[RealJustme]

What the hell happened, why did politicians and the media lose interest in COVID dangers. Tons of people in liberal cities are actually walking around without masks all of sudden???

[johnforbes]

For Dems, the key to 2020 was to ruin Trump's strongest point, the economy, by closing it down.

Covid gave them an excuse.

Covid also gave them the excuse for paper ballots so they could drag out the vote counting and cheat.

[Clownkicker]

"For Dems, the key to 2020 was to ruin Trump's strongest point, the economy, by closing it down."-johnfibs

Once again johnforbes resorts to lies to make his pathetic argument. Let's see who shut down the economy according to Donald Trump, shall we? In an interview with Jonathan Swan on August 3rd, here's what he said:

"President Donald J. Trump: (03:46)
And we were beating China at every single point. We were beating them on trade, we were making progress like nobody’s ever made progress. Before the pandemic, they had the worst year, Jonathan, that they’ve had in 67 years. You know that. With the tariffs and everything else I did, we would taking in billions of dollars. I was giving some of it to the farmers. The farmers were doing well because they were targeting the farmers, I was targeting China. We were doing good.

President Donald J. Trump: (04:14)
Then all of a sudden, the game changed, and I had to close it down. I closed down the greatest economy ever in history."<---(He said it, not me, johnny. But you continue to lie about it anyway.)

So stop blaming the current economy on Democrats. When the Democrats WERE responsible for the best economy in 60 years after eight years of Obama, you gave credit to Trump though he did nothing to change the Obama trajectories. In fact, growth in employment and GDP slowed under Trump. But all of a sudden it's not Trump's economy anymore when things go bad.

More typical Republican hypocrisy, even when their own leader claims he's the one who did it. And will joknforbes address his lie and admit to it? Of course not.


"Covid also gave them the excuse for paper ballots so they could drag out the vote counting and cheat."-johnfibs

johnny, neither you nor Trump have any evidence whatsoever that there is anything unusual or illegal going on in the vote counts. In fact, in the states where there is a dispute, the counts are being run by Republicans. The secretary of state in Nevada is Republican. The secretary of state in Georgia is Republican. The secretary of state in Nevada is Republican. The head of elections in Philadelphia is a Republican.

But will this stop johnfibs from blaming the count 'delay' on Democrats? Of course not.

Instead he will accuse them all of being RINOs. It's the only tactic Trump supporters have to discredit members of their own party that they disagree with.

[johnforbes]

No, Fauci and Birx are both Democrats of course.

[Clownkicker]

Fauci and Birx have no power to do jack shit to the economy, johnny. They didn't shut down anything. Trump did. He said so himself.

If you don't believe the word of your own choice for President, why did you vote for him? Is there ANYONE you will believe?

If you won't believe Trump, I would think that at this point you would at least believe me. You have never been able to refute a thing I've ever said.

[elklindo69]

Forbes will find some way to alter reality and blame the democrats for anything that Trump screws up.

Trump has spent a lifetime evicting people of color from his father's apartment buildings and those people of color have come back and evicted Trump from the presidency in a moment of galactic karma. And that is something you can blame the democrats for.

[RealJustme]

I pointed out to a liberal friend that Harrison has stopped social distancing since the election and showed him photos of her shaking hands with a crowd of people. His response was typical liberal, COVID is not as dangerous as it was so he had no problem with what she was doing. Our local news used to start off the nightly news with new COVID numbers and warnings it's out of control, they haven't mention COVID the last 3 nights.

[Clownkicker]

As anyone who watches or reads the news can tell you, now that the Trump is back from two days of golfing and causing division and chaos, the next story on the news is the COVID pandemic..

Of course the Presidential race knocked COVID off the news as the lead story, dummy. But now that Biden has won the election, the editors of the news programs are right back to covering the most dangerous threat to this country and the world.

Deaths in the U.S. are up to 237,000, hospitalizations are going up in 43 states and have reached 50,000 currently, (the worst since June) overtaxing our exhausted health care system.

COVID has become the third leading cause of death in the U.S. behind heart disease and cancer.

