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#130962
No Need To Replace Race in the Capitalist Vision


Why all the racial violence by Repubs?

Because, in the Capitalist vision of today (just as in the past) race is the reliable basis for sowing tribalistic fear in support of supposed white supremacy.
#130963
Nonsense, just the other day the Congress voted to give a paid day off for June whatever out of white guilt.

Sure, it is a good thing slavery ended, and my ancestors all opposed it in Ireland where they were more akin to the slaves.

But how is spending taxpayer money that way a tribute?
#130972
It figures that johnforbes can't get behind one of the few "real" holidays we have in America, being a hypocrite as he is.

Juneteenth is "real" because first, it celebrates an actual event--the end of slavery in America--which every true American (as well as many Republicans) support. It isn't some fake religious holiday that offends half the country. And it isn't something silly like "Presidents Day" which isn't actually Presidents Day (how fake is that?) which has its dubious major celebration revolving around the sale of cars.

No, the end of slavery in America should be johnforbes' favorite holiday since we know how he keeps insisting that America is the least racist large country in the world. And why does he say that? Because the end of slavery marked the day that America was no longer 100% racist. (It was only 80% racist after that with nationwide Jim Crow laws in place and legal redlining in it's financial institutions.)

I am puzzled to see johnforbes pooh-pooh this new Federal holiday as a waste of taxpayer money since it is one of the few Federal holidays that isn't a huge waste of taxpayer money. It marks the day America became (at least ostensibly) civilized. And it made inroads into brigning Americans together after a long racist divide. That's a very good thing.

The end of slavery in America thrills every true American (as well as many Republicans. But not johnforbes, sadly.) On this day America was no longer a nation of inhuman savages. And this fact should be celebrated.

Think about it, johnny.
#131011
I'm thinking
winter solstice day, in place of, you know.
Leif Erikson day in place of Columbus who never saw America.
or Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt day for a true American hero.
Rochambeau day to mark understanding you can't do it alone, you need allies and fries.
jan 6 insurrection day to mark a disgusting ignorance. ignorance replacing justice in the republican self centered vision.
#131029
none that i know of tried to overthrow american government now did they ? they simply wanted to stop getting shot in the back by little cock gutless racist chicken shit macho government officials with a badge and an iq of 90.

no weapons...
oh look another false statement by a sparkle pony patriot. do you have the ability to ever tell the truth without a layer of bovine excrement ever? ever?

Those weapons included lots of baseball bats, chemical sprays, police officer’s riot shield, crowbar, buffalo bull horns on an idiot qanon jack ass, hand cuffs, stun guns, axes, bear spray, fire extinguishers, pipe bomb, brass knuckles, a plethora of dictator-wanna-be flagpoles, doors, and boots which become awesome weapons for kicking teeth out and bashing brains all over the floor... your capitol dream hugh sparkles.
#131030
It remains to be seen if anybody will face a weapons charge.

Was even one gun found? Doesn't seem so.

I have used bear spray to evict a bear from my yard, but it isn't clear whether that would prove efficacious against, say the BLM rioters who burned and looted in town after town throughout 2020.
#131036
"It remains to be seen if anybody will face a weapons charge."-johnfibs

We've already seen it and so have you, dummy.

"Was even one gun found? Doesn't seem so."-johnfibs

Yes, multiple guns (and Molotov cocktails) were found and you know it, johnny.

"An Alabama man [Lonnie Leroy Coffman was] charged with bringing five loaded firearms and 11 molotov cocktails with napalm-like properties to the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 approached Sen. Ted Cruz’s Washington home and office weeks earlier to discuss “election fraud” and previously joined an armed-citizen camp at the Texas border, new court filings alleged Monday."

johnforbes excuses armed rioting, looting, and destruction of property by hundreds of white people because he doesn't consider bats and flag poles and bear spray and fire extinguishers and police shields and doors and zip tie handcuffs to be weapons or "arms". But they are. And things like zip tie handcuffs have only one purpose--to kidnap and take hostages. But johnforbes doesn'r have a problem with that.


johnny, you can't change your false statement now just because you were caught lying as you scramble to find a loophole to excuse your support of partisan violence by whites.

"About 140 officers — 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington — were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack."-NYTimes

This is what johnforbes shrugs off as 'peaceful protesting'. Imagine if blacks had ever injured 140 police in a riot. It would have been a bloodbath. Many of the police have still not returned to work because of their injuries.

But while excusing whites for rioting and destruction, johnny condemns blacks for rioting and destruction when they wielded fewer weapons than the armed white rioters, all of which were caught using weapons (yes, arms) on video. And just because the whites were smart enough to leave their Molotov cocktails and firearms in a van until needed after their bombs were detonated does not make the perpetrators 'unarmed'. Many of them absolutely were.

Curiously, not one of the BLM crowd is up on a weapons charge. johnforbes doesn't care.

johnny is even forgiving the use of bear spray against police because whites did it. If a black had done it, he would condemn it.

johnforbes excuses and actually supports the white Capitol violence (as we have seen all along with his comments about the Jan. 6 riot. To this day he has not condemned it.) while condemning less serious unarmed black violence. This sort of double standard and hypocrisy is unforgivable from someone who is well aware that the Capitol riot was an "armed" riot.
#131040
When all the security video is released (why is it still secret?), and all the charges brought, we shall see what we shall see.

