[johnforbes]

Thought?

[Clownkicker]

I think there is no such story. Your handlers are jerking you around again.

Because you never learn.

[johnforbes]

But there is, of course, just such a story.

[Clownkicker]

No, there isn't.

[johnforbes]

Why yes, yes there is.

A tiny quest for the truth will yield benefits, grasshopper.

[Clownkicker]

No, there isn't.

I did a search and got zero results for your claim.

It may be that there is some obscure Right Wing nut job site that has such a made up story, but that wouldn't show up in the first three pages of a google search.

There is no such story. You made it up, as you do with all of your loony Rightist propaganda.

[johnforbes]

Why yes, yes there is.

Have Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube suppressed it? Yes.

Just recently, a lady with MD and PhD degrees pointed out that myocarditis has popped up as a problem with a lot of kids getting the covid shot, so she was kicked off Twitter by some young moron there with a BA in sociology.

[Clownkicker]

No, there isn't. You made it up.

And the proof is that no one anywhere can come up with the alleged story. Not even you.

Believe it or not, the internet does not consist of Twitter, Facebook, and youtube, dimwit. Nobody gets their news from those sources. I know you didn't because you don't even read twitter or Facebook. And music videos are not news either, dummy.

[johnforbes]

There are many places to track the fascinating story of HCQ, which apparently has no good effect if given late, but has had beneficial results if given very early or on a preventative basis.

If you are serious (probably aren't), start some reading here:

https://hcqmeta.com/

[johnforbes]

There are many others, of course.

A new study shows that the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine touted by former President Donald Trump increased the survival rate of severely ill coronavirus patients.

The observational study, published by medRxiv, found that antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, along with azithromycin, could increase the coronavirus survival rate by as much as nearly 200% if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.

“We found that when the cumulative doses of two drugs, HCQ and AZM, were above a certain level, patients had a survival rate 2.9 times the other patients,” the study’s conclusion states.

The study adds, “By using causal analysis and considering of weight-adjusted cumulative dose, we prove the combined therapy, >3 g HCQ andzinc > 1g AZM greatly increases survival in Covid patients on IMV and that HCQ cumulative dose > 80 mg/kg works substantially better. These data do not yet apply to hospitalized patients not on IMV. Since those with higher doses of HCQ had higher doses of AZM, we cannot solely attribute the causal effect to HCQ/AZM combination therapy. However, it is likely AZM does contribute significantly to this increase in survival rate. Since higher dose HCQ/AZM therapy improves survival by nearly 200% in this population, the safety data are moot.”

study was conducted by Saint Barnabas Medical Center in New Jersey

[Clownkicker]

It is good to see johnforbes finally agrees with what Fauci told us all a year ago but that johnforbes refused to believe; that HCQ reduced severity of illness when administered early in the illness, had little effect when administered late in the illness, but had no prophylactic efficacy as johnny and Trump ignorantly insisted.

It is sad to see that johnforbes is just now getting this information a year late from his handlers who are clearly convincing him that it somehow proves he and Trump were right about HCQ when it shows just the opposite, as proven by the very studies he FINALLY linked us to.

The bizarre thing here is that old news from a year ago is what johnforbes considers to be a "story." I guess it's a story like the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor is a "story." But it isn't news any longer to anyone not living in delusional Trump World. And these studies prove that neither Fauci, Democrats, nor "the Left" stopped or hindered further research into HCQ as johnfibs insists to this day that they did.

Thanks for vindicating me, johnny. It's rare that you produce evidence against yourself this way.

I guess that's SORT OF an apology for your past inane and false postings on HCQ.

[johnforbes]

No idea what sources you have been looking at, but the issue even a year ago was whether HCQ could help (with zpack) if given EARLY.

If you were sick with covid, and had any sort of other problem (say exogenous obesity in Clownslacker's case), other therapeutics would be better at that juncture.

[Clownkicker]

I don't know what irrelevant point you're trying to make with this thread, but no one ever said "HCQ doesn't work" in the first place. You made it up.

What "people" (scientists, Fauci) said is that there was no indication that HCQ worked as a prophylactic, as you and Trump insisted for over a year that it did. You are STILL defending Trump's falsehoods on the subject of HCQ. You have yet to admit Trump was wrong about anything concerning HCQ.

You also insisted Fauci and "leftists" (meaning anyone who disagreed with Trump's falsehoods) stopped or hindered research into HCQ, but your own link to further studies proves that to be a lie. They obviously didn't stop further research into HCQ.