And the media are definitely trying to inform your typical ignorant Trump supporters because without getting them to put on their fucking masks, wash their fucking hands, and stay as far away from me as humanly possible, my life and health and everyone else's is at risk.

[elklindo69]

So now we will have a competent administration who will get everybody to wear masks, socially distance and wash their hands. Additionally, the vaccine will be distributed to the public without some hotheaded gasbag bragging or boasting how they got out a world record number of dosages.

What a relief that Jared will not be put in charge of fucking everything up.....

[Clownkicker]

RealTool seems to have the typical Trump supporter's inability to read the current news. Let me help him with this pandemic news item:

"The daily U.S. coronavirus death toll rocketed past 2,000 on Wednesday as weeks of rising infection totals are beginning to translate into fatality numbers not seen since May. In another sign the pandemic is only getting worse, Chicago neared a lockdown.

A fall uptick in cases is now killing Americans almost as quickly as the worst week of the summer surge. After that, deaths will be comparable only to the spring surge, when for more than a week daily deaths averaged over 2,000.

President Donald Trump and others [such as johnforbes] had brushed aside the current jump in daily infections, saying improved treatments have lessened COVID-19's deadly impact. And for awhile the average daily death total was well below 1,000.

That was then, this is now. The sheer number of infections has driven hospitalizations to record levels. And in the last two days alone, more than 3,200 deaths have been reported.

Face mask mandates are gaining momentum among Republican governors in Iowa, Utah and Ohio.

California will soon become the second state to surpass 1 million cases of the coronavirus, which is forcing the state to roll back reopening plans.

A record 143,231 infections were reported Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins data. It was the ninth straight day the count surpassed 100,000. Before that, the U.S. had never reached six figures. For days, nearly every state, or every state, has reported rising case counts. Nearly two-thirds of the states are reporting cases faster than they ever have before.

On Wednesday, seven states reported record death tolls for the latest week. The latest U.S. daily death total of 2,005 puts the seven-day total at 7,956. That's the worst since the summer surge in August – and we're on a path to quickly surpass it."-USA Today


Have you noticed the growing silence from RealTool, johnfibs, and sillydummy?

They're beginning to see that this pandemic is a serious issue, even for Red State Republicans who are now getting sick in great numbers since their foolish behaviors of the past month are showing effects. It's not just close Trump associates getting sick now. Grim reality is finally starting to sink in for all Republicans.

[johnforbes]

More tests = more cases = lower mortality rate and progress toward acquired (herd) immunity.

[Clownkicker]

No, dimwit. More testing this time coincides with a higher infection rate of about 4.5% as opposed to the 1.5% from earlier this year. The infection is spreading at an increasing rate.

More cases = more hospitalizations = higher mortality; more needless deaths because you are too fucking stupid and arrogant to support a rational response to the pandemic; all because you find it too inconvenient to put on a mask and keep your distance.

In addition, there is no certainty that there will ever be herd immunity to COVID-19. That's just another of your ignorant assumptions about this pandemic. It looks like COVID-19 could be a chronic danger to our species, vaccine or no vaccine, the way colds are. We have no herd immunity to colds, only COVID-19 is much more deadly than a cold.

Wake up and stop your insane support for Trump's reckless and stupid policies that are killing people needlessly.

[elklindo69]

There have been 10.9 million infections and 245K deaths. This equals a 2.2% death rate.

The US population is 331 million. Herd immunity will be reached at 70%, about 231 million.

Now according to Forbes...attaining herd immunity by allowing COVID-19 rampage through the U.S. population unstopped would be sheer lunacy.

231 million x 0.022 = 5.1 million deaths

[Clownkicker]

Well, RealTool hasn't seen anything on the news about COVID lately.

Here's the tragedy of being a Trump supporter, in a nutshell---denial of reality.


"A South Dakota ER nurse @JodiDoering says her Covid-19 patients often "don't want to believe that Covid is real."

"Their last dying words are, 'This can't be happening. It's not real.' And when they should be... Facetiming their families, they're filled with anger and hatred." [That's the life of a Trump supporter--nonstop hatred.]

