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#125550
Here is a sample of what Obama's undergrad writing was like.

This is from his paper "Aristocracy Reborn" at Columbia:

"I see poverty in every place I walk. In Los Angeles and New York, the poor reach to me with bleary eyes and all I can do is sigh."

This is writing so bad it would earn a "C" in high school, but for Barry it propelled him to Harvard Law.
#125556
johnny, you've been duped again by your handlers. That alleged paper you fell for is a phony.


"In October 2009, a purported excerpt from Barack Obama’s “missing” Columbia thesis began circulating widely on the Internet, one which claimed the paper stated that the Constitution drafted by American’s founding fathers “did not allow for economic freedom” and failed to mention “the distribution of wealth” (a play on the common campaign charge that a redistribution of wealth was one of Barack Obama’s political goals).

Had someone finally turned up Barack Obama’s elusive senior paper? The Pajamas Media web site reported on 21 October 2009 that writer/reporter Joe Klein had been permitted to read the first ten pages of it and had revealed that the paper (supposedly entitled “Aristocracy Reborn”) included the excerpt reproduced above.

However, that claim seemed dubious, as a paper on “Aristocracy Reborn,” with musings about the Founding Fathers’ supposed lack of interest in “economic freedom” and “the distribution of wealth,” would have been rather unusual content to find in a senior paper on the topic of Soviet nuclear disarmament, written for a seminar on American foreign policy. In fact, the putative excerpt was fictitious, something lifted from a bit of satire published on the Jumping in Pools blog back on 25 August 2009. :

[The satire article]
Obama was required to write a ‘senior seminar’ paper in order to graduate from Columbia. The subject of this paper, which totaled 44 pages, was American government. Entitled Aristocracy Reborn, this paper chronicled the long struggle of the working class against, as Obama put it, “plutocratic thugs with one hand on the money and the other on the government.”

In the paper, in which only the first ten pages were given to the general media, Obama decries the plight of the poor: “I see poverty in every place I walk. In Los Angeles and New York, the poor reach to me with bleary eyes and all I can do is sigh.”

In part, the future President blames this on the current economic system: “There are many who will defend the ‘free market.’ But who will defend the single mother of four working three jobs. When a system is allowed to be free at the expense of its citizens, then it is tyranny.”

However, the President also singled out the American Constitution: “… the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.”

Pajamas Media issued a notice a few days after its original report acknowledging that the information about Barack Obama’s Columbia thesis was a hoax. Joe Klein also affirmed that he had never seen the paper in question."

You fell for your handlers' unbelievable propaganda again, johnny. Why are you always so unquestioningly gullible?
#125561
I'm aware of all that, but the truth is that nobody knows for sure.

They even tried at first to hide Manchelle's senior thesis because it was, naturally, about race and so poorly written.

Even if we look over the dismal panoply of Clowntoker's own posts, they are better.
#125565
"I'm aware of all that, but the truth is that nobody knows for sure."-johnfibs

So, you knew it was very unlikely to be true, and most likely a hoax, but you spread the untruth as though it were true.

You didn't say it may not be Obama's. You said it WAS Obama's.

That makes you just another lying partisan scumbag to be ignored.

That's why I usually ignore you, johnny. Only dimwitted Trump supporters believe the unsupported stupid shit you post. But that's your aim, so you are about as "successful" as Trump is.

Congratulations, you are officially as vile as Trump.
#125568
No, it simply isn't known, and why?

Because Barry kept secret all his background.

Why wouldn't both of them want to reveal the glorious nature of their student scholarship?

That would allow all the lesser mortals in the world to gaze up -- in wonder and astonishment -- at their mighty minds.

Instead -- inexplicably -- they have kept hidden these gems of scholarship.

Why?
#125570
"No, it simply isn't known,..."-johnfibs

And yet you still posted it as fact, despite claiming you knew it wasn't.

The hoax was debunked by those who published it as a satire piece and you claim you were "aware of all that" and posted it as fact anyway.

Why?

Once again, please go fuck yourself.
#125571
But it was not debunked.

Reason being there was no real example of their academic work to debunk it in comparison to.

This is the same sort of thing Democrats said about the fake dossier used to wiretap Trump -- that it was out there, being discussed, and could be correct.

Because there are no examples of Barry's "scholarship," this may well be true.
#125574
Johnnie.....

Trump went so far to threaten to sue any of the universities who released his transcripts. So the guy who claims he's a"stable genius" is not releasing his grades. I can sure bet that if Trump was actually as smart as he claims he is.....then those fucking transcripts sure as hell would have been released by now.
#125575
"But it was not debunked."-johnfibs

The guys who made it up admitted they made it up for their satire blog. Of course it was debunked.

Add to that "However, that claim seemed dubious, as a paper on “Aristocracy Reborn,” with musings about the Founding Fathers’ supposed lack of interest in “economic freedom” and “the distribution of wealth,” would have been rather unusual content to find in a senior paper on the topic of Soviet nuclear disarmament, written for a seminar on American foreign policy. "

The hoax isn't believable even WITHOUT the admission of those who wrote it.

You'll swallow ANYTHING, as long as it makes those you dislike look bad, just as you'll swallow anything as long as it makes Trump look good. Never mind that you don't care at all about demanding Trump's SAT scores or Trump's academic writings. He will sue you if you demand to see them. Just as he will sue you to keep his tax returns hidden, unlike every president for the past 60 years. Clearly Trump is a man with nothing to hide.

But johnforbes, while condemning Obama, has no curiosity at all about what Trump is hiding. Can you say "partisan hypocrite?"

I knew you could.
#125577
No, you are not understanding the point.

The corpus of his undergrad and professional school work is almost entirely hidden.

Thus, it is impossible to know.

What we do know is that, by the info recorded by Harvard itself, that election and affirmative action were the only ways Barry got onto law review.

They knew, and he knew, that it would be seen by the clueless general public as a sign that he had remarkable scholarly ability in the law.

He didn't.

There are no published law review articles or reviews from him, and the little bits of his writing available are ludicrous.

Little wonder that terrorist Bill Ayers ghostwrote one of his books, per Michelle.
#125581
"No, you are not understanding the point."-johnfibs

I understood the point perfectly: you knowingly passed off something you knew to be a hoax as fact.

After that there is nothing you can say to make your dishonesty reasonable somehow.


"The corpus of his undergrad and professional school work is almost entirely hidden."-johnflubs

You mean just like Trump's, but you have no problem with Trump keeping his SAT scores and grades secret, but pretend Obama is hiding something when he keeps his private. Believe me, I got that, johnny.

"Thus, it is impossible to know."-johnflubs

Yes, just like it is with Trump. What's your point? That it's fine for Trump but not for Obama. What a hypocritical tool.


"What we do know is that, by the info recorded by Harvard itself, that election and affirmative action were the only ways Barry got onto law review."-johnfoibles

Great, good for them.

Who gives a flying fuck how he got there, dimwit. He graduated from Harvard Law magna cum laude and went on to become a Senator and a President. Plainly he was qualified to go to Harvard Law. If he couldn't get in without affirmative action it only proves that affirmative action is still sorely needed to equalize opportunity for all.


"Little wonder that terrorist Bill Ayers ghostwrote one of his books, per Michelle."-johnflubs

And Trump couldn't write a single page of his own books. He had a ghostwriter do them as well. What's your point.
That it shows incompetence in Obama's case and some sort of genius on Trump's part? You hypocritical dumbfuck.

Until you start criticizing Trump for the same things you criticize Obama for, you are just an utter waste of human flesh.
Please go fuck yourself.
#125582
Clown, you passed off the hoax of the fake dossier and the Mueller probe for two years.

As to Barry, nobody knows whether he was ever capable of doing quality work.

I challenge you to produce a scholarly article from him.
#125583
johnny, there is no evidence that the real Steele dossier is a fake because it is quite real. You read it yourself. It exists. Steele said he wrote it, unlike your hoax that was debunked by the guy who wrote it.

As to Donald, nobody knows whether he was ever capable of doing quality work.

I challenge you to produce a scholarly article from him.
For that matter, forget an article. You can't even prove that he graduated at the top of his class as he claimed.
#125584
Long ago, I read it and any 8th grader would laugh at it.

The notion that savvy agents and layers thought it had any real element, well, that was ludicrous.

No FISA judge could have ever taken it seriously either, and why was no FISA hearing ever held on the 4 applications for wiretap warrants?

Everybody, including Barry, knew all about this.

Strzok and Page said "POTUS wants to know everything we are doing"...
#125586
johhny, stop trying to divert from you dishonesty.

You knew the quotation you attributed to Obama was a hoax written by someone else and still presented it here as fact.

The Steele dossier was written by Steele. I never pretended it was written by anyone else.

The veracity of the contents of the dossier have not been refuted by anyone. If the Republican political machine couldn't prove anything in it to be untrue, then it is likely mostly true. Steele worked just as he had for years for government intelligence organizations. Such intel always has a degree of certainty attached and it's rarely 100%. But it is still not ignored by those organizations until there is reason to ignore it.

Beyond that, the Steele Dossier wasn't even in existence for the first two FISA warrants issued and so obviously it was not critical to getting the warrants, even if it was 100% false. But you claiming it is largely false (or "ludicrous") is simply ludicrous. If it were, then at least a few thing in the dossier would have been proven false. But they weren't, and you simply can't get that reality to mesh with your partisan world view.

So stop trying to make people forget that you are a typical partisan purveyor of ludicrous hoaxes. You are no better than RealTool or Breitbart. And stop trying to make people forget that you regularly criticize Obama for doing things that Trump also does but you ignore them when Trump does them. You can't make anyone forget that you are just a partisan hypocrite.
#125590
No, the Steele dossier was not written by him.

He cobbled it together based on Russian disinformation.

Even he admitted it couldn't be verified (translation: pack of lies).

Everybody above the 8th grade level looked at the "dossier" and laughed at its absurdity, but crooked agents used it to lie to the FISA court (including a judge recently appointed by Obama who may have been easy to lie to on that) and wiretap the Trump campaign.

It is the most enormous example of public corruption in American history, and at its center was Obama and Biden.

Strzok and Page text: "POTUS wants to know everything we are doing."
#125595
From what I remember it was Ratcliffe who claimed that the Russia investigation was started by what he claimed was "fake dossier."

When in reality according to the House Republicans intelligence memo it was the activities of the Trump's campaign foreign policy adviser that actually started FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into the Russian interference in the election.

I can't recall who it was? Flynn, Page or Papadopoulos?

So many of them had admitted they had contacts with Russian officials and middle men. I'm thinking the Russians had marked Page as a target for recruitment.

Additionally Flynn had lied to Pence and the FBI about his Russia connections then pleaded guilty. Then after that Trump tried to get Comey to "let Flynn go" and when Comey said no, then Trump fired Comey. And after all of that, as per one of Trump's tweets, he seemed to have known that Flynn had lied to the FBI when he discussed Flynn with Comey. This is pretty much obstruction of justice.

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