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#124292
Now, of course, the Left will cheer because they don't want to help virus patients.

However , 368 patients is hardly a rigorous study against HCQ just as the 1000 or so Raoult had was hardly rigorous in favor of HCQ.

Me, I'd like something to help sick people.

But Democrats don't want this crisis, or the lockdown, to end.
#124298
Once again, johnny, what you "want" and what you "wish" are irrelevant. Science and reality will always win over your fantasies and wishful thinking.

Now, just be sure to pass this on to Trump before he does something stupid, like spend a few more billion on something that doesn't work.

He's already spending like a fleet of drunken sailors AND drunken soldiers AND drunken airmen. Nobody has spent the way he is spending.

But will johnforbes have a single critical word for Trump's spending as he kept criticizing Obama for his spending?

Of course not. johnny is nothing more than a loud mouthed partisan hypocrite.
#124304
The drug had been used safely for decades and like the Korean report the VA study was not a clinical study proving one way or the other its effectiveness on COVID-19. One provided optimism, the other pessimism.

South Dakota is doing a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment and prevention of COVID-19. "The controlled study will initially include 2,000 outpatient individuals exposed to COVID-19, including frontline health care workers and other high-risk patients."

“Our goal is to meaningfully advance the science around COVID-19 so physicians can be better prepared to respond to and treat this novel virus in the future, especially for our populations most at-risk,” Suttle said. (Dr. Allison Suttle, Sanford Health chief medical officer.)

Sanford has developed a new randomized, placebo-controlled research study to investigate prescribing hydroxychloroquine to health care workers and high-risk populations who have been exposed to the novel coronavirus. The treatment trial is designed to determine whether the medication can prevent the illness or minimize symptoms in these individuals.
#124318
"US govt experts warn against virus drug combo promoted by Trump"

"A US government expert panel has formally recommended against using a drug combination promoted by President Donald Trump to fight the coronavirus, because of its potential harmful impact on the heart.

The National Institutes of Health's COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines warned doctors not to use the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin outside of clinical trials.

Taken together, the medicines were "associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.

The QTc is a measure of how fast the heart is electrically recharging for its next beat and slowing it down too much increases the risk of blackouts, seizures and cardiac arrest.

The drug combination has been promoted by Trump, who tweeted last month that it had "a real chance to be one of the biggest game-changers in the history of medicine."

As for using hydroxychloroquine on its own, the panel, which comprises leading doctors from around the country, said there was not enough evidence either way.

It said the same of the investigational antiviral drug remdesivir which has shown early promise against the virus.

A US government funded analysis of how American military veterans fared on hydroxychloroquine posted on a medical preprint site on Tuesday found the drug had no benefit against COVID-19 over standard care, and was in fact associated with more deaths.

Hydroxychloroquine and a related compound chloroquine have been used for decades to treat malaria, as well as the autoimmune disorders lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

They have received significant attention during the novel coronavirus pandemic and have been shown in lab settings to block the virus from entering cells and prevent it from replicating.

But "in vitro" promise often fails to translate into "in vivo" success in the pharmaceutical world.

The correct answer can only be determined through very large, randomized clinical trials that assign patients to receive either the drug under investigation or a placebo.

Several of these are underway, including notably in the United States, Europe, Canada and the United Kingdom."


All I can say, it's a very good thing that only Trump supporters listened to Trump when he was misleading Americans about this. Think of the lives and billions saved by not taking Trump's nutty prescription seriously, and instead relying on science.
#124320
Trump recommended consideration of it, and he was right to do so in an emergency.

In a crisis, a leader looks at anything in his toolkit.

And Trump may well be proven right when a serious study comes in; we presently lack one.

One of the authors of this one was linked to Gilead, which is pushing a different, more costly drug.
#124325
To "recommend consideration" is one thing. But that's not what Trump did, is it. He didn't talk to his advisors in private and suggest a course of action for scientific study. You're always playing semantics games when you have no legitimate argument.

No, Trump recklessly went public with unsupported, non-scientific information that raised false hopes and empowered his base of ignorant "U-S-A" chanting Bozos to ignore recommendations from actual scientists. More than that, he encouraged them to angrily discount everything the scientists have said ever since. (You are a prime example.)

They are still ignoring the scientists as demonstrated by the multiple protests in large groups at various capitols last weekend without PPE and social distancing. Trump is personally responsible for any negative outcomes from such behavior.

And even if 'Trump is proven right' at some time in the distant future, it does not excuse his irresponsible today of spreading unsubstantiated medical treatments and then actually prescribing the treatment without a license. That's criminal. (Yes, johnny, that's exactly what he did, johnny. He said to America in so many words "Take it. What have you got to lose?")


"One of the authors of this one was linked to Gilead, which is pushing a different, more costly drug."-johnflubs

And when you have some evidence to refute what was said in that article, be sure to post it for us instead of posting just another of your pussy ad hominems, johnny.
#124330
Well, one of the authors was linked to Gilead, which of course makes a costly competing drug.

But the simple fact is that the Left did not, and does NOT, want HCQ to work because Trump said to consider it.

To Democrats, even saving lives does not matter -- only their hate.
#124335
Well, one of the authors was linked to Gilead, which of course makes a costly competing drug.

But the simple fact is that the Left did not, and does NOT, want HCQ to work because Trump said to consider it.

To Democrats, even saving lives does not matter -- only their hate.
#124343
Democrats:
Strongly adhere to recommended social distancing guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Policy is driven by science, data and facts.

Republicans:
Trump: Unproven drugs, relaxing social distancing guidelines, retaliates against doctor who refuses to peddle unproven drugs.
Judge Jeannine and dumbass Hannity are telling us it’s a hoax .
Opening tattoo parlors and nail salons.
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