""They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that 'stuff' because they don't have COVID because it's not real," she tweeted on Saturday."

"People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia," Doering said. "We've even had people say, 'You know, I think it might be lung cancer.' ... Even after positive results come back, some people just don't believe it."--The Hill

This reflects the attitude of johnforbes and Trump--terminal denial. They WANT reality to be this or that, so they think they have a rational strategy to fight the pandemic. They "wish" for COVID to not be spread recklessly by Trumpers. They "want" COVID to disappear "miraculously". But it didn't, much to their befuddlement.

You can't fix stupid. But with their Trumper "herd mentality" they could all be dead soon, so there won't be anything left to fix, I guess.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

[johnforbes]

Nobody really knows about herd immunity.

I've been surprised to hear some WHO experts say it could be attained at 40 percent.

But the vanity of humans is astounding.

Through the pandemic, grocery stores and pot shops and crucial services were open and operating, and the virus surely has washed over the country regardless of silly stuff like lockdown attempts.

By the way, Fauci and Cuomo and Whitmer and Newsom -- all these leftists have violatd their own mask mandates.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, the 'lockdowns' are to keep the health care system from collapsing, dummy.

Once again we need to do something to "flatten the curve" because we haven't even got signs of a curve to flatten yet. The trend line is going up exponentially right now. (And that's bad, just in case you are too dimwitted to understand the complex medical jargon of phrases like "flatten the curve" and "exponentially")

Front line healthcare workers are exhausted, still running low on PPE, some are just plain quitting, and ICU beds are running out. But you're still here advocating for letting another three or four hundred thousand people die simply for your self-absorbed convenience.

What the red states are finally beginning to understand is that even if they don't "believe" in COVID because they are living in denial, that won't help them get an ICU bed or a nurse when they need them. Even Republican governors are finally beginning to understand they need to require masks on everyone or their states are going to need far more than just a lockdown to contend with all the corpses piling up in refrigerated mobile morgues lined up in the parking lots outside the hospitals.

[RealJustme]

johnny, the 'lockdowns' are to keep the health care system from collapsing, dummy.

You guys have worn that scare tactic out, no one is buying it anymore. It cost tax payers 100's of millions to build temporary hospitals and bring in hospital ships...none of them were used, in fact some hospitals had to lay off nurses and doctors because they had cancelled elective surgeries and had no work for them.

[quoteST. LOUIS — Washington University’s medical school, said Monday it planned to furlough 1,300 medical workers next week for up to 90 days due to the COVID crisis.

In a letter to employees, university leaders said that the crisis has cut off sources of revenue, largely at the medical campus, which has shut down or scaled back almost all services except critical care for COVID-19 patients. The academic hospitals, the letter continued, have “hundreds of empty beds.”

“Even for an institution like ours, with a strong financial foundation, this crisis is taking a huge toll,” the letter said.

The school’s clinics are seeing 60% fewer patients, it said, and the medical school is projecting a revenue loss of $150 million through the end of the fiscal year.

The numbers mirror others in the health care industry. The Missouri Hospital Association recently estimated that hospitals are losing between 60% and 70% of outpatient business, and about 60% of inpatient beds remain empty. [/quote]

[Clownkicker]

'This can't be happening. It's not real.' -RealTool

Dimwit, the hospitals are going broke because they can't let anyone in for elective procedures. And then they will shut down, just as many small ones have already.

That means when YOU need care out in the red state boondocks, you won't be able to get it, unless you can drive 300 miles to the closest liberal city.

But by then you will be just another case of terminal Trumpism denial adding to the Trump death statistics.

[johnforbes]

The first month of lockdowns was indeed to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.

That never happened, there was no shortage of ventilators, and lockdowns for the rest of the year were all about power-drunk leftists loving their control.

Trudeau and other nuts have said covid is an "opportunity" for a global reset toward socialism.

[Clownkicker]

"The first month of lockdowns was indeed to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
That never happened,..."-johnflubs

It's happening NOW, dummy. One Montana hospital is running at 144% of ICU capacity right now.

