[johnforbes]

"The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling striking down the use of ballot drop boxes is the latest evidence that a widely used mechanism for the 2020 election was illegal, undercutting Democratic claims that any irregularities in the contest were insufficient to sway outcomes."

On the plus side for Dems, drop boxes are still in use in PA because they have an elected, partisan Sup Ct there which wants them. The May 17 primary took 3 weeks to count, and even then was only resolved when one candidate conceded.

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes left out other portions of the article showing broad Republican corruption:

"Republican state lawmakers in Wisconsin, spurred by Mr. Johnson, have recently sought to take control over the state’s election administration. The leading Republican candidates for governor this year have proposed eliminating the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission — which was created by G.O.P. lawmakers and former Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican — and giving [partisan] elected officials the authority to oversee state elections.

Republicans in the State Assembly have also authorized a yearlong and continuing investigation into the 2020 election, overseen by Michael Gableman, a conservative former Wisconsin Supreme Court justice who has suggested that state legislators seek to decertify the results — something they have no authority to do.

In November, the court created a “least changes” standard for legislative redistricting that would apply to the gerrymandered 2011 map drawn by Republicans. The move locked in another decade of near supermajorities for Republicans in the State Legislature, even though the state is among the most closely divided in the country.

The court’s conservative majority also ruled last month that Walker appointees could stay in their posts after their terms expired, until the Republican-controlled State Senate confirmed replacements selected by Mr. Evers — which G.O.P. senators have often declined to do."-NYTimes

In other words, Republicans will simply never confirm replacements of Republicans when their terms expire. That way Republicans can simply stay in office until they die.

There's absolutely no limit to Republican corruption in Wisconsin.


"The court adopted a literal interpretation of state law, finding that returning an absentee ballot to a municipal clerk “does not mean nor has it been historically understood to mean delivery to an unattended ballot drop box,” Justice Rebecca G. Bradley wrote for the majority."-NYTimes

It's pretty staggering that a court can rule drop boxes unconstitutional when the law clearly says ballots must be returned to the municipal clerks. The drop boxes were put out by municipal clerks, fer cripes sake. Presumably that means drop boxes are sanctioned by municipal clerks as a means of returning ballots to them. And for my part, I have never seen an outdoor U.S. Mail box that was "attended" 24 hours a day and thus is not one iota safer or better than a municipal clerk drop box. In fact, a U.S. Mail box removes the ballots from direct control of municipal clerks and adds a middle man to the chain of custody. That's unnecessarily stupid. Why not just give it directly to the municipal clerk's sanctioned ballot drop box? Much safer and handled by fewer people.

[johnforbes]

The point isn't where the ballot boxes should be returned, but the lack of any chain of custody.

Drop boxes were subjected to ballot harvesters polluting them with fake votes, and there is video evidence of that.

[Clownkicker]

"The point isn't where the ballot boxes should be returned, but the lack of any chain of custody."-johnflubs

Exactly, dimwit. The boxes were under the control of the municipal clerks, they put them out, they sanctioned them. You and other Republicans are pretending that breaking the chain of custody by adding the Federal Government as a middleman somehow makes the ballots more secure. It doesn't. It just adds another chance for things to go wrong instead of leaving the ballots in the hands of the municipal clerks at all times in the drop boxes.


"Drop boxes were subjected to ballot harvesters polluting them with fake votes, and there is video evidence of that."-johnfibs

Ballot harvesters don't carry any "fake votes", dimwit. They simply go to peoples' place of residence, collect their legal ballots, and drop them into legal receptacles under the control of the municipal clerks. If someone went to peoples' residences, collected the legal ballots, and deposited them into U.S. Mail boxes, it would not make things one iota more secure.

There is nothing inherently wrong with saving someone an inconvenient or impossible trip to the post office or drop box.

[johnforbes]

Yep, nothing inherently wrong. But not pragmatic to secure them.

But the fact is that a drop box, unless guarded physically or by means of clear digital video, is not secure.

Pennsylvania, for example, STILL has mail ballots and drop boxes thanks to its elected, partisan, pro-Democrat state Sup Ct.

Thus, Dems can still stop counting in November at 10 pm and "find" the needed votes for Dems at 3 am.

[Clownkicker]

"There is nothing inherently wrong with saving someone an inconvenient or impossible trip to the post office or drop box."-me

"Yep, nothing inherently wrong. But not pragmatic to secure them.
But the fact is that a [U.S. Mail box or] drop box, unless guarded physically or by means of clear digital video, is not secure."-johnfoibles


And here we have it. johnforbes is not arguing against drop boxes at all because he HAS no argument to offer. He just said that unguarded U.S. Mail boxes are inherently insecure and so should not be used, regardless of state laws that say they can.

What Dishonestjohn is arguing is that he's against all mail-in ballots but is just too chickenshit to say so.

In other words, johnforbes wants to disenfranchise millions of Americans who cannot make a trip themselves to a polling place. And he is also against counting any votes cast in states that use mail-in voting exclusively because he considers such votes insecure. That's what Republicans actually want. And it's despicable.


"Thus, Dems can still stop counting in November at 10 pm and "find" the needed votes for Dems at 3 am."-johnflubs

That's nothing compared to the world johnforbes wants, which is a world where Republicans can stop counting in November and then "find" the needed votes in December when the President calls them up and tells them exactly how many votes they need to "find." And that has nothing whatsoever to do with mail-in ballots.

[johnforbes]

Clowntoker's misunderstandings are as unique and diverse as breakfast tacos in San Antonio.

Yes, the typical mail box is not secure, but it can be used because a birthday card from your aunt or your electricity bill is not as crucial as your vote.

If a drop box has some physical guard, or a good digital cam 24 hours per day, it might be fine, but tons of evidence emerged from 2020 showing the problems with ballot harvesting.

"2000 Mules"...

[Clownkicker]

So what you are saying is that I understood you perfectly well, didn't I.

[johnforbes]

As the hot, humid afternoon wore on, and thunderstorms gathered, my earnest staffers labored on, searching the Interwebs for pearls of wisdom.

They found this:

Clowntoker's misunderstandings are as unique and diverse as breakfast tacos in San Antonio.

Yes, the typical mail box is not secure, but it can be used because a birthday card from your aunt or your electricity bill is not as crucial as your vote.

If a drop box has some physical guard, or a good digital cam 24 hours per day, it might be fine, but tons of evidence emerged from 2020 showing the problems with ballot harvesting.

"2000 Mules"...