[johnforbes]

Arizona Senate chose Cyber Ninjas, a Florida company, to conduct a complete forensic audit of the Maricopa County 2020 election.

This audit consisted of counting all 2.1 million ballots cast in Maricopa County (the 4th largest county in all of the United States), forensically investigating the ballots themselves in addition to investigating the voting machines used in the election.

MSM’s sensational headlines about how Arizona’s forensic audit of Maricopa County found 360 more votes for Biden than Trump captured headlines, and the story ends there for almost every article you read.

What they fail to tell you is the real meat of the findings: over 57,000 fraudulent ballots

There were 57,734 potentially fraudulent ballots cast in Maricopa County for the 2020 general election. The vote difference in the 2020 election between Biden and Trump in Arizona was only 10,457 votes.

[Clownkicker]

Geezus, johnny, "potentially fraudulent ballots" are not fraudulent ballots. How stupid are you?

The auditors couldn't determine that a single one of them was fraudulent.

There's no evidence whatsoever of any fraud. THAT'S the "real meat" of the findings. You gullible, ignorant Trump-supporting clowns have nothin' as always.

[johnforbes]

There were 57,734 potentially fraudulent ballots cast in Maricopa County for the 2020 general election. The vote difference in the 2020 election between Biden and Trump in Arizona was only 10,457 votes.

Point being -- a reasonable person, like a confident Democrat who felt charismatic Joe won easily with his smooth speech and obvious charm, would welcome audits.

Instead, Democrats fear audits.

[Clownkicker]

It's really quite simple, johnny.

So simple even a simpleton like you should be able to understand.

Biden won fair and square, and not a single Republican can actually dispute it, even after trying for an entire year.

[johnforbes]

But every shred of evidence, from recounts and audits, suggests the contrary.

Senile Joe, hiding in his basement, unable to draw crowds, could barely talk.

He wasn't a bright guy even before two surgical interventions for brain aneurysms long ago.

Did this elderly buffoon draw 81 million votes?

Nobody believes that, and even a significant chunk of Democrats question the 2020 election's fairness.

[Clownkicker]

"But every shred of evidence, from recounts and audits, suggests the contrary."-johnfibs

So present us with this supposed evidence that every court in the U.S. has ignored when it was placed before them in a lawsuit, johnny. There must be some sort of trail to show how Democrats came up with 5 million imaginary votes for Biden. And there must be some Republicans somewhere who can prove that 5 million votes were fabricated within their own jurisdictions and demonstrate their own incompetence in running elections.

The fact is, there isn't ANY shred of evidence that suggested widespread fraud. You made it up. You have never presented any of this alleged evidence you keep lying about.

What you consider unlikely scenarios are not evidence of anything, dummy. Why do you keep pressing your debunked, unsupported allegations about the election just because you're so stupid you can't grasp just how loathed Trump is by the electorate?

[johnforbes]

So far, has there been even one substantive case where a trial court assessed the merits of evidence?

Don't think so.

Now are courts famous for avoiding cases where they see a lot of trouble and little payoff for them?

Sure, but when the Sup Ct declined to hear the TX case alleging that Texans had a judicially cognizable interest in whether other states violated their own elections laws (as happened in ALL of the key swing states), then dodging the job became more than slightly obvious.

Take PA, where Act 77 specified an end at 8pm Election Day. If that was not adhered to, added votes were -- let us quote the law -- "void." Void. But the elected and pro-Dem PA Sup Ct gave an extra 3 days. But the US Constitution tells us what body has that power -- ONLY the state legislature. So PA did not obey its own election rules.

There are similar situations in GA and AZ and Michigan and Wisconsin.

Dems liked the 2020 outcome, and they should like that. But the election was drenched in problems, as every examination and audit has amply proven.

[Clownkicker]

"So far, has there been even one substantive case where a trial court assessed the merits of evidence?
Don't think so."-johnflubs

And there you have it--johnforbes admits Trump supporters have no evidence of fraud and did not present even a shred of evidence demonstrating widespread election fraud which johnforbes is STILL alleging as the only possible way Biden got 5 million more votes than Trump. johnforbes once again demonstrates that he's got nothin' as always.