In North Dakota (I think) one hospital with 24 ICU beds has 44 ICU patients.

Some small hospitals in rural areas have closed their doors, perhaps permanently, because they can't afford to stay open. (Ah, the "private sector" healthcare system. If it isn't making millions, you close it. Fuck healthcare for patients.)

Healthcare workers are exhausted, quitting, or dying right now.

And this thing has just started to get bad.....all around the world. But you shrug it off as a Democrat power grab, proving you don't have the foggiest idea what we are facing. You can't discuss anything without a ridiculous partisan bias.

Believe it or not, Democrats do not run the entire world. Your paranoid delusions are going to kill people. You're a danger to yourself and others.

[RealJustme]

It's happening NOW, dummy. One Montana hospital is running at 144% of ICU capacity right now.

LOL, the only example you can give is Montana hospital that has 3 ICU beds?

Fact is hospitals are laying medical people off because most of their beds are empty because of the stupid requirement they keep them empty "just in case they need them for COVID" which never happened. Hospitals love COVID patients because they get paid extra to treat them and the bills are guaranteed to be paid by the government, even if the person is illegal. The problem is there aren't enough COVID patients.

[Clownkicker]

Tool, your posting an article describing how a medical school is running out of revenues and getting rid of staff because of COVID does not help your thesis that COVID is not a threat to our healthcare system, dimwit.

Exactly where do you think doctors and nurses come from to staff our healthcare system, dummy, not to mention that their clinic is no longer financially viable because of the pandemic, which will negatively effect their training of new medical workers.

[johnforbes]

CDC admitted that 94 percent of the total deaths ascribed to covid were due to an average of 2.6 other comorbid conditions.

It is dishonest to say America had over 200k covid deaths.

[Clownkicker]

There have been over 250,000 cases of excess morbidity this year and the only significant variant is COVID.

It is dishonest to say that America HASN'T "had over 200,000 covid deaths."

Just how do you account for the excess morbidity, johnny? Or do you simply live in denial about it? <---(again, rhetorical question)

[johnforbes]

About 2.6 million die in America every year.

Kidding about politics aside, it will be fascinating to learn if the figure is significantly up for 2020.

[Clownkicker]

Read it and weep, johnny.

"What is added by this report?

Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... mm6942e2_w

Stop with your chronic partisan dishonesty.

[johnforbes]

Those are "estimates" and estimates are different from facts.

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying the figures may be off by 10%? Or 20%? They are likely low ball figures? That's so much better.

The point is, there will never be "facts" about COVID deaths by your definition. That information will never be gathered precisely because it cannot be precise. So you use that scientific uncertainty to ignore the truth and shrug off the magnitude of this pandemic and justify your lack of consideration and compassion for your fellow American.

And you denying those estimates by the CDC helps America HOW? Those estimates are closer to the truth than no estimates at all, dimwit, and you know it.

Stop with your chronic partisan dishonesty.

[divermouse]

it's how he gets paid in h his cubical. that, and some fresh molasses oats.

[johnforbes]

Estimates are estimates.

As G Stein said, a rose is a rose is a rose.

I don't have a cubicle, if that is what the spelling error supra intended.

[elklindo69]

When you see Trump waddling around with a big pot belly you don't need a scale to tell you he's fat, obese and overweight.

And with the millions of infections and the more than 250,000 deaths from COVID-19 the margin of error in the exact computation are inconsequential when you evaluate how Trump's COVID-19 response was an absolute disaster.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, "estimates are estimates" is what mush-brained armchair warriors say to avoid making difficult decisions.

In the real world we must make rational decisions that affect real people's health based on the best information we have. The CDC estimates are the best information we have, and they are conservative, not overblown, and based only on facts.

We are facing a real pandemic. Real decisions must be made. Your shrugging off the best information we have is not an excuse for Trump ignoring the pandemic for the past five months, not attending a single meeting of the task force in all that time. And it isn't an excuse for you to dismiss the work of specialists in the field.

