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By elklindo69
#120458
Looks like Mr. Taylor ripped Trump a new one...........

The top U.S. envoy to Ukraine told House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that President Donald Trump sought to withhold critical military aid to Ukraine and refuse a White House meeting with the country’s president unless he pursued politically motivated investigations into Trump’s rivals.

The diplomat, William Taylor, painted a damaging portrait of events that directly tied Trump to a quid pro quo with Ukraine, according to his prepared remarks obtained by POLITICO and his responses to questions as described by sources in the room for the closed-door testimony.

The timeline Taylor laid out during his nearly 10 hours testifying before investigators is at the heart of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into the president. The 50-year veteran of government service systematically dismantled Trump’s repeated denials that he sought to leverage American military and diplomatic might to coerce an ally into a coordinated campaign to damage his potential 2020 rival. Trump himself and his congressional allies did not attempt on Tuesday to dispute the substance of Taylor’s claims, which were based on copious notes. Instead, the White House attacked Taylor personally, saying he was part of a band of “radical unelected bureaucrats waging war on the Constitution.”

In his opening statement, Taylor said Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told him that “everything” — including military assistance to Ukraine and a meeting between Trump and the Ukrainian leader — was contingent on the Ukrainians publicly announcing investigations into Trump’s political opponents. He told impeachment investigators that a White House budget official said on a secure phone call in July that Trump had personally directed that the military aid be withheld.

“It is a rancorous story about whistle-blowers, Mr. Giuliani, side channels, quid pro quos, corruption and interference in elections,” Taylor said, referring to Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who was deeply involved in the shadow effort.

Taylor also testified that Sondland said Trump personally told him that he wanted Ukraine to “state publicly” that it would open such probes, before the U.S. would release the aid, which is viewed as critical for combating Russia’s aggression in the region. Taylor repeatedly underscored the damage that even a temporary hold on the aid had done to the U.S.-Ukraine relationship, at a time when the budding democracy was resisting an advance by Russian forces and fighting corruption at the highest levels of the government.

“Ambassador Sondland tried to explain to me that President Trump is a businessman. When a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check,” Taylor said, according to his opening statement.
#120459
The top U.S. envoy to Ukraine told House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that President Donald Trump sought to withhold critical military aid to Ukraine and refuse a White House meeting with the country’s president unless he pursued politically motivated investigations into Trump’s rivals.
No he didn't, that's Schiff's spin of what was said and Schiff won't allow the public to hear what the envoy really said. ;)
#120461
Snake, you need to take your own advice.

Where is the COMPLETE, full, testimony of that fellow?

Did he have just second hand information?

Why yes, yes he did have only gossip, hearsay-type information.

Look, Schiff is an establish liar, and this entire attempted soft coup is based on some unknown partisan (the so-called whistleblower) who had NO DIRECT INFORMATION.

Nor did the witness yesterday.

Snakeoil, you are selling snake oil.
#120468
Schiff lied when he said he didn't know the whistleblower....
But when it was discovered he helped him...
Schiff said he should have been more clear about it...he had lied plain and simple.
and quite possibly he "created " the whistleblower.

But the Demos accept this explanation, when in fact, Schiff should remove himself from the investigation.
Why? He is implicated in a cover up or at the very least he is a WITNESS... :O
#120474
Exactly, Schiff is a fact witness and thus cannot be the one supervising this secret investigation.

As to this purported "whistleblower," he/she may not even exist given Schiff's very clear history as a liar.

Either way, for thousands of years, people have had a right to face their accuser, look into the background of an accuser, and cross-examine.
#120475
Criