[johnforbes]

In the 4 weeks Fauci has been turning up his nose at HCQ, Didier Raoult, MD, PhD, has been testing it on 1000 patients.

Great results.

However, Fauci remains uninterested, so perhaps his links to Hillary want him to wait for Big Pharma to offer some expensive drug, or perhaps he wants the panic to continue to collapse the economy in an effort to defeat Trump in November?

[RealJustme]

I continue to say, Trump's biggest mistake was not replacing every Obama holdover. One thing is become clear to everyone with an open mind, is that Trump has been spot on and is saving 100's of thousands American lives.

[Shilden_72]

Eh, the problem with replacing every Obama holdover would be that it would mean tearing apart the majority of every institution, 4 or 8 years wouldn't be enough to do that and replace it with something that works, he would need to go full Putin or Merkel and remain for a couple decades in power to do so.
You can't really snap your fingers and have the structure of such a big country change in a couple days... I mean, the "swamp draining" never happened for that reason. He had to compromise and work with said swamp lest he wanted for the entire federal administration to collapse.

[Clownkicker]

"In the 4 weeks Fauci has been turning up his nose at HCQ, Didier Raoult, MD, PhD, has been testing it on 1000 patients.
Great results."-johnfibs


"Benjamin Davido, MD, an infectious disease specialist at Raymond-Poincaré Hospital in Garches, Paris, spoke in an interview about the implications of these new results.

What do you think about the new results presented by Prof. Raoult’s team? Do they confirm the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine?

These results are complementary [to the original results] but don’t offer any new information or new statistical evidence. They are absolutely superimposable and say overall that, between 5 and 7 days [of treatment], very few patients shed the virus. But that is not the question that everyone is asking.

Even if we don’t necessarily have to conduct a randomized study, we should at least compare the treatment, either against another therapy – which could be hydroxychloroquine monotherapy, or just standard of care. It needed an authentic control arm.

To recruit 80 patients so quickly, the researchers probably took people with essentially ambulatory forms of the disease (there was a call for screening in the south of France) – therefore, by definition, less severe cases.

But to describe such a population of patients as going home and saying, “There were very few hospitalizations and it is going well,” does not in any way prove that the treatment reduces hospitalizations."


Yeah, johnny "Great results" Essentially no results at all.
But definitely good enough for 'Dr.' Trump to continue to prescribe HCQ to the general populace.

I continue to say Trump's biggest mistake was closing the White House office Obama put in place to deal with pandemic response, which closure is a YUGE spot on the Trump Administration and is costing thousands of American lives.

[johnforbes]

We would all like a randomized long study, but this is an emergency.

It begins to look like Fauci, and the other Democrats, do not want to solve the virus problem, but instead like the lockdown.

[Clownkicker]

Once again, the Trump supporting mind ignores the science and collapses into a jiggling mass of wishful thinking as a medical response to a very real problem.

What part of "...does not in any way prove that the treatment reduces hospitalizations." do you not understand, johnny?
Simply saying there are "Great results" does not make the results "great" in any meaningful way. (Hint: "self-delusional" is not the same as "meaningful.")

Desperately wanting something to be efficacious for political reasons will not "miraculously" make it efficacious for medical reasons, not even if it is April.

But I'm surprised you even admit there's a medical problem to solve at all. As a loyal Trump supporter you still insist we're just overreacting to what amounts to a routine flu season.

[sillydaddy]

Fauci is a liberal anti-Trump hack...
His plan all along is to destroy the economy so the Demos can have a clear shot in November..
The Demos had already thrown everything they had at Trump and he's still standing..
The economy had to be next..
The virus gave them the perfect cover, and I have read some reports that say social distancing would have been just as effective without having to put people out of work..
Now the Demos are trying to block every bill the President wants passed to help the American people.
That's how much they care about America...and Fauci cares even less..!
In an interview, Fauci revealed he is already thinking about who will play him on SNL...!

[johnforbes]

Every Democrat wants to prolong the shutdown to ruin the economy.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, how do you manage to live with that much made up stupid shit piled up around your waist.