Dismissing the best information we have leaves partisan tools like you with nothing to base your opinions on besides your famous wishful thinking and hope for a miracle. That's why your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

The virus doesn't care what you "want" or "wish" for. Save that for your silly Sunday morning groveling sessions.

You're an ignorant partisan tool. Trump is a self-absorbed sociopath. Pandemic specialists are scientifically trained people who make rational decisions to save your sorry ass based on the best information we have. I'll stick with them. You and Trump can go fuck yourselves.

[johnforbes]

Let's help Clown sort out the concept.

An estimate is not real.

Or not yet real.

It is an estimate.

[Clownkicker]

When johnforbes is given an estimate for repairing his car, it isn't real to him. Never mind that it is the evaluation of a knowledgeable expert in the field who is urging johnforbes to do the repairs.

johnny ignores the estimate and refuses to repair the car because the estimate is not real. He know that NOBODY knows how much it will actually cost to repair his car. And that's a fact.

True, it's the best information johnny has to decide whether and what to do about fixing his car, but unfortunately johnforbes simply derides the repairman and then leaves without doing anything about the safety of his car. it's not real, after all.

Why would anyone decide to fix his car based on an estimate from an expert? Never mind that he has already killed several people because the steering didn't work and the brakes failed. When he has killed three or four times as many people, he will reconsider doing the repairs his mechanic recommended.

Unfortunately, johnny will then get another estimate at that time, so he will still do nothing about his car, repeat his shrug and smug derision, and go out and kill more people.

If he lives long enough, johnny will read the history of his reckless killing spree and gather the facts of EXACTLY how many people he killed. Once it's over it will finally be real to johnforbes. Then he will pretend he did the rational thing in waiting for the precise facts before taking any steps to mitigate the damage he caused.

[Clownkicker]

"The problem is there aren't enough COVID patients."-RealTool

Our Trump-supporting dimwit analyzed the problem and produced a Trumpian solution.

By refusing for months to wear masks and keep distance, Trump supporters, via regular superspreader events, have now produced a record number of COVID hospitalizations in an effort to keep hospital beds filled and thus keep hospitals financed with allegedly lucrative COVID patients during this fiscal emergency in order to prevent hospital shutdowns and failures caused by COVID.

But I guess there aren't quite enough COVID patients yet because Trump supporters are still producing even greater numbers each week in order to (apparently) address what they see as a fiscal problem.


In a small Washington State town that supports Trump, they held a wedding on November 7th with 300 guests thumbing their noses at the rules set out by the Democrat governor that limited gatherings to 30 people and managed to produce over 40 COVID patients with that one event. Then contact tracing showed those people spread the disease to local schools and nursing homes. Yay! Go smug Republicans! Keep supporting your local hospitals by providing more patients in this time of financial need!

[johnforbes]

Clown, have you ever pondered whether covid is aware of the earnest efforts of mankind to contain it?

Hasn't it almost surely washed over the country for a year now, spreading inexorably from grocery stories and liquor stores and the 100 million essential workers we had?

[Clownkicker]

"Clown, have you ever pondered whether covid is aware of the earnest efforts of mankind to contain it?"-dimwittedfuckingidiot

Now that's the stupidest non sequitur you have ever posted here. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you exceed my lowest expectations.

Viruses don't care about us, dummy, and nothing I have ever posted relied upon the idiotic premise that they do. That's why we have public health restrictions to get morons like you and Trump to consider your fellow American by following health protocols for the greater good and not simply acting like assholes. Granted, it doesn't work because you and your ilk will always be assholes first and Americans second. You think it is your Constitutional right to be an asshole and you are damn well going to exercise that right. No bleeding heart liberal is ever going to get you to give a fuck about the welfare of others.


If COVID had already "washed over" America we wouldn't have had a 1.5% positive test results early on and a 5% or more positive test rate now, would we. Hospitalizations and deaths are skyrocketing. And it shows no sign of slowing yet.

You pretend the worst is behind us already. It's not. You'll see what a arrogant Republican anti-science attitude about a pandemic gets us when things get really bad in the next few months.

