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#129790
Predictably, johnfibs was duped by his handlers again.

First of all, as always, he asks for thoughts because he doesn't have a thought in his head, as demonstrated by his blatant inability to discuss the issue at all. His 'post' is a big fat goose egg of nothing.

But let's give johnny a few thoughts anyway, in the form of facts:

"There are three key players here: Steven A. Sund, the U.S. Capitol Police chief; Paul D. Irving, the House sergeant-at-arms, and Michael C. Stenger, the Senate sergeant-at-arms. All three resigned under pressure after the Jan. 6 insurrection.

At issue is what they discussed on Jan. 4, two days before the Capitol riot. Jordan refers to Irving as “her Sergeant at Arms,” but Irving, a former Secret Service supervisor, had been appointed in 2012 by then-House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).

In a Feb. 1 letter to Pelosi, Sund wrote he “approached the two Sergeants at Arms to request the assistance of the National Guard, as I had no authority to do so without an Emergency Declaration by the Capitol Police Board (CPB).” He said he spoke first to Irving, who “stated that he was concerned about the ‘optics’ and didn’t feel that the intelligence supported it.” Irving suggested Sund check in with Stenger, at the time chair of the CPB and get his thoughts. “Instead of approving the use of the National Guard, however, Mr. Stenger suggested I ask them how quickly we could get support if needed and to ‘lean forward’ in case we had to request assistance on January 6,” Sund wrote.

Sund said he then contacted Gen. William Walker, commanding officer of the D.C. National Guard. Walker “advised that he could repurpose 125 National Guard and have them to me fairly quickly, once approved. I asked General Walker to be prepared in the event that we requested them.”

That was the state of play when Jordan tweeted. Note that there is no indication that Pelosi was at all involved. Irving supposedly had made a vague reference to “optics,” but there is no indication what that means. Moreover, Stenger, the Senate sergeant-at-arms, was also reluctant to support an immediate dispatch of National Guard troops. So there is little reason to suggest Irving, acting under Pelosi’s direction, only was responsible. It appeared to have been a joint decision."-Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... rd-troops/


So Trump never "called for National Guard before Jan 6" (johnny made it up) and Pelosi never refused the fictional offer.

It's tragic to be a pliable tool as johnforbesis. He will believe absolutely ANYTHING without ever questioning the partisan propaganda he is fed. Facts? He don't need no steenking facts. After all, why ruin another day of blissful partisan ignorance?
#129797
"But they are the ones the Left wants us to believe.."-sillydummy

This begs the similar question I've asked johnforbes many times but never got an answer to: If you don't believe Irving, a guy appointed by a Republican, who WILL you believe. You won't believe ultra-conservative Republican Bill Barr. You won't believe ultra-conservative Republicans on the Supreme Court appointed by Trump himself. You won't believe Republican Secretaries of State. You won't believe Republican Governors. You won't believe Republican Senators who certified the Electoral College votes. Just who WILL you dimwits believe?

The truly weird thing is that there isn't a Republican official you clowns think should be believed. But you proudly believe the Trump-supporting Qanon shaman and you believe the Trump-supporting White Nationalist militia leaders who planned the insurrection at the Capitol. It's just bizarre.

How do you dimwits support and stay in a party made up of nothing but "spineless weasels" and liars just like yourselves?

If I were as unprincipled as you morons I would adhere to Groucho's remark that he would refuse to join any club that would have someone like him as a member.

"Republicans are spineless hypocrites and liars. I wholeheartedly support that party."-johnforbes and sillydummy
#129802
See? sillydummy couldn't answer that simple question either.

Yah, sillydummy..! Tell me about it..! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

He and johnfibs are wandering lost in a world that can make no rational sense to them. Both are adamant that Republicans are the sole hope for America, yet there isn't one of them that they don't believe is a spineless RINO, and neither will believe a thing their party officials tell them.

There is just one thought they both cling to desperately: "Trump. Trump! TRUMP!! TRUMP!!!" as they whine incomprehensively that "It isn't about politics."

They want a demigod dictator running America with the help of the military running our elections. They hold our courts in contempt. It's truly frightening. They represent the totally irrational base of the Republican Party today.
#129835
A World Health Organization panel is now advising against the use of hydroxychloroquine, the controversial drug promoted heavily by the Trump administration, to treat patients infected with COVID-19.

The international health agency announced Monday that a panel of experts for its guideline development group now "strongly advises" against use of the anti-inflammatory drug, often used to treat and prevent malaria, to prevent the novel coronavirus.

"High certainty evidence" showed that hydroxychloroquine had "no meaningful effect" on deaths or admissions to hospitals, while "moderate certainty evidence" showed that hydroxychloroquine probably increases the risk of adverse effects, according to WHO.
#129838
Interesting, but what is that "evidence"?

1.8 billion people got HCQ early and had a 69 percent lower death rate.

That is an enormous scientific "sample" and the scientiss did consider and exclude confounding factors such as obesity and diabetes.

If Elkin produces no evidence, I'll have to assume he has none and he just wanted a higher death rate.
#130048
That is very interesting, but of course very small too. And it was already known HCQ won't help late.

It is difficult to argue, for anybody just curious about what is true or not, with the 1.8 BILLION sample who got early HCQ and had a 69 percent lower death risk.

Everybody here would want that much lower risk, eh?

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