[johnforbes]

Despite being made into a martyr by the media and the protesters, George Floyd was a convicted felon. While he lived in Houston, he went to prison for four years for robbery with a deadly weapon. He he also had a previous arrest for robbery in 1998 and drug possession a few years later. Apparently, he went to Minneapolis to start a new life after he got out of prison in 2013.

But are we supposed to believe that he was an innocent man who was randomly brutalized by the police? A 911 call came from a store, in which the caller said that Floyd was passing "bad bills" took cigarettes, and was obviously drunk.

Now go to the 6:00 mark of the TMZ video.

As the original two officers walk Floyd across the street to the police car, Floyd resists as the try to put him in the car. He then falls/gets down on the ground so they cannot get him in. They try again to pick him up.

This is when Chauvin's car pulls up and the video ends. The body cam footage of the police will tell the real story, but Floyd was resisting arrest after committing a crime and being drunk in public.

Floyd was not an innocent victim here, but allegedly committed another criminal act and did not want to go back to jail again. And despite the public outcry against Chauvin, the knee on the neck is an approved method of keeping a suspect subdued according to the Minneapolis police. Floyd is not the angel, and Chauvin is not the devil.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, no one ever said Floyd was an "innocent victim." You're making it up.

They said he was a "victim" and he is.

No matter how hard you try to convince us, NOBODY (not even you) deserves to die for trying to pass a phony $20 bill or for being drunk in public or for falling down on the ground. I saw no "resisting arrest" in the video. You are simply choosing to interpret what you saw a "resisting". I saw an unstable, possibly drunk guy stumbling as he was walked toward the police car and then collapsed on the sidewalk. There were no aggressive moves either toward or away from the officers in that video.

You are continuing to try to excuse gross misconduct on the part of police because someone has a previous record. Even previously convicted criminals do not deserve to die just because they are being arrested again. Someone who looks physically impaired (possibly drunk) and collapses on the sidewalk, is not a threat to a cop. It isn't "resisting arrest" either.


"Floyd was not an innocent victim here,..."-johnfibs

Again, "innocence" is not a requirement for someone's right to life, is it, johnny. NO ONE deserves to die simply because they are under arrest, regardless of what they are arrested for, even if they are guilty of a crime. Nevertheless, Floyd absolutely WAS an innocent victim in the sense that he was innocent of committing any any capitol crime. Not even a judge or jury (certainly no cop) was justified to take Floyd's life from him for what he did. It was not Floyd's fault that he was killed. And someone lying dead for nearly three minutes should be enough time for a cop to stop feeling 'threatened' by the corpse, remove his knee from the body's neck, and to call an ambulance.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, it's a typo.

[johnforbes]

Who said Floyd deserved to die for passing fake money around?

Nobody.

But has the media been curious about who Floyd is and how this mess started?

No.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, it didn't start because Floyd had a previous record. That he had a record is irrelevant to the reason for protests.

I can't impress upon you enough--EDUCATE YOURSELF about what it means to simply be born black in America. You have some silly idyllic image of this country that has nothing to do with what we really are.

And realize that your unconcerned negligence caused by your oblivious state of white privilege are directly responsible for whats going on now.


Here's some very accessible, non-threatening, true life introduction to your education: (after the commercials, of course)
https://www.nbc.com/late-night-with-set ... he/4176804 (Time stamp :12 to4:42)
https://www.nbc.com/late-night-with-set ... es/4176805 (Time stamp :24 to 5:00)
https://www.nbc.com/late-night-with-set ... aw/4176806 (Time stamp :18 to 4:26 and time stamp 9:12 to 14:26)

[johnforbes]

Apparently the whole thing began when Floyd got drunk and was passing out fake money outside a convenience store.

Then, if the facts bear this out, he may have resisted arrest by the first 2 cops on the scene.

He apparently served 4 years for robbery, so perhaps he always have a truculent demeanor re authority?

We shall see, but I do want to ascertain the facts.

Those on the Left don't want to know the facts.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, lots of people are stupid drunks. That someone was stupid when a cop killed them without cause shouldn't make you feel better about it, as you are trying to do to salve your conscience.

The problem is, if you are a black stupid drunk, you are 2 1/2 times more likely to die by cop than if you are a white stupid drunk. That's what people are protesting. It's not just about Floyd and Chauvin. They aren't protesting "the stick that broke the back." They're protesting that their back has been broken at all.

You really have to get to the point where you can see past all the distractions of 'criminal record' and 'drunk' and all the rest of your diversions you use to avoid seeing the point. The links I posted for your edification apply to perfectly normal, law abiding, hard working people....who happen to be black. And you and I never have to deal with that shit the way they do every day.