It's like you still know nothing about the 1918-1919 flu pandemic and the trajectory it followed. This was all predictable, and it WAS predicted, and you clowns scoffed and have been in denial for the past year despite the "history" you pretend to believe is so important for us to understand. You blew off history and continued with your superspreader events and refused to wear masks and keep distance. Our knowledge of history and science could have prevented this, but you and other Trump supporters smugly ignored it and continue to ignore it.

The second wave is what did the real damage back then, just as our second wave is what will wreak havoc until the vaccines finally start to get it under control. We've already gone from a thousand deaths a day to 2000 deaths a day in a few weeks.

675,000 Americans died from the Spanish flu over two years. We are going to be half way there after one year; dying at the same rate. If the same number don't die this time it's only because we have developed vaccines they couldn't produce a hundred years ago.

[johnforbes]

Thank you for your generous praise of my earlier posting.

To the point, every random study of asymptomatic people has revealed far, far wider spread of covid than anticipated.

Dr Ioannidis found up to 85 times more, and it seems both reasonable and scientific to suppose that trend is wider than any sampling done thus far.

The virus does not know or respect any little effort humans might make with masks or gloves or Thanksgiving dinners.

[Clownkicker]

"The virus does not know or respect any little effort humans might make with masks or gloves or Thanksgiving dinners."-johnfuckingmoron

Of course the virus doesn't "know or respect any little effort humans might make with masks or gloves or Thanksgiving dinners." It doesn't need to "know" anything to be stopped, dimwit. If a virus can't spread from one host to another because the means of spread is impeded, then the virus will be stopped. That's a fact of nature that hasn't changed in millions of years.

You're deluding yourself that wearing masks, washing your hands, and keeping sufficient distance doesn't stop virus transfer when science tells us it clearly does.

You continue to live in your Republican world of wishful thinking and desperate hope for a miracle. But the virus doesn't know or respect your childish delusions. It will do what it does unless you make some effort to stop it. You are too stupid and lazy to be bothered to do anything to stop it, so it won't be stopped until you and your anti-science ilk are all dead from it.

johnforbes prefers the Swedish model of fighting viruses, refusing to close schools and have stay at home orders. The result is that Sweden now has four times the number of deaths than all of its neighbors combined. This shows that efforts to mitigate the spread of COVID did in fact save lives, just as taking steps to avoid spread at Thanksgiving would save lives.

But this demonstrates how little johnforbes actually values his relatives. He has so little respect for them that he can't be bothered to take steps to protect them and is going to knowingly and intentionally put their lives at risk on Thursday just so he can eat a free dinner.

Trump supporters are simply despicable.

[johnforbes]

No, it doesn't.

What it shows is that a broad cost-benefit analysis must include the cost of lockdowns.

Poverty is a deadly disease, and the WHO says covid lockdowns have doubled global poverty.

Dems used to care about poor people, but not these days.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, wearing masks, keeping distance, and washing your hands (which is what I have been repeatedly telling you to do and you have been partisanly pooh-poohing) does not create poverty, you imbecile. Not having Thanksgiving dinner together does not create poverty. And if a million parents die of COVID, I guarantee you that it will create poverty and homelessness for the millions of surviving children because Republicans certainly aren't going to vote for any welfare to take care of them. COVID is already making thousands homeless and Republicans are stubbornly refusing to pass (or even consider) a relief package for the past few months.

Repubs have never cared about poor people, and they still don't.


Let me preface this next by reminding everyone that johnforbes wants us to believe that his IQ is in the range of 180.

"To the point, every random study of asymptomatic people has revealed far, far wider spread of covid than anticipated.
Dr Ioannidis found up to 85 times more, and it seems both reasonable and scientific to suppose that trend is wider than any sampling done thus far."-johnfoibles

johnforbes scoffs at the estimates of the CDC, but let's look at the estimates he finds easy to believe:

The only expert johnforbes finds believable is Dr. Ioannidis. He is the only expert johnforbes ever cites to contradict the thousands of experts around the world who disagree with johnny's assumptions about COVID. This is probably because johnny can't find any other experts who support his chosen partisan world view.