What Fauci and researchers actually said is that HCQ only seemed to help against COVID when administered after the onset of illness and only in the early days of illness.

You're now here agreeing with what I've said all along and with what Fauci said as policy, but you're still pretending you are disagreeing with us. I have no idea why you repeatedly do that. It's downright nuts.

[johnforbes]

They pretty much all said that.

Fauci turned up his nose in disdain, as if he had no idea that there was like seven decades of experience with the side-effects of HCQ and as if it were beneath him to ponder the efficacy of any cheap, available drug which might work.

We now know 1.8 billion people got early HCQ, with a stunning 69 percent lower mortality rate.

I've followed this issue not out of politics, but merely being curious:

What is the science on this?

[elklindo69]

The FDA has evaluated the data and Hydroxycholorquinine was not approved to treat the symptoms of COVID-19..

It's that simple....

[johnforbes]

But that was based on lobbying from Big Pharma.

As a stock investor, I agree with paying huge sums to treat it.

But 1.8 billion people got early HCQ, and had a 69 percent LOWER mortality rate.

Pray tell, what did the FDA say about that?

[Clownkicker]

I don't think India and Thailand got the memo that they weren't supposed to die after receiving prophylactic HCQ, johnny.

[johnforbes]

No, the "memo" was that its early use lowered the mortality rate -- not eradicated it.

Why did the Left even argue about HCQ other than its hatred of Trump, who mentioned it?

Personally, faced with a pandemic, I didn't care what worked, but wanted something to work.

[Clownkicker]

"Personally, faced with a pandemic, I didn't care what worked, but wanted something to work."-johnfoibles

We went over this already, dummy. What you "wanted" is, as always, irrelevant.

Your "wishes" and "wants" are not science, and they don't make anything better. And neither is what Trump "wished" for, like the "miraculous" disappearance of COVID-19. They are demonstrably dangerous partisan fantasies. Look at the harm your "wishes" have done, from having no plan to distribute vaccines when they became available and claiming the pandemic was all a Democrat hoax to convincing dimwitted supporters not to take the vaccines.

You clowns are truly dangerous.

[johnforbes]

No, there were people like me who just wanted something to prove efficacious, even an old anti-malarial Rx.

Others, like Clown, hated Trump so much they didn't even want to considering anything he mentioned.

[Clownkicker]

Again with the nonsense about what you "wanted."

Nobody cares what you or anyone else "wanted". Intelligent people did scientific research and developed practical weapons against COVID that were not based on impotent fantasies like yours and Trump's.

"Wants," wishful thinking, holding super spreader events, and a refusal to enact rational public health measures are what Republicans relied on to face the pandemic. And they are still irrationally refusing to get vaccinated at a high rate.

Science and rational public health measures are what Democrats relied on to face the pandemic.

Think about it, johnny. It's an important difference that could save your life and the lives of your family. If it were up to Trump, you would be injected with an ineffective prophylactic and probably still be without a vaccination.

[johnforbes]

Trump had oversight on the quick effort to develop the vaccine.

They only delayed announcing it in the hope that Biden would win the election.

It does matter that I wanted some cheap, available Rx to work.

Any sane person would have wanted that.

Clown and his ilk were so drenched in hate for Trump that they didn't care at all what worked.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you HAD your cheap, available Rx for treating COVID.

You and Trump "wished" for COVID to "miraculously disappear." It doesn't get any cheaper than that, and wishing for miracles has a nationwide infrastructure in place on Sundays already. Otherwise Trump did nothing about getting vaccines out to America as his bleak failure in December and January proves. Thank gawd Biden got things moving. Imagine the public health catastrophe we would have faced if Trump had been re-elected.

In the mean time, researchers kept up their studies on HCQ. Unfortunately for us, the studies all show that it is of little use in fighting COVID except in very narrow circumstances, despite Trump and you insisting it is a miracle drug.

[johnforbes]

We all wished for covid to disappear, and one day it will.

Unlike the Left, I had no aspirations to ruin the economy and have endless lockdowns and rules not supported by science.

Moronic governors actually closed beaches and parks.

[divermouse]

no what was moronic was and is you assholes denying simple things like a mask.
believing stupid unfounded voodoo lemming medicine.
turning people into magnets, space alien baby trackesrs
denying it was far above a common flu.
it's just going to go away, if you just collect enough toilet paper and guns.
pushing fsb / svr over cia
while cruising tverskauya street in your volga
there ain't enough space to list all the stupid distracting diversions and blatant ignorance, you sparkle pony patriot's will spew for a tax cut. and just this past four years we find that the sparkling pseudo patriot party does not believe in democracy or justice. as joni sang just ice .
Governed by greed and lust?
Just the strong doing what they can
And the weak suffering what they must?

