[johnforbes]

So the guy with Viking horns wanders into what apparently was the Senate chamber, says "Hey, hey" in what seems an almost comedic manner.

A guy is sitting on the floor with a red cap looking at his cell phone.

A security guard wanders overs over and says "Hey man, is there any way I could talk you into leaving the Senate wing. This is like the sacredest place."

Meanwhile, somebody named Ray Epps was seen urging people to enter the Capitol, and the "scaffold commander" was giving instructions on a bullhorn. Why haven't those people who were serving as catalysts been charged?

While Kamala was being silly in comparing the riot to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, the rest of us are still wondering what the heck went on, why no insurrection or weapon charges were apparently lodged, and why people caught on video urging trespassing have evidently not been charged.

Sure, it is understandable that Democrats would try hard to cash in politically on the riot, but were any Antifa or BLM or confidential informant folks involved?

In other words, set partisan politics aside and the question remains: What the heck happened?

[Clownkicker]

So you put a question to me, eh? You really need to start educating yourself, johnny. You've had a year to do it already, but you still haven't even begun.

I have already linked you to a timeline and video showing that the insurrectionists were not a bunch of 'tourists' as you are pretending.

You saw the violence. You saw the assaults of police officers. You saw weapons being used against police. You saw property being destroyed and stolen. You saw the mob illegally trying to get into the House Chambers while an officer led the mob in an other direction. You saw the woman die at the door to the House Chamber as she was trying to break in to get to lawmakers (including trying to hang Pence and Pelosi) because I showed the video to you. You also have guilty pleas from rioters. And there are prison sentences coming for more. More charges are being filed on an almost daily basis.

This whole thread is disingenuous because you know perfectly well that it was a full out riot, not a tour group, but you are still pretending you aren't playing politics with it when you know you are.

By the way, "It's been widely reported" (as you say repeatedly and think that is a sufficient answer to my questions. So it is all you will get from me now.) It's been widely reported and anyone capable of doing an internet search could find hundreds of articles explaining things to you. If you actually wanted to understand what happened that day you would have looked into it long ago. One must conclude that you don't actually want to understand.

Stop wasting my time trying to get me to do your homework for you and then, when I do it for you, you say you don't like the website that posted the article or the video of the riot from a reputable source because you can't refute any of it. What difference the website makes is beyond me. It's still a riot regardless of who showed the video to you.

And then you always refuse to address ANY question I put to you, even after you expected me to answer the questions you put to me.

Take your hypocritical partisan bullshit somewhere else.


I hope you appreciate the help I provided you, dishonestjohn.

[sillydaddy]

Most of the people arrested were charged with misdemeanors like trespassing, why?
Because it was a riot, not an insurrection...

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^Look at this dishonest turd. He's actually LAUGHING at a riot at the Capitol. He doesn't care.

That is what has become of conservatives in America. They shrug off deadly riots and assaults on police officers, and laugh about them. These are the clowns always yammering on about how they support the police.

They don't even care that some of the rioters have admitted they conspired to overthrow the government.

It's going to be a rude awakening for sillydummy when he sees the rest of the indictments coming down. Let's see who's still laughing then, shall we?

[johnforbes]

Riot, but not the "insurrection" Democrats depicted for a year for political purposes.

Nobody was charged with insurrection, and apparently none of the rioters got arrested with a gun.

So Trump's supporters wanted to stage an insurrection, but nobody remembered to bring a gun? That sorta strains credulity, eh?

Why not release the 14,000 hours of security video and let everybody at long last find out what the heck happened?

If everybody there who supported Trump is seen on video committing a crime, then charge them.

If not, then not.

But what the heck really happened? Who was that guy with the bullhorn on the scaffold? Why did cops let people just walk in?

[Clownkicker]

inssurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

In other words, exactly what the January 6th riot to stop the certification of the 2020 election was.

This was not a garden-variety riot to break into stores and burn cars. And there is no requirement that insurrectionists carry or use guns. Why are you diverting with such irrelevancies?

Like everything else you post, you simply made it up.

Sadly, the riot by Trump supporters at the Capitol was an insurrection, by definition, dimwit. What is it that you have against Webster's and the OED, johnny?

[johnforbes]

Actually, the only death related to it was Ashli Babbitt. The other deaths were of natural causes.

All those who died were Trump supporters.

No rioter was charged with insurrection, and surely the politicized folks in DC would have charged the rioters that way if the facts had permitted it.