And AGAIN, as you know perfectly well, the PA Supreme Court addressed your issue, settled the issue in favor of the actions taken there, and found no violation of PA law. The GA and AZ cases have also been shown to be without merit by REPUBLICAN election officials, not Democrats, so why are you still whining about Democrats not wanting audits of them, dimwit? And why whine about AZ now when Republicans got their wildly partisan audit and it upheld the election of Biden.

What will it take to get you to finally accept the findings of your own party, dummy? Why do you have so little respect for your own people?

[johnforbes]

No, there's plenty of evidence, but you need to get a case before a trier of fact.

No matter where a person stands on the 2020 election (Dems loved it because they "won" and Repubs noted all of the key swing states violated their own voting rules), you need substantive rulings on the merits to gauge the situation, so the courts joined the list of institutions which failed under covid.

[Clownkicker]

It's really quite simple, johnny.

So simple even a simpleton like you should be able to understand.

There IS no evidence to support your claims. Biden won fair and square, and NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN CAN ACTUALLY DISPUTE IT, even after trying for an entire year.

Stop blaming Democrats for Republicans being unable to find any fraud in their audits. And stop blaming Democrats for Giuliani's, Taylor Greene's, MIke Lindell's (et alia) inability to present any evidence of fraud in their frivolous lawsuits.

[johnforbes]

If Dems thought they won fair and square, they would welcome thorough audits in all key swing states.

Instead, Dems oppose audits and even filed suits to stop them.

[Clownkicker]

"If Dems thought they won fair and square, they would welcome thorough audits in all key swing states."-johnfibs

That is utterly untrue, johnny. Dems KNOW they won fair and square because every Republican audit done in swing states (such as GA and AZ) proved it.

But since johnforbes holds Republicans in contempt, what can anyone do to convince him of his galactic stupidity?

[johnforbes]

Sadly, no.

Democrats viciously oppose audits.

Arizona Senate chose Cyber Ninjas, a Florida company, to conduct a complete forensic audit of the Maricopa County 2020 election.

This audit consisted of counting all 2.1 million ballots cast in Maricopa County (the 4th largest county in all of the United States), forensically investigating the ballots themselves in addition to investigating the voting machines used in the election.

MSM’s sensational headlines about how Arizona’s forensic audit of Maricopa County found 360 more votes for Biden than Trump captured headlines, and the story ends there for almost every article you read.

What they fail to tell you is the real meat of the findings: over 57,000 fraudulent ballots

There were 57,734 potentially fraudulent ballots cast in Maricopa County for the 2020 general election. The vote difference in the 2020 election between Biden and Trump in Arizona was only 10,457 votes.

[Clownkicker]

"What they fail to tell you is the real meat of the findings: over 57,000 fraudulent ballots."-johnfibs

They fail to tell you that because it isn't true, dimwit. They DIDN'T find 57,000 fraudulent ballots and never pretended they did. You're the only one pretending something so stupid.

"There were 57,734 potentially fraudulent ballots cast in Maricopa County for the 2020 general election."-johnfibs

No, dummy, there were 2.1 million potentially fraudulent ballots, because EVERY ballot is potentially fraudulent until it is legally voted. In the case of Arizona, they were all legally voted and there were no fraudulent ballots found in the audit.

But johnforbes already knows this and is continuing to lie about it anyway.

[johnforbes]

If Democrats felt senile Joe won by 6 million votes, they would welcome audits of all key swing states to prove that.

Instead, they viciously oppose audits.

There were 57,734 potentially fraudulent ballots cast in Maricopa County for the 2020 general election.

The vote difference in the 2020 election between Biden and Trump in Arizona was only 10,457 votes.

So investigate and find out the real truth -- not the "truth" which favors Biden or favors Trump.

Find out the real truth, but Dems oppose that.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, you're absolutely right, there were no fraudulent ballots found in the AZ audit.

Why do you persist in telling us yet again what everyone already agrees on; that there were no fraudulent ballots discovered in the months-long Republican audit in AZ?

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clown for admitting that I was absolutely correct.

