[johnforbes]

Great, now that medical students are selected in pertinent part based upon race, now we want pilots selected that way too.

Isn't this both dumb and racist?


"CHICAGO (Reuters) - United Airlines said on Tuesday it wants women and people of color to make up at least half of the 5,000 pilots it plans to train this decade at its new flight school, a push to diversify a career traditionally dominated by white men.

[Clownkicker]

It's sad that johnforbes is so frightened of losing his white male privilege. (Apparently he doesn't think he could cut it in a fair marketplace of equal opportunity.) He doesn't even realize that what he is actually saying is that he believes white males are inherently superior to women (half of the human race) and people of color. (more than half of the human race) Like there's something magical about being white and male that makes one a better pilot.

To johnforbes, it is beyond comprehension that any woman or any person of color could possibly achieve the same things white males can achieve.

But while johnforbes is pissing himself over the thought, let's look at what United Airlines said.

"United Airlines said on Tuesday it wants women and people of color to make up at least half of the 5,000 pilots it plans to train this decade at its new flight school,..."

So not only is johnforbes parading his subconscious racism, but think about what he is getting all worked up about. What has him so worried is that an airline "wants" something. United didn't promise they would indiscriminately hire women and people of color. It didn't say they would hire a single one of them. United simply said it wants to train them at their flight school to give them a chance to cut it with the allegedly superior white males. And that worries johnforbes.

United simply set a goal for equity in education opportunity, and that has johnforbes seeing the end of the world. (I wonder who he thinks flies for Emirates, JAL, China, India, or Ethiopian Air?) As a white male himself, johnforbes hates the thought of actually giving someone a chance to prove themselves; opportunity that has historically been denied to women and people of color. He only likes to pretend he is magnanimously for equal opportunity while criticizing those who try to do something about it.

johnforbes is still lost in the intellectual miasma of believing that the way whites have doled out opportunity in the past is the way opportunity should always be doled out; based on your sex, race, family economic privilege, and who you know.

Correcting that injustice by actually giving everyone an opportunity is seen as racist by johnforbes. He doesn't understand that the way things have always been done in the past is what's been racist.

The only unfortunate thing about this United Airlines policy is that it might be a ploy to lower wages for pilots across the board. That should worry johnforbes. United knows they can pay women and people of color less than white males. And white males will actually have some competition for the jobs now so they will be forced to take less as well.

johnny, maybe it's time you white males got behind the unions to insure a fair equitable wage and working conditions instead of merely attacking the other qualified applicants, eh?

[sillydaddy]

Like there's something magical about being white ......."

Clown..until you walk a mile in my shoes....!

[Clownkicker]

silly, I'm sure that for you and johnforbes there is something sparkly and FABULOUS! about being white, but there's nothing magical about it.

And no, I'm not going to sashay a mile in YOUR fruity shoes.

[johnforbes]

That airline was making a racist statement.

Imagine if that statement had read it wanted more white and asian pilots....

[sillydaddy]

Clown..it's just a saying...
Besides my bespoke custom mades will fit only me...!

As for the airlines..I'm surprised no one says anything about the international language of aviation being English.

[Clownkicker]

"That airline was making a racist statement."-johnfibs

No, johnny, what is racist about saying you want at least 50% of your school openings to be filled by applicants from the other 80% of the human race? That sounds reasonable to me.

Why do you believe that 20% of the human race (the white males) should get more than 50% of the opportunities offered?

That sounds both racist AND sexist.


"Imagine if that statement had read it wanted more white [male] and asian pilots...."-johnflubs

Then that would be racist because white males already occupy more than 50% of the openings in U.S. flight schools and that would be saying you want even more women and people of color excluded. (Context matters, dummy.)

Saying they are still willing to allow a 20% minority of humans (white males) to comprise 50% of their students is quite enough privilege to offer to white males, johnny.

[sillydaddy]

The white race has contributed the most if not all, to all aspects of aviation...
why would they not be the ones to dominate in that field? Nothing racist about that...

[johnforbes]

Exactly.