No guns were apparently found on any of those arrested.

BLM and Antifa did indeed engage in violent riots throughout 2020, and Democrats like that, Gov Wolf of PA marched with BLM people, and Dems urged low or no bail.

[Clownkicker]

"Actually, the only death related to it was Ashli Babbitt. The other deaths were of natural causes."-johfibs

johnny, "suicide" is not considered a "natural cause". There were two of those brought on by the riot in the next few days.
Others deaths were also brought on by the rioting; heart attack and stroke. The unnatural over-exertion and stress from the riot likely caused those deaths. These deaths are "related" to the events of Jan. 6th, despite your lie that they aren't.


"Rosanne Boyland appeared to have been crushed in a stampede of fellow rioters as they surged against the police."

Being crushed by a mob is also not a "natural cause," dummy. But then, dishonest partisan hacks like you consider dying in a car crash to be a "natural cause" because the physics involved are perfectly natural. This death was "related" to the events of Jan. 6th, despite your lie that it wasn't.


"All those who died were Trump supporters."-johnflubs

That's as it should be, dimwit. Those involved in insurrection should be the fatalities of the insurrection, shouldn't they. You say that like it is relevant to some point you're making, which it isn't.


"No rioter was charged with insurrection, and surely the politicized folks in DC would have charged the rioters that way if the facts had permitted it."-dishonestjohn

You claim to have legal training but then ignore standard legal procedure in such cases. First comes the low-hanging fruit, which we have been seeing, with dozens of guilty pleas and some prison terms handed down. Then comes the more serious crimes as the initial prosecutions build the larger case against others.

In this case, new charges are still being filed. The most serious charges have not been filed yet. They are coming, and you know they are coming, but that doesn't stop you from dishonestly presenting a phony argument that it somehow shows there was no insurrection or that no serious crimes were committed because the charges have not been filed yet. You know how it works and you lie about it anyway.


"No guns were apparently found on any of those arrested."-johnfoibles

Why do you keep harping on this irrelevancy, johnny. That the guns were hidden in a van doesn't make it OK. Also, the bombs planted at the DNC and the RNC headquarters are not meaningless. That you keep trying to downplay these sorts of things also shows how dishonest you are. Insurrection does not require guns be carried on someone's person during a riot. But there were guns onsite in possession of the insurrectionists, as well as Molotov cocktails. Meanwhile, what is well documented is that many, many of the rioters were armed with weapons that are not guns. It was an armed insurrection. Every time you minimize and 'forget about' these serious weapons only proves you are being dishonest about the whole thing.



"BLM and Antifa did indeed engage in violent riots throughout 2020, and Democrats like that, Gov Wolf of PA marched with BLM people, and Dems urged low or no bail."-johnfoibles

johnny, what someone else did on some other day is not the subject here. YOU brought up the topic of events on Jan. 6th. If you want to talk about ANTIFA or BLM, start another thread.

Why do you always desperately try to distract from your own subject when you are humiliated and start losing the argument? The answer is, you know the behavior of the Trump supporters is damning and anti-American, and you know perfectly well that it was an insurrection, so you want to point fingers elsewhere to avoid responsibility for your support of violent political beliefs.

[johnforbes]

But if that other lady had joined the rioters, she was not a Democrat.

Democrats supported many past riots. Anybody can look at Whitmer on video in the past re that. Or look at the BLM and Antifa riots all over America in 2020.

The only folks who died that day in January were Trump supporters or simply perished of natural causes.\

Pelosi and Kamala were dishonestly trying to pretend that there was an "insurrection" when no such charges were lodged, and no gun charges either.

Sum it all up and Democrats are just trying to bale political hay.

[sillydaddy]

inssurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government. ~~clown

Only January 6th was a demonstration that turned into a riot, not an insurrection

[Clownkicker]

Their purpose as protesters AND rioters was to stop the legal certification of a national election. They refused to accept the actions of the elected government and wanted to overthrow a legal election.

That's an insurrection-- a violent uprising against an authority, the government.

You can make all the doofy faces you want, dummy, but it won't make it okay for you to laugh off a riot outside and inside our nation's Capitol in order to stop the legal workings of our democracy, not to mention the recorded threats to hang the Vice President and the Speaker of the House.

Only a real asshole finds violent, armed protests, assaults against police, and destruction of the Capitol itself to be funny. You try to figure out who I'm talking about, dimwit.