If Democrats felt senile Joe won by 6 million votes, they would welcome audits of all key swing states to prove that.

Instead, they viciously oppose audits.

There were 57,734 potentially fraudulent ballots cast in Maricopa County for the 2020 general election.

The vote difference in the 2020 election between Biden and Trump in Arizona was only 10,457 votes.

So investigate and find out the real truth -- not the "truth" which favors Biden or favors Trump.

[Clownkicker]

"So investigate and find out the real truth -- not the "truth" which favors Biden or favors Trump."-johnflubs

It was already done in AZ. It was already done in GA. But for some reason johnforbes is still yammering on about audits that were already done and that supported the previous election results.

Biden won. Republicans in authority, locally and nationwide, agree that Biden won. Not a shred of evidence of any widespread fraud that would change the election outcome was offered by ANYONE, ever; not in court, not outside of court, not by Trump, not by Trump's lawyers, not by AG Barr, not by Republicans in Congress, not by the Republican Party, not by nutjobs like Mike Lindell or Taylor Greene, not by anyone anywhere,

Yet johnforbes still believes Trump won.

How does anyone talk to someone who doesn't respect the facts or his own party? He simply chooses not to believe anyone. That's his right, but it's a psychosis.

No one in their right mind wants audits of elections that are not disputed. And the 2020 election has not been rationally disputed by anyone. There has never been any evidence offered by anyone to dispute the outcome.

[johnforbes]

No, a thorough audit of the most significant areas of the key swing states has NOT been done.

If I still a JFK Democrat (in theory and policy, I still am), I'd want the certitude which comes with that.

Every look at the 2020 race has revealed more questions and problems, and it was known in Nov 2020 that all of the key swing states had violated their own election rules.

For Democrats, I understand that they are terrified of thorough audits, but they should not be.

Audits were the route by which Joe's presidency could have been make crystal clear to everybody, but they simply have not been done in the key parts of the swing states.

Repubs want that, and Dems should too to remove any lingering doubts.

[Clownkicker]

"Audits were the route by which Joe's presidency could have been make crystal clear to everybody, ..."-johnfibs

The Republican audit of the AZ election is proof that is not true.

After a six month Republican audit which showed Biden won, you yourself STILL don't believe Biden won Arizona.

If you won't believe your own party, and no one anywhere has provided any evidence of fraud anywhere, then why would anyone wast time on audits that would convince no one. It's already crystal clear to anyone with a brain. You keep pretending it isn't crystal clear, and that's solely because you are a sore loser and a partisan hack.

You are like talking to a brick wall with a loudspeaker in it droning unchanging partisan propaganda on a loop, which propaganda is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. But you don't care that there is no evidence for your assertions, just as all Trump supporters who believe the election was stolen don't care that they have no evidence whatsoever to support their beliefs.

[johnforbes]

With all the dubious situations, no reasonable person could know.

Every adult can accept defeat, if that is the way it turns out.

If you play basketball, or arm-wrestle in the cafeteria daily, you know both winning and losing.

If I were to arm-wrestle Devon Larratt, my loss would be instant -- i.e., the same result as when Clowntoker loses to his grandmother.

With regard to the 2020 election, Democrats should WANT certitude that Joe won and by 6 million votes.

But Democrats continue to be scared to death of any thorough audit of any key area in a swing state, and pollls have show a significant percentage of Dems don't feel that Joe really won.

[Clownkicker]

The Republican audit of the AZ election is proof that johnforbes will not believe the results of any audit.

Why keep pretending more Republican audits would change your mind, johnny?

Biden won. Multiple audits in Republican states proved it. Republicans in authority, locally and nationwide, agree that Biden won. Not a shred of evidence of any widespread fraud that would change the election outcome was offered by ANYONE, ever; not in court, not outside of court, not by Trump, not by Trump's lawyers, not by AG Barr, not by Republicans in Congress, not by the Republican Party, not by nutjobs like Mike Lindell or Taylor Greene, not by anyone anywhere.

More such pointless audits would be fiscally irresponsible, would convince no one, and would change nothing.

In other words, it would be like listening to johnforbes hold forth all day.