Where is the affirmative action for hetero white guys to play in the NBA.

I loved playing basketball, but was not good enough to be a pro.

Now, however, I demand an affirmative action slot.

[Clownkicker]

"Where is the affirmative action for hetero white guys to play in the NBA.
I loved playing basketball, but was not good enough to be a pro."-johnflubs

You just answered your own question, dummy. YOU WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A PRO.

"Affirmative action" does not mean you give pro ball jobs to unqualified players. And it doesn't mean you give airline pilot jobs to unqualified pilots. Like ALL conservatives, you simply don't understand the meaning of the term "affirmative action". (much as you don't understand the medical term "underlying cause of death")

When it comes to flight school, many women and people of color ARE talented enough and (unlike you) can become good enough to be a pro with proper schooling. They just need the opportunities to prove it. Now they might have those opportunities because of this effort by United Airlines.

What is your problem with giving talented and qualified pilots the chance to get top notch schooling and job opportunities, johnny? The only explanation I can see for your position on this is that you are racist and sexist.

[johnforbes]

But the very essence of affirmative action is allowing people into colleges or jobs where they aren't good enough, but possess the desired genetic accidents of ethnicity/gender.

[Clownkicker]

That is NOT the essence of affirmative action, johnny.

For example, the reason why so many pilots are white males is because white males had their flight school subsidized by the U.S. Government. And unlike women, they got paid to go to flight school in the military. Then they got paid to get flight hours in various aircraft. Especially jets.

Women and people of color were discriminated against for decades in the military. And since women were not allowed to fly jets in the military, (if they were allowed to fly at all) they did not have the subsidized training and flight hours to compete with former military pilots for jobs in the private sector. Many women have fought hard to get the chance to fly jets in the military, but not as many do as would like to. They absolutely ARE good enough for the jobs. They just aren't allowed to do them.

Now, if someone suggested the U.S. government were to subsidize the flight school and flying time for women, clowns like you shit your pants and insist it is unfair that women get the same government support as men have historically received. You still don't want women flying combat missions (why, I don't know) though some are slowly being allowed to now. Regardless of the slow change, you aren't about to give them the same opportunities as white males get.

But in this case it is private industry providing an equal opportunity to women for jet training and you're STILL shitting yourself over it and insisting it is somehow unfair to white males who have had paid training for decades. Well boo fucking hoo. Your double standards and hypocrisy are unforgivable in the 21st century.

[johnforbes]

No, you are wrong.

The essence of affirmative action is giving a job, or admission to a school, to somebody without the qualifications.

And doing so on the basis of race, which is racial discrimination against white and asian males.

More whites get civilian pilot licenses, which give them an advantage in military pilot training.

Minority males play more basketball rather than working, which gives them the advantage in hoops.

[RealJustme]

I can care less about the race or gender of a pilot...unless they were selected based upon their race or gender. I feel sorry for the minority or female pilots who actually competed for their postions, now everyone will wonder.

[johnforbes]

Yes, that is one of the main problems with affirmative action -- that it tends to devalue the legitimate achievements of minorities.

The core problem is that it is wrong and illegal.

[sillydaddy]

"...In South Los Angeles, a fourplex was destroyed by fire. A Nigerian family of six con artists lived on the first floor, and all six died in the fire. A black Islamic group of seven welfare cheaters, all illegally in the country from Kenya, lived on the second floor, and they, too, all perished in the fire. Six Los Angeles gangbanger ex-cons lived on the third floor and they died as well. One white couple lived on the top floor. The couple survived the fire. Jesse Jackson, John Burris, and Al Sharpton were furious. They flew to Los Angeles and met with the fire chief on television. They loudly demanded to know why the Nigerians, Muslims, and gangbangers all died in the fire, and only the white couple survived. The fire chief said, "Please don't get upset. The reason those fellow citizens survived was because they were at work." ~~~

[Clownkicker]

Wait a minute, silly....I thought you were angry about the immigrants because they were taking all the jobs from whites.

So you Trumpers were lying about that all along? You say you just can't help yourself?


MAGGOT! ~~~