[johnforbes]

Are you certain statistics give the Left's argument comfort?

Blacks are 13 percent of America, so young black males thus represent about 4 percent of the country, but they commit 60 percent of the robbery and 53 percent of the murder.

If you are a cop, you are 18 times more likely to be killed by a young black male than any other suspect.

[elklindo69]

Johnnie....what point are you attempting to make by regurgitating far right wing white supremacist tropes?

[Clownkicker]

"Blacks are 13 percent of America, so young black males thus represent about 4 percent of the country, but they commit 60 percent of the robbery and 53 percent of the murder.
If you are a cop, you are 18 times more likely to be killed by a young black male than any other suspect."-johnflubs

So what's your point, johnny? That blacks are genetically predisposed to violence and murder? Is that what you are suggesting?

Can you think of any other reasons for such statistics? Let's put that supposedly superior intelligence to work, shall we?

[johnforbes]

No, I'm suggesting cops should approach young black males with caution because they are 4 percent of America but commit over 1/2 the violent crime.

Should every former felon who is drunk be suffocated (or whatever transpired) while being arrested? Certainly not, and 100 percent of people say that.

This is no excuse to loot and burn towns.

There simply is no race war against blacks, and the actual evidence -- thanks to the Wash Post for summing it up -- shows 10 unarmed blacks killed by cops in 2019 and 19 unarmed whites.

The overwhelming bulk of arrests are accomplished well and safely.

[sillydaddy]

No, I'm suggesting coFloyd ps should approach young black males with caution because they are 4 percent of America but commit over 1/2 the violent crime.

Of course, and why wouldn't they, when the black community singles out individuals like Floyd..hold them up for all
their youth to see and tell them. "These are your heroes...honor them ..emulate them..!
If that isn't the saddest thing on this good earth, I don't know what is..!

[Clownkicker]

"No, I'm suggesting cops should approach young black males with caution because they are 4 percent of America but commit over 1/2 the violent crime."-johnflubs

Again, johnny, you dodged the question eminently suited to your alleged superior intelligence.

"Can you think of any other reasons for such statistics?"


You're choosing to ignore the larger truth by becoming distracted with peripheral details that are not what the protests are about. Your old fogy characterizations are simply not valid.

The overwhelming number of people protesting are not violent or looting and burning. And from what I have seen televised in my town, the looters and burners are not protesters. They are separate from the protests. The looters are merely opportunists (many are white) and those destroying property here are organized opportunistic (mostly white) anarchist groups, unrelated to the protests.

The overwhelming majority of protesters have nothing to do with the looting and burning that you are pretending is some sort of fundamental part of the protests. If you would bother to notice, the looting and burning is disappearing, as are many of the curfews. The protests are still going strong.

So it wasn't just an excuse for looting and burning, was it.

[sillydaddy]

The looting and burning is stopping because of Trump's show of force, and cops knocking heads even
in front of Andrew Cuomo's cameras.
The protests will stop once the money runs out...
Remember, stimulus checks and unemployment benefits...
the American taxpayer is financing the whole thing..!

[elklindo69]

Apparently the guy who claimed that he would go into a school unarmed to take out a gunman....is the same guy who cowered in his bunker becuase peaceful protesters were demonstrating outside of 3 fences surrounding the WH, vicious dogs, local law enforcement and the military police.

[elklindo69]

Trump's show of force, and cops knocking heads even
in front of Andrew Cuomo's cameras.

Like this.....

[johnforbes]

Is that Joe Biden taking a nap on the pavement?

[sillydaddy]

Elk..well, Yeah..!
That stupid old man saw them coming and he tries to get n their faces ..
the cops are not going to let a protester within arm's length of them.
.they don't know his intentions, so they shove him back..!

I guess the cops were expected to kiss him..!

[johnforbes]

Floyd was evidently high on meth that day too.

He had a baggie which the first 2 cops saw.

Floyd had spent 4 yrs in prison for helping to rob a pregnant woman's apartment.

So is this the new hero of civil rights?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you are continuing to make a fool of yourself and missing the point ENTIRELY.

It doesn't matter WHAT he was doing. If he deserved to be arrested, he deserved to be arrested. Fine. Nobody said he didn't. But he wasn't arrested, he was killed.

What protesters DID say is that Floyd didn't deserve to die just because he did meth or because he passed a fake $20 or had too much to drink. NOBODY has claimed he was a model citizen. Do you get that? It's irrelevant to what is being protested.