[johnforbes]

Dems should welcome audits which, according to them, would merely prove senile Joe won big.

So why are Dems so frightened of audits?

Because of the astounding array of problems uncovered so far, such as ballot error rates a tiny fraction of a norm in an election with massive amounts of mail ballots which ALWAYS (per the NY Times) lead to enormous errors.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, if you really want to shut me up, just answer this simple question "Yes" or "No"

After the Republican audit found that Biden won the AZ vote, do you now accept that Biden won the AZ vote?

Unfortunately, if you answer this simple question you will no longer be able to garbage up the board with your phony argument about audits.

Let's see if johnforbes really believes audits will settle his uncertainties about Biden winning.

Show us all that your sagging scrotum isn't as empty as you make it seem.

[johnforbes]

That isn't really what the AZ partial audit found.

As Clown knows full well, that is merely the dishonest summary furnished by leftist media.

Now let's return to the main point -- finding out the truth, regardless of what party it helps.

Full, thorough audits of all key swing states should help prove that senile Joe won easily and prevailed by 6 million valid votes.

So why are Dems terrified of audits?

[Clownkicker]

"Full, thorough audits of all key swing states should help prove that senile Joe won easily and prevailed by 6 million valid votes."-johnflubs

So the thorough 6-month audit in AZ is apparently so useless that johnforbes is still not convinced Biden won AZ.

But at least dimwit johnny just proved my point that partisan turds WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THOROUGH AUDITS IN SWING STATES.

And yet johnny keeps yammering about how audits would settle things when he and other Trump loonies still question the vote in AZ.

QED

It's easy to see why johnforbes opts to do his drag act--it's easy for him because he has nothing to tuck up into his panties, so he's quite convincing as a woman.

[johnforbes]

A huge percentage of the population believes senile Joe was installed, not elected.

It doesn't matter what we here believe -- the general public feels that 2020 election had no credibility.

Every adult can accept defeat, if that is the way it turns out.

If you play basketball, or arm-wrestle in the cafeteria daily, you know both winning and losing.

If I were to arm-wrestle Devon Larratt, my loss would be instant -- i.e., the same result as when Clowntoker loses to his grandmother.

With regard to the 2020 election, Democrats should WANT certitude that Joe won and by 6 million votes.

But Democrats continue to be scared to death of any thorough audit of any key area in a swing state, and pollls have show a significant percentage of Dems don't feel that Joe really won.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, your lengthy admission that the Republican audits in AZ and GA did nothing to convince braindead Trump supporters of Biden's legitimacy only proves your claim that audits would somehow convince braindead Trump supporters like yourself of Biden's legitimacy is a lie and you Obviously know it. They didn't convince YOU.

QED

You're just another yammering partisan, no different from your typical loony pillow salesman or Alex Jones lying radio nutjob.

[elklindo69]

An Arizona court is set to decide early next month whether to hold the Republican-led state Senate in contempt for failing to hand over documents related to the partisan, Cyber Ninjas review of ballots cast in the 2020 election.

On Tuesday, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Michael Kemp set a hearing for December 2 to address the lack of compliance with his earlier ruling that the documents should be handed over.

Attorneys for the state Senate, which commissioned the review of Maricopa County's 2.1 million ballots, have said some of the documents are protected by "legislative privilege," an argument the court rejected last month.

"t is hard to imagine more serious litigation than the disclosure of documents underlying an audit of the election of the President of the United States and a United States Senator," Judge Kemp wrote at the time. "This goes to the heart of our democracy and this audit was done in response to allegations of fraud and corruption."

[johnforbes]

The partial audit attempts in GA and AZ were strenuously resisted by Dems.

And why?

Because Dems are -- and have been -- utterly terrified of what might emerge.

Senile Joe, now with approval at 36 percent, has been a total disaster.

Nobody believes he was energetic or charismatic or actually got 81 million legit votes.

Not even Dems.

[Clownkicker]

"The partial audit attempts in GA and AZ were strenuously resisted by Dems."-johnflubs

And now they are strenuousloy resisted by Repubs. What's your point, dimwit? Even you don't believe them and are here now vociferously resisting them.

