classify, declassify, and segregate personal papers from federal ones according to the ruling from Judge Jackson who researched it.

Trump's recent filing gives interesting info as to his cooperation with NARA, and he apparently surprised them with the extent of his cooperation in May.

Did something change in June, July, and early August other than him perhaps edging a bit closer to running in 2024?
By Clownkicker
#134931
But it IS just in his head, dimwit.

"Programs and officials would have been notified. There is no evidence they were."

Not a single member of his staff has any knowledge of such an order and no officials were notified of any declassification, such as the CIA, NSA, or Defense Department.

Why are you still yammering about the delusions in TRUMP's head, johnny? Stick to the tragic delusions in your own head.
By johnforbes
#134938
If there is no evidence anywhere that another human being knew about it, that would be one thing.

Is that really true, however?

CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and that ilk rarely report the actual facts.
By Clownkicker
#134941
johnny, don't you find it the least bit curious that not a single Trump White House staffer has come forward to corroborate Trump's assertion?

Do you really find the claim credible (or even worth considering as possible) when every high ranking staff member that has spoken up says they never heard of it?

And no one at the CIA, NSA, or Defense Department has heard about it either?

Think about it for once instead of just swallowing any bullshit Trump craps onto your gullible head.
By johnforbes
#134944
Patel and others have said Trump said "This is all declassified."

A lot of this hoopla is pure nonsense because any president is the ultimate, unreviewable authority on what is classified, declassified, segregated as private paperwork versus govt paper, etc.

Per John Solomon, it now appears that the WH was indeed involved contrary to assertions from affirmative action Karine that they had no knowledge of the raid.
By Clownkicker
#134946
Again, johnny, the search warrant has nothing to do with "classified" or "declassified."

That's the part of the "hoopla" that's "nonsense" which YOU keep bringing up, dummy, and the part that is completely irrelevant to the search warrant.

So why was he searched?

""So, for those of us sitting at home trying to figure out what was the switch that flipped and got them to the search warrant? What was it that happened, and I think it's a myriad of things," [said former FBI official Frank] Figliuzzi. "There are human sources because we know from filings there's references repeatedly to witnesses who have been interviewed, so that's great, but I think one of those so-called witnesses was the surveillance camera footage. I think what they saw was, you know, no surprise here, that they couldn't trust Trump. By that I mean by then a couple of locks had been slapped on the storage room door, right? So, everything's supposed to be fine. While we continued to nicely, civilly discuss and negotiate whatever's going to happen."

But the surveillance cameras showed that there were people coming in and out of the rooms and changing out boxes and containers that the boxes were in.

"So, that gets us, Nicolle, into this whole issue of why were they charging falsification and destruction or masking of evidence? Well, that's part of it, I think. It's not just the Trump lawyer who filed a form saying, 'You've got everything. We gave you everything. There's no more.' It's also, I think, the storage room surveillance footage that says — no, darn it, they're not securing the room," he continued. "And by the way, they seem to be moving stuff out. And by the way, they seem to be changing the containers that documents may be in. There's that going on here as well. we can see where they're getting to the statute. The statutory elements may have been met. We can see what may have flipped the switch in part to get to a search warrant."

He also cited the New York Times report that said Trump personally went through the documents in Jan. 2022, after spending months negotiating with the National Archives about whether or not he'd turn over the documents.

"Let's talk about this. Let's look at it himself. Here's what that does. It takes away this defense that, you know, 'The movers did it. I didn't know anything about this. I had no knowledge of this,'" Figliuzzi cited as some excuses Trump might use. "They were told, repeatedly, how significant these documents were for national security. And he knows it. So, again, we're getting into that statute for espionage."

He then explained Trump qualifies for espionage under the law by being able to prove "willfulness, intent, I know it's here. I know it's highly classified. I'm being told i need to return it, and by god, I'm not doing it. And by the way, I'm probably lying to you about whether I've turned it all over."

That, he said, is the statutory element of willfulness and intent that is required under the espionage laws."-Raw Story

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
By johnforbes
#134950
Pure baloney.

The warrant sought every paper from every day of his tenure, which is a general warrant of the sort the 4th Amendment was implemented to prevent.

Hillary had something like 2000 classified emails she deleted and bleached the server of, and she was not even a president with ultimate class-declass authority, yet Comey said no rational person would prosecute her.
By Clownkicker
#134954
It was good of you to preface your post with your own evaluation of its merit so we know what's coming.

It saves us all the wasted time reading the rest of it.
By Clownkicker
#134961
As always, johnforbes can't produce anyone who corroborates Trump's lie about a "standing order" about document declassification.

I think he's confusing it with Trump's sociopathic insistence that everyone had to stand in the Oval Office when talking to him.

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