Just the other day, Joe claimed a mob invaded and killed a cop, but Sicknick died of natural causes as science (autopsy) showed.
#131042
As always, johnforbes demonstrates his inability to admit he was wrong.

Thus, the usual distraction, as always, in order to pretend he wasn't caught lying to us. But he was.

Still, his distraction doesn't change the fact the Trump supporters were armed rioters, and armed in many deadly ways on Jan. 6th.
#131053
Too soon to know what transpired there, and I will await the evidence.

Why continue to conceal what are reportedly thousands of hours of security video?

Reportedly no insurrection-specific charges will be lodged, and apparently no gun charge.

As a rational person, rather than a Trump hater, I'll wait for the actual charges and the wait has already been so long that any defense lawyer would be worried about deprivation of due process because, after all, we are not a Banana Republic which engages in political persecution.

Putin claimed that, and hopefully he is dead wrong about that.
#131057
No, as an irrational partisan person and a Trump lover, you'll simply dismiss any charges that get filed as being Democrat censorship of protesters. You won't wait for anything, as your unreserved support and excuse-making thus far for the the rioters (despite your admitted ignorance) proves.

You saw for yourself (live) rioters attacking police and injuring them, you saw rioters breaking windows and crawling in but still insist you don't know if there was a riot or not.

That's how utterly dishonest and partisan you are.
#131068
"I suspect they will overcharge, as zealous Dems always do."-johnfibs

Criminy, johnny, it's zealous 'law and order' Republican prosecutors who militantly overcharge. And you love them for it. It's the Republican brand. They run their entire campaigns on how tough they are on criminals; how they intend to 'throw the book' at criminals.

And you see no problem with your constant whining about how Democrats are "soft on crime" and they "let criminals off too easy" while you are simultaneously criticizing them for being too hard on crime and over-charging?

That is the sort of cognitive dissonance that Republicans have to problem with. It makes perfect sense to dimwits like johnny.
#131075
Well, let me clarify.

I don't believe in political charges such as the attempt to get Trump with a fake dossier.

Or the effort to brand a riot as anything more, assuming it was, but we shall have to await charges, and the release of all the security video, and we shall see what we shall see.

I apologize for believing in the rule of law and waiting until all the facts are known.

And Clown apologizes for being a reckless partisan willing to abuse the law for political ends.
#131077
Notice johnny couldn't refute or deny my point about his cognitive dissonance over Republicans who more often overcharge than Democrats.

If anything, charges that have been brought so far look like 'undercharging' from what I witnessed in the videos.

Breaking windows, crawling in, and marauding through the halls calling for 'peaceful protesters' to hang the Vice President and Speaker of the House(which we all heard on the video audio) is not merely "trespassing" in my book. But hey, Republicans believe every American has the god-given right to credibly threaten the lives of elected officials. That's just "free speech" to them.
#131080
Do Repubs ever overcharge?

Obviously yes.

Do Dems do it more? I don't know if anybody has fairly studied that, but Dems sure do overcharge for political reasons, and cases are easy to cite such as Freddie Gray.

George Floyd is another case where the real cause of death surely related o fentanyl OD from him attempting to swallow evdience, and it was a big leap of logic to charge the cop with murder when surely that was not the proper charge except in leftist political terms.
#131082
Geezus, johnny, you watched the guy calmly kneel on Floyd's neck for two minutes after he no longer had a pulse. And he stopped a trained EMT from providing aid at that point.

Chauvin INTENDED for Floyd to die. You saw it. It wasn't an accident. Drugs or no drugs, Floyd was going to die.

That is first degree murder in anyone's book, without regard to politics or party.
#131089
Come on, even the genuine leftists lunatics don't believe that cops get up in the morning and go plan to murder people.

I certainly think some charge was appropriate given the amount of time, and what I would have done is get EMTs because Floyd was complaining of breathing trouble at the very outset -- probably because he ingested fentanyl (a trick he had done before and which landed him in the hospital).

But the actual charges were overcharging, and that remains true even though a jury in a lynch mob cyber atmosphere fell for it.
#131112
"Come on, even the genuine leftists lunatics don't believe that cops get up in the morning and go plan to murder people."-johnflubs

Criminy, johnforbes claims he went to law school and graduated without knowing what constitutes First Degree Murder. What a crappy law school.

"First Degree Murder-- The intentional killing of another person by someone who has acted willfully, deliberately, or with planning."-Cornell Law School

Chauvin met the criteria of "willfully, deliberately" killing Floyd. Chauvin clearly intended that Floyd would die, as his refusal of licensed medical assistance proves. Chauvin didn't need to "get up in the morning and go plan to murder people." for it to be First Degree Murder, dimwit.

If anything, Chauvin was undercharged.

johnforbes really needs to retake his criminal law courses.
#131134
Wow, johnforbes finally admitted that he's got nuthin, which is what I just said and he affirmed with his last post saying we are in agreement.

It's definitely a Red Letter Day for this forum---our impotent partisan liar johnforbes admits he's an impotent partisan liar!

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