It only proves the lie that further audits would settle the election.

QED

[johnforbes]

My sole concern is with election credibility, regardless of what party wins (or, as relevant now, prevails).

Currently, a huge chunk of Repubs and a small chunk of Dems think senile Joe was installed rather than fairly elected.

Audits should be done of ALL key areas ALL the time, regardless of whether that serves to help Dems or Repubs.

[Clownkicker]

"My sole concern is with election credibility, regardless of what party wins (or, as relevant now, prevails)."-johnfibs

No, that's a lie.

You have proven that your only concern is to ignore every Republican audit of key states when they tell you Biden won. The only audit you would ever believe is one that told you Trump won. We already know what party won, but feel free to waste your own money on even more audits that prove what the rest of us already know if you think it will make you feel better.

You don't believe or respect your own party, and you will never believe anything they tell you. Neither will any other Trump supporter. You will simply continue to insist that we need several more years of audits that go nowhere and then you will bitch about how all the audits by Republicans were conspiracies intended to elect a Democrat.

You're insane, a sufferer of terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome, and your family should be made aware of it before they sleep in the same house with you even one more night.

[johnforbes]

Per contra, it is quite true.

Anybody who has been in judo contests, or played college basketball, knows that losing is part of that.

It doesn't feel good to lose, but you have to accept it, and Repubs would have accepted a Trump loss had they felt the election was fair.

But a huge percentage of Repubs, plus an interesting percent of Dems, feel the 2020 election was "fortified" as Newsweek said.

Audit the key swing states, find out what happened, and let the chips fall where they may.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, why do you keep telling us you don't trust the six month Republican audit of the AZ vote? We already believe you.

And if you don't trust the Republican audit, why do you pretend you would trust a Democrat audit one iota more?

Fact is, there is nothing anyone anywhere could do to make Trump supporters believe Trump lost. That's what is known as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[johnforbes]

The duration was because Dems resisted and litigated.

Dems should welcome audits because, if they think senile Joe won, then audits in ALL key swing states would prove that and give Joe more credibility.

But Dems are very, very scared of audits because they don't think Joe, in his basement and with tiny crowds at events, really won.

Instead, as the great Newsweek article showed, the media and mail ballots "fortified" the election for Dems.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, why do you keep telling us you don't trust the thorough, nit-picking Republican audit of the AZ vote? We already believe you.

And if you don't trust the Republican audit, why do you pretend you would trust a Democrat audit one iota more?

Fact is, there is nothing anyone anywhere could do to make Trump supporters believe Trump lost. That's what is known as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

And johnforbes is the foremost example of the wacko partisan syndrome.

[johnforbes]

Oh heck, if you followed that at all, you know it was not thorough at all, and Democrats resisted and litigated and "lost" evidence at every turn.

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying you don't believe the Republican AZ audit and you wouldn't believe a Democrat audit either.

That's what I said, dummy.

So how are more audits supposed to convince a partisan clown like you who doesn't believe any audits, dimwit?

[johnforbes]

No, that isn't what I said or intended.

What I would want is an utterly non-partisan, thorough, fair audit of the key swing states so that EVERYBODY could have confidence who won and who lost.

At this point, Repubs feel ripped off and even a surprising percentage of Dems believe the 2020 election was dubious.

Take a look at the fascinating Newsweek article explaining how the election was "fortified" (their word) for Dems.

[elklindo69]

Johnnie...you seem intent on blathering on and on about what? Nothing.

Nobody cares about how people feel...if the results don't meet the expectations of their pet theory well that's their problem.

The republicans got their own "auditing" firm, cyber ninjas, and their results confirmed that Biden won the election.

And now cyber ninjas is now being sued in order to get them to release the results of their own audit because they refuse to release the results of their own audit. So apparently the auditor is refusing to get audited. Now I wonder why the auditor refusing to get audited? What is it that they have to hide?

[johnforbes]

Elkin does seem intent on leftist blather.

What I would want is an utterly non-partisan, thorough, fair audit of the key swing states so that EVERYBODY could have confidence who won and who lost.