[elklindo69]

With the current republican party.....we have now had to learn the definitions of insurrection, conspiracy, sedition and treason. And now I hear that Gym Jordan will not provide testimony to the Jan 6 committee. Are we all surprised that the people who aided and abetted in the government insurrection don't want to talk about it anymore.

[johnforbes]

But it wasn't an insurrection, or even an attempt.

Nobody was charged with anything of the sort, and they certainly would have been by the biased leftists in charge of that.

There were some foolish people, and rioters, and apparently a good amount of agents and confidential informants, plus some Antifa members and BLM members and lord knows who else tossed into the chaotic mix.

The only rational hope for that day, given the history, was that Pence could have sent disputed electors back to their state legislatures for resolution per the Constitution but pretty much everybody felt (correctly) that Pence lacked the guts or historical understanding to do so.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, therre were no Antifa or BLM people in that crowd. You;re making it up.

Sounds like you listened to FOXnews and their "Some have reported [by our own office staff who weren't there] that Antifa and BLM was in the crowd."

But there is no evidence from anyone that they were. It's just more made up stupid partisan shit. You really need ot stop falling for that dishonest tactic for imbeciles, johnny.

[johnforbes]

But you don't know that at all.

14,000 hours of security video are still being kept secret, and it is already fairly evident that those at the forefront were mostly dressed in black (some with red caps in an effort to blend in).

The full array of facts, as depicted on video, should be revealed so that all of us who wouldn't go to such a nutty event can finally find out what happened that day (and the day before, when Ray Epps was rabble-rousing and trying to persuade people to breach the Capitol and break the law).

Who was the "scaffold commander"? Has he been charged, as he should have been?

Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged?

[Clownkicker]

"But you don't know that at all."-johnflubs

"There were some foolish people, and rioters, and apparently a good amount of agents and confidential informants, plus some Antifa members and BLM members and lord knows who else tossed into the chaotic mix."-johnfibs

What you meant to say is YOU don't know that at all, that ANTIFA and BLM were there. You made it up. But that doesn't stop you from lying about it as though it were true.

That's the trouble with your hypocrisy, johnny. Guys like me demand you provide the same evidence to back up your bullshit that you demand of others. But, curiously, you never provide any. You just regurgitate partisan propaganda.


"14,000 hours of security video are still being kept secret,..."-johnfibs

It's not secret. It's exactly where the FBI and others found it. Unless you mean the evidence that Trump supporters tried to scrub from their media accounts. That's true, those people are trying to keep you from seeing the video, not the FBI. They'll be happy to show it to you in court.


"The full array of facts, as depicted on video, should be revealed so that all of us who wouldn't go to such a nutty event can finally find out what happened that day..."-johnfoibles

johnny, all such relevant video will be released in discovery. The perpetrators' lawyers will have it and can show it to you if they wish. It will also be presented in court, where you can see it if you really want to. But you don't really want to. You're just bullshitting, as always.

Meanwhile, investigators and prosecutors should absolutely NOT be showing it to partisan clowns like you in order to avoid polluting the jury pool with phony stories from right-wing talking heads who will lie about it on air before the trials.

There is no need to try these cases in public before they are tried in courts of law, johnny. I don't know why you would want to, being an officer of the court. (allegedly)


"Who was the "scaffold commander?"-johnforbes

"Epps is the owner of the Knotty Barn, a wedding and event venue, in Queen Creek, Arizona. According to the Daily Mail, the 60-year-old man is also a retired U.S. Marine. Epps is also a Trump supporter and appears to have long-running ties to the Oath Keepers, a far-right anti-government militia that formed shortly after the election of former President Barack Obama in 2008. Epps was listed as the president of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers..
There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that Epps is a federal agent or that he was working with the government. Claims to that effect are based largely on the fact that Epps was not among those arrested following the attack on the Capitol."

"Has he been charged, as he should have been?"-johnforbes

He will be charged when he is charged. The FBI does not work at the whim of johnforbes.

The joke is, when Epps is finally charged, johnny will be here yammering about how Epss SHOULDN'T have been charged since he wasn't charged right away, as if that makes a difference. It's always partisan bullshit with our johnny.

Epps will be charged when the case against him is sufficient to try him, johnny. That's how it works, as you should know being (allegedly) a lawyer.


"Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged?"-johnforbes

Apparently the case against him is not ready. Prosecutors have been rather busy this year harvesting the "low-hanging fruit" first, as is always done in this type of case. Your partisan innuendo does not mean anything, dummy. I don't think he is any more guilty or less guilty if he hasn't been charged yet.

We shall see what we shall see.

[johnforbes]

Yep, we shall see what we shall see.

Any person of good will would want all of the security video, supposedly some 14,000 hours, released posthaste so that we can all find out what the heck happened.

Had it been a violent insurrection, then every person of good will would want such people penalized by the appropriate criminal law, but nobody was even charged with insurrection and that word was essentially used by Democrats seeking to politicize the riot.

In resisting questions about Ray Epps and the scaffold commander, the bureaucrats merely validate the concerns people have that no genuine American would want informants/agents manipulating and entrapping as may well have transpired in the messy Whittmer case.

Open, full, honest disclosure of all the security video, and the agency roles whatever they might have been, would help spread the disinfectant of sunshine on whatever actually happened that day.

[Clownkicker]

"Any person of good will would want all of the security video, supposedly some 14,000 hours, released posthaste so that we can all find out what the heck happened."-johnfoibles

Will someone please explain to johnforbes that he will have to watch videos 16-hours-a-day for almost two and a half years if he ever wants to "find out what the heck happened." He's probably dumb enough to piss away that much of his life for his handlers.

The truth is, he's going to take the word of his handlers and ignore the word of people he doesn't like politically and pretend he finally knows what the heck happened. He honestly doesn't understand he's just a gullible parrot for authoritarian politicians.


"...that word was essentially used by Democrats seeking to politicize the riot."-johnreallyfuckedupforbes

johnny, it was a political riot. Politics is the whole reason people were there. Democrats didn't make it political. Trump supporters made it political, dimwit. That's what makes it insurrection as opposed to a garden variety riot. It wasn't simply a destructive protest. Its purpose was to stop the government from doing its job and thus change the outcome of an election.


"Had it been a violent insurrection,..."-johnfuckedupforbes

It WAS a violent insurrection, dimwit, by definition. Not my definition. The dictionary's definition. Criminy, you say you went to school but you're here admitting you can't read simple English.


"Open, full, honest disclosure of all the security video, and the agency roles whatever they might have been, would help spread the disinfectant of sunshine on whatever actually happened that day."-johnfibs

No, we already know you will refuse to believe whatever you are told by the authorities if you don't agree with it. Why pretend you will? We already know you don't believe Biden won the election ONLY because you don't "want" him to have won, not because you have any evidence to support your silly belief.

Why don't you just wait for all the charges and all prosecutions before you yammer on like this in your purely partisan manner, johnny? You'll find out what happened for yourself if you just go to some of the trials and listen. You'll see the video. You'll hear the facts.

All I know is that you will never get the facts from your handlers because they will only feed you the bullshit you want to hear.

[johnforbes]

It would be interesting to know what the heck really went on that day.

Read all of this, and look at the video clips.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damni ... january-6/

[Clownkicker]

Well, one of the things we now see is that the founder of the Oath Keepers and ten others have been charged with "seditious conspiracy".

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/10728196 ... indictment

johnforbes looks pretty silly now after he insisted that no serious charges were made against rioters so there must be no "there" there. Wrong again, johnny.

As I said, more charges are coming, and they will be more serious charges, like today's charges. But johnforbes foolishly didn't believe me. And johnforbes will look even more foolish than he already does when more serious charges are handed down in the future. Insurrection charges may yet be brought against some of the rioters. We shall see.


By the way, you can't honestly be convinced by anything by that link, johnny. It is amateurish propaganda aimed at those who don't think too clearly about the stuff they read. It's riddled with logical errors and reasoning mistakes. It would take me hours of typing to point out just a half dozen of the glaring flaws in its reasoning. You should think about it yourself, johnny, before you offer it as supposedly-convincing argument of anything.

[johnforbes]

I actually did see that, but didn't read the details.

If anybody is guilty of that,and there is some evidence, then by all means proceed.

But the talk of an "insurrection" was rhetoric because nobody showed up with guns or any intent of the sort, unless of course some nut like the one pro-leftist NPR singled out had some sort of plan to actually do something down the line.

Every BLM and Antifa riot all over the country was more of a threat to the rule of law, though, and Dems just loved BLM riots and CNN downplayed them as "mostly peaceful."