I know, you have "the exact same amount of evidence" (none) to back up that horse shit statement, right?

[johnforbes]

Every person who desires to prolong the shutdown is proclaiming it is to save lives.

Come on, 30k to 80k flu deaths is a typical flu year and it generally affects just those it is affecting now -- the elderly, the obese, and diabetics.

America dealt with polio, SARS, AIDS, MERS, etc without ruining the economy.

Fauci and Birx, both Democrats, want this shutdown to go on long enough to help a Democrat get elected in November.

[Clownkicker]

"Fauci and Birx, both Democrats, want this shutdown to go on long enough to help a Democrat get elected in November."-johnfibs

Wow, johnforbes really gives Democrats a lot of credit.

To him Democrats have shut down nearly every country in the world and they're "miraculously" keeping them shut down through their incredible global charisma or something.

Yes, johnny, it's obviously all about Democrat politics. Who in the entire world could possibly say no to them, huh?

They are so powerful they even have Trump extending the shut down. Impressive. When the economy goes bad because of Trump's shut down, it will be the fault of Democrats who forced him to do it, obviously. Or maybe Obama?

Why do we need Trump at all if he merely carries water for the all-powerful Democrats? We need a real leader.

[johnforbes]

Be of good cheer.

In these troubling times, the Democrats have arrived at a real leader -- a vigorous, experienced gentleman like Joe Biden.

Between bouts of presenile dementia and sniffing the hair of children, he will be on the job.

[Clownkicker]

Sure, johnny, that's so much worse than presenile dementia and grabbing women's pussies, that's who Republicans prefer to have on the job. Yeah, hair sniffing is completely unacceptable.

Remember when johnforbes and other Republicans got all bent out of shape because Bill Clinton had consensual sex with an adult? An adult 4 years older than Trump's mistress Gabriella Sabatini. (Essentially the same age difference as Clinton and Monica)

Well johnny's trying to correct that pathetic hypocritical embarrassment now by supporting a presenile admitted perpetrator of actual sexual assault who said he would like to date his own daughter.

Oh yeah, THAT'S not creepy at all, so johnforbes is of good cheer indeed.

[johnforbes]

Trump's daughter seems like a nice enough gal, smart, educated, and a lot more pleasant than the snarling junkyard dog demeanor of Clownslacker.

[RealJustme]

Eh, the problem with replacing every Obama holdover would be that it would mean tearing apart the majority of every institution

Obama did by it replacing every Bush appointed person and replacing them with his "own" people including tons of Czars.

[Clownkicker]

"Trump's daughter seems like a nice enough gal, smart, educated, and a lot more pleasant than the snarling junkyard dog demeanor of His Lordship."-johnflubs

Once again johnforbes tries to distract from a point made about Trump's deviant proclivities by complimenting Ivanka.

What Ivanka has to do with Trump's deviance is beyond me, unless johnforbes is saying that she's so attractive it is understandable that her father would want to date her.

In that case, I truly hope (for their sake) johnforbes only has ugly daughters.

Now, johnny, tell us how Trump grabbing pussies and saying he would date his daughter isn't creepy at all and is so much better than Biden.

Of course, you won't address that point at all because you are intellectually impotent. Q.E.D.

[johnforbes]

I do owe an apology for comparing Clown's demeanor to that of a junkyard dog.

To all the junkyard dogs out there, I proffer my humble apology.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^ Of course, he didn't and couldn't address that point at all because he is intellectually impotent. Q.E.D.

[elklindo69]

Truman: "the buck stops here"

Trump:
It's the CDC's Fault
It's the WHO's Fault
It's Cuomo's Fault
It's Fauci's Fault
It's Obama's Fault
It's China's Fault
It's your fault
Hillary's emails
The dossier
The impeachment

[johnforbes]

It is true that the dishonest Dems were seeking to impeach and remove Trump in Jan and early Feb.

It is also true that Fauci, on Feb 17 and 27, said coronavirus was no big problem.