At this point, Repubs feel ripped off and even a surprising percentage of Dems believe the 2020 election was dubious.

Take a look at the fascinating Newsweek article explaining how the election was "fortified" (their word) for Dems.

[elklindo69]

Please....you Trump supporters could care less about election audits. So the Trump republicans in Wisconsin are up to their what? Fourth Audit???

And it was found that Trump lost every single time?

[johnforbes]

A huge percentage of the forum deems Elkin doltish.

A huge percentage of the population believes senile Joe was installed, not elected.

It doesn't matter what we here believe -- the general public feels that 2020 election had no credibility.

Every adult can accept defeat, if that is the way it turns out.

If you play basketball, or arm-wrestle in the cafeteria daily, you know both winning and losing.

If I were to arm-wrestle Devon Larratt, my loss would be instant -- i.e., the same result as when Clowntoker loses to his grandmother.

With regard to the 2020 election, Democrats should WANT certitude that Joe won and by 6 million votes.

But Democrats continue to be scared to death of any thorough audit of any key area in a swing state, and pollls have show a significant percentage of Dems don't feel that Joe really won.

[Clownkicker]

A huge percentage of the population believes senile Joe was installed, not elected. They are the people who believe that a dead Venezuelan rigged U.S. voting machines, that Jewish space lasers started fires in California, that thousands of dead people voted despite there being no evidence whatsoever that it happened, and that every Republican Secretary of State and Republican Governor in swing states lied to them about Biden winning. Yet johnforbes believes these nutjobs should control our elections. But what do you expect from someone like johnforbes who supports the military to run our elections?


"It doesn't matter what we here believe -- the general public feels that 2020 election had no credibility."-johnfibs

No, the general public believes Biden won fair and square. This includes virtually all Democrats and 40% of Republicans.
You made it up.


But who cares what a dishonest partisan like johnforbes believes anyway? Every adult can accept defeat, if that is the way it turns out. But in spite of a months-long partisan Republican audit in AZ supporting Biden's win, he still can't accept defeat. If he won't believe Democrats, and he won't believe his own party leaders and elected official, then there is no talking to him because there is no one else for anyone to believe on the subject.

[johnforbes]

I can accept defeat when genuine, but of course very few people can tolerate the stench of de feet of Clownslacker.

[Clownkicker]

I'm glad that johnforbes finally admits he accepts defeat concerning the Republican AZ audit. After all, he believes it was a genuine good-faith effort.

Now if he would only tell all those other Trump supporters they are wrong, we could all look forward to the future under Biden.

[johnforbes]

Certainly, if the science pointed to it, I could accept defeat in an election.

Actually, the entire country would be better off had there been a clear, uncontroversial winner and loser, but alas Democrats were terrified to conduct thorough audits of the key swing states.

A huge percentage of the population believes senile Joe was installed, not elected.

It doesn't matter what we here believe -- the general public feels that 2020 election had no credibility.

Every adult can accept defeat, if that is the way it turns out.

If you play basketball, or arm-wrestle in the cafeteria daily, you know both winning and losing.

If I were to arm-wrestle Devon Larratt, my loss would be instant -- i.e., the same result as when Clowntoker loses to his grandmother.

With regard to the 2020 election, Democrats should WANT certitude that Joe won and by 6 million votes.

But Democrats continue to be scared to death of any thorough audit of any key area in a swing state, and pollls have show a significant percentage of Dems don't feel that Joe really won.

[Clownkicker]

Again, I'm glad that johnforbes finally admits he accepts defeat concerning the Republican AZ audit. After all, he believes it was a genuine good-faith effort.

Now if he would only tell all those other Trump supporters the Republican audit was genuine and showed Biden won, we could all look forward to a stable future under Biden.

[johnforbes]

Mr Forbes certainly does follow the science.

If the science pointed to it, even his noble brow could accept defeat in an election.

Actually, the entire country would be better off had there been a clear, uncontroversial winner and loser, but alas Democrats were terrified to conduct thorough audits of the key swing states.

A huge percentage of the population believes senile Joe was installed, not elected.

It doesn't matter what we here believe -- the general public feels that 2020 election had no credibility.