What they say is NO ONE deserves to die for being drunk or falling down or using meth. And blacks die by cop without cause at a higher rate than whites do. They always have in this country.

The cop killed him for no disernible reason, johnny. There are no mitigating circumstances for killing someone because they fell down or even if they called you a "pig" or some other epithet. It's murder. Stop letting the point of all this fly right over your dimwitted skull. Murder by police is not okay. You seem incapable of grasping that fact. It is completely nonpartisan, fer cripes sake. You shouldn't continue to make idiotic, non sequitur excuses for it.

[johnforbes]

Is there even one person who ever said Floyd should have been killed rather than arrested?

No.

Cops should arrest people, obviously, rather than kill them on the spot.

But the full context -- the Floyd was a drug addict, armed robber, ex-convict, career criminal -- is important here.

Floyd is being treated like a hero.

[Clownkicker]

Is there even one person who is making excuses for Floyd being killed because he was breaking the law at the time a police officer killed him?

Yes.

There are millions of Trump supporters doing just that, starting with our own partisan scumbag johnforbes.

As evidence that I'm not making this up, I'll quote the scumbag from his previous post:

"But the full context -- the Floyd was a drug addict, armed robber, ex-convict, career criminal -- is important here."-johnfibs

No, again, it isn't "important here." That context is irrelevant to what is being protested. The context is not that he threatened the cop. The context is not that he tried to resist arrest. The context is not that he threatened anyone else's welfare at the time. The context is that he did nothing to warrant death. NOTHING. Period. And yet you keep yammering on for some reason.

You're once again trying to excuse the inexcusable by saying Floyd was not a model citizen so it is somehow understandable (and even acceptable) that he was killed. It isn't.

Floyd is being treated like a victim.

[johnforbes]

Come on, how many times have I clearly stated otherwise?

Nobody -- not a single person -- thinks cops should kill everybody instead of arresting them.

The facts show that, in 2019, 10 blacks and 19 whites were killed by cops when they were not armed.

The Minneapolis cop should have arrested Floyd, and he'll pay a price for killing him instead unless it is shown Floyd died of a heart attack or something.

But the full truth is that Floyd was a drug addict and armed robber, and that doubtless played a role in his arrest, which nonetheless went too far as EVERYBODY HAS AGREED.

[elklindo69]

But the full truth is that Floyd was a drug addict and armed robber, and that doubtless played a role in his arrest, which nonetheless went too far as EVERYBODY HAS AGREED.

Johnnie....you claim that his prior history "doubtless played a role in his arrest." So what's your point?

Now how would you know that his prior history was a factor at this point in time?

What evidence do you have of that?

Did the police conduct a background check of the person and found that out? Is there any evidence of that?

[johnforbes]

No doubt part of that time was spent by police on their car computer confirming his criminal history (extensive rap sheet).

Also -- more importantly -- the cop Chauvin knew him from having worked overlapping shifts as a security guard.

This is a rare case where 100 percent of all people agree that the arrest was a textbook example of what not to do.

For 4 trained people to not easily arrest a guy high on meth/booze, come on, Elkin and I could get together with no police training and arrest him. It isn't rocket science.

But the context of the case can't be avoided -- Floyd was a career criminal, high on meth/booze outside a convenience store, passing fake money, and his pal that day (later arrested for 3 outstanding warrants himself) lied to the cops about his name.

This is the truth about the case; Floyd was a victim on that fateful day, but he also robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint and got sentenced to 5 yrs in prison for it.

Don't make him your hero.

[elklindo69]

No doubt part of that time was spent by police on their car computer confirming his criminal history (extensive rap sheet).

Also -- more importantly -- the cop Chauvin knew him from having worked overlapping shifts as a security guard.

This is a rare case where 100 percent of all people agree that the arrest was a textbook example of what not to do.

For 4 trained people to not easily arrest a guy high on meth/booze, come on, Elkin and I could get together with no police training and arrest him. It isn't rocket science.

But the context of the case can't be avoided -- Floyd was a career criminal, high on meth/booze outside a convenience store, passing fake money, and his pal that day (later arrested for 3 outstanding warrants himself) lied to the cops about his name.

This is the truth about the case; Floyd was a victim on that fateful day, but he also robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint and got sentenced to 5 yrs in prison for it.

Don't make him your hero.

Johnnie....how do you know that "No doubt part of that time was spent by police on their car computer confirming his criminal history (extensive rap sheet)?"

What evidence do you have of that?

Wait hold on....that's more of your made up bullshit

BTW....nobody ever said that Floyd is a hero or something? That's more of your made up bullshit.