It was Fauci's job to know, but he didn't.

Then he and his fellow Democrat Birx ran wild with the flawed Imperial model and assumed 2.2 million Americans would die.

My common sense told me otherwise, and I invested that way, and I myself am a bit shocked at how correct I was and how wrong Fauci was.

[elklindo69]

So Johnnie....how are those hydroxychloroquine studies going?

[Clownkicker]

johnny can't answer right now. He's in a coma; a tragic side effect of the heart trouble he experienced from frantically sucking down his black market stash of HCQ like tictacs to cope with his paralyzing fear and anxiety of the Democrat COVID-19 hoax.

What did he have to lose?

Considering his wasted life, turns out, not much.

[johnforbes]

Dr Raoult -- author of three thousand peer-reviewed medical papers -- found an ultimate 98 percent cure rate with HCQ.

[Clownkicker]

So, a 2% mortality rate---- identical to the untreated control group eh? Just four times the mortality rate of the flu.

Wow, we really need to get this out just as soon as I can buy some stock in the pharmaceutical company that makes it. Suckers like johnforbes are going to be buying truckloads of the stuff.

[johnforbes]

No, there was only a 0.5 percent mortality rate among the elderly in that study.

Look, here's the deal.

I'm not a physician and neither is Clown.

I don't give a single damn what medicine works, or who recommended it, so long as it saves lives.

But Democrats don't want HCQ to work because Trump mentioned it.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, if 98% are cured and .5% die, what happens to the other 1.5%. Do they just remain sick indefinitely?

"But Democrats don't want HCQ to work because Trump mentioned it."-johnfibs

Show us where any Democrat suggested they didn't want it to work, and also where they indicated they didn't want it to work because Trump mentioned it.

You won't because you can't, as always.

It's just more of yourTrump-supporter made up stupid shit.

[johnforbes]

Clown, you can research the study just as well as I can.

Like you, I'm not a professor of medicine.

Unlike you, I'm in favor of finding some therapy to work on coronavirus because a vaccine (even if possible to develop) might be 18 mos away.

The Left has constantly attacked HCQ because Trump suggested looking at it.

The Left wants the lockdown to continue to ruin the economy, and the Left does not want the pandemic to end.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, no one on "The Left" has ever "attacked" HCQ. You're making it up.

And no, saying a drug should not be prescribed on a massive scale until it is proven to have some efficacy is not an "attack."

It is common sense as well as scientific sense. That you can't recognize either is very telling.


Now I will pull a "johnforbes"--

The Right wants the lockdown to end prematurely to cause an even more serious rebound outbreak and more unnecessary deaths in the fall, and the Right does not want the pandemic to end.

^^^^^ That is EXACTLY as true as the dishonest idiotic partisan statement johnforbes just made. EXACTLY.
But johnny certainly isn't a conspiracy theory dupe. Of course he isn't.

[johnforbes]

But that is exactly what the Left is saying.

They want the lockdown to continues as a leftist power trip and also in the hope it will defeat Trump this fall.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, "The Left" doesn't have any say in how long the shut down lasts. It's up to Trump and his Republicans.

Even so, no one on "the Left" has ever said such a thing. You made it up.

Your trouble is that when someone supports a scientific point of view, you are incapable of seeing it as anything but a political view.
This does nothing but reveal your own view of science--that it is a tool to be wielded for political purposes instead of something to rescue everyone on the planet from disease.

Now IGNORING science and promoting wishful thinking instead, as you and Republicans are doing, definitely IS using science as a political tool. So you are actually transferring your own natural political bias onto Democrats.

[johnforbes]

Sorry, it was left (pun intended) to governors.

Take a Dem governor in NY or PA in NJ, they want to prolong the lockdown and cause as much economic misery as possible in the hope it will dislodge Trump this fall.

Take a "progressive" like Wolf in PA who is more comfortable posing and preening with the socialists at Oxford. Do you really think, with his inherited money, that he gives a damn about some union worker or small businessman in PA?