There have been over 12 million confirmed cases of COVID in the U.S.. This is a fact. johnforbes now expects us to consider that possibly there have been 85 times that number of actual cases, most of which went unrecognized because of asymptomatic transmission.

Let's do the grade school math, shall we? 12 million cases times the "85 times" number jonforbes just gave us would mean there have been up to 1,020,000,000 cases of COVID in the U.S. to this point. 1.02 BILLION cases in a population of 331 million.

So johnforbes finds it believable that everyone in the U.S. has had COVID more than three time, on average, which means he believes some people have had COVID four or five times this past year because some people have not contracted it at all.

But I'm sure johnforbes doesn't actually mean we should seriously believe there could be 85 times the number of cases officially diagnosed. He probably means it's much more likely that there have been 30 times the number of official cases, which would mean there have actually been 360 million cases in the U.S.. In other words, johnfornbes believes that every man, woman, and child in the U.S. has already contracted COVID and some have had recurrences, or else he believes that many people have had multiple recurrences of the virus--which would mean there is no immunity to COVID after the first infection.

But johnforbes (who scoffs at the CDC numbers and ridicules the thought of making public health policy based on them) finds this scenario believable, the same way he finds it believable that multiple states with Republican governors, Republican-run legislatures, and Republican Secretaries of State have conspired to cover up massive vote fraud in their states in order to elect Biden and oust Trump.

After exhibiting this sort of stupidity and gullibility, johnforbes expects us to believe he has an IQ of 180.

[johnforbes]

No, my IQ is not 180.

Let me put those rumors to rest on this rainy morning.

Besides, my understanding is that IQ levels change with time.

After exchanging quips with Clownslacker, the IQ of any person on the Interwebs will naturally decline by 15 points.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, we already know your IQ isn't anywhere near 180, yet you continue to say you could spot everyone here 50 IQ points and you would still be more intelligent.

It's just one more example of how stupid you actually are, johnny.


Now you also finally realize how stupid your reliance on Ioannidis is as your justification for doing nothing about the COVID pandemic. Sure, I had to do the math for you, but you finally got it with some help with your basic arithmetic. You're welcome, as always.

You also now understand how gullible you are believing Republican governors, Republican-run legislatures, and Republican secretaries of state have conspired to cover up massive vote fraud in their states in order to give the election to Biden.

And you are finally beginning to see that this was the most secure election we have ever had and that Biden won. Trump's own cybersecurity expert said so, so Trump fired him.

I think I must have raised your IQ by al least ten points because you finally shut up about your Ioannidis silliness and all the rest of your naive propaganda. True, you had to be bitch slapped to get it through your dense skull, but you no longer believe that "85 times more" baloney or the Republican conspiracy hogwash.

Still, you just ain't too bright, johnny, or you wouldn't have believed it in the first place.

[RealJustme]

Clown - Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19.

What are excess deaths? Watch how you answer Clown, I'm setting a trap and you'll step right into it.

[Clownkicker]

Well, RealTool stepped in it again because of his gross ignorance.

First of all, you attributed that quotation to me when it wasn't me that said it, dimwit. If you had even a high school education you would know that given the quotation marks around it and the link attached to it immediately after.

Secondly, if you want to know the meaning of a term someone used, ask the person who said it, dumbfuck, not me. Or better yet, open a dictionary for once in your life and learn something for a change, you illiterate turd.

Thirdly, your inability to cogently address your own idiotic partisan thread topic about what ignorant Trump followers call "Covid porn" because you are living in denial just makes you look like an even bigger buffoon than you already appeared.

Okay, go ahead and spring your childish trap, dummy.

[johnforbes]

I have opened a dictionary and looked up "Clowntoker."

The meaning is a clown who tokes.

[Clownkicker]

At least I got johnforbes to finally crack a dictionary, even if our incorrigible RealTool doesn't know what one is.

[johnforbes]

Thank you for your kind recommendation.

In fact, I looked up the description "Partisan Hack" and it had an 8 x 12 glossy of senile Joe.

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes thinks a "partisan hack" is a taxi that only goes to Trump rallies.

[johnforbes]

Good one!