[johnforbes]

Until March 31, 2020, both Fauci and the Surgeon General, plus the WHO, said healthy members of the general population should NOT wear a mask.

Fact.

[Clownkicker]

But after March 31, 2020 both Fauci and the Surgeon General, plus the WHO, said healthy members of the general population should DEFINITELY wear masks. If you are saying you valued their directions before March 31, 2020, then why don't you value their directions after March 2020?

You can't pretend you respect their judgment one month and use it to defend your partisan bullshit but not respect it the next month when their recommendations adjust to new knowledge about the virus, just because it goes against your partisan bullshit. You can't adamantly defend Trump for promoting the recommendations of public health professionals one month but then criminally refuse to promote their recommendations for almost a year after the early policies changed. Trump actually got people killed needlessly.

And if you thought their recommendations were wrong when Trump promoted them before March 31, 2020, then you never should have supported Trump's nonsense even then.

You have continued to support Trump's evil behavior of telling people they didn't need to wear masks even after Fauci told the country to wear them once supply had increased enough for the general population to get them without putting frontline workers at risk. You're nothing but a partisan hypocrite.

Fact.

[johnforbes]

Having been in Asia during flu outbreaks, I instantly saw the probable utility of masks.

So I was shocked to hear Fauci, the WHO, and the S General say they were NOT needed for healthy members of the general population.

We now know that Fauci himself was noting, in Feb 2020, that the virus was too small to be contained by non-N95 masks.

So, in certain circumstances, obviously masks made sense to contain aerosolized droplets from a sneeze.

Mask mandates were probably never needed, and the citizens should have been informed of the facts and allowed to decide, as happened in S Dakota for example.

Power tends to corrupt, and we saw Whitmer and DeBlasio and Newsom and Lightfoot and Obama and a host of other hypocrites disobey their own mask mandates.

Lord Acton's dictum was germane.

[divermouse]

i'm pretty sure he referred to the fact that a mask is only is 95% because of the droplets you so blazingly refer to as the entire enchilada. hence the 6' apart... god damn man do you ever tire of being low paid cherry picker on k street or weasel street as i call it. meanwhile >6000,000 dead. your so fucking cute.

[johnforbes]

According to the CDC, only 6 percent of the deaths listed as "covid" were from that solely.

The rest came with an average of 2.4 other co-morbid conditions.

Instead of playing cute with the data, why not be honest?

[Clownkicker]

It's a little disturbing that johnforbes considers the pandemic response of India, China, Russia, Brazil, Britain, Italy, and all the rest to simply be a silly overreaction to a relatively benign virus. johnforbes is so dimwittted he doesn't understand that over half the human race has these "co-morbid" conditions.

That's why Trump supporters are so quick to believe that this global pandemic with nearly 4 million dead is all just a Democrat hoax and an paranoid example of "government overreach".

Why all the fuss, eh, johnny? What's another 4 million dead? Let them die and decrease the surplus population, right?

...and he has no idea how vile his partisan belief system is.

[divermouse]

100% breathed air, with 79% Nitrogen 19.--% O2 and <2% other crap gasses 100% got covid and 2% died ergo it must be the air. 100% shit their dippers and none died from that. so shit your pants there sparkles it's safe. plus the smell goes with most everything you spout. 100% had failures in life. so you should just give up and wait for godot . statistically only 11.9 / 100,000 die from auto crashes does that mean 88.1 /100,000 can drive 150 mph in the neighborhood? I mean after all only 11 die so what the big deal. and let me guess of those die from head trama, x% blood loss, X% heart attack, not the car crushing them. so they must be over stating car accidents at 150 mph in the neighborhood according to your really smart logic from yale? give me a fucking break . won't you let me drive your kids @150, ( sing cream politician) in my big black car.? get a new topic from your criminal anti american distraction tool kit, this one is way tired and your STILL fucking wrong. denying, lying, and deflecting as you did for so long assisted in the senseless killing how many extra ? WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED WITH TRUTH from your lying POS putin 's puppet buddy. ring the goddamn bell.

[johnforbes]

With regard to Clownslacker's comments (supra), I did peruse The Splendid and the Vile last summer.

I didn't finish the tome, but one may only assume the "vile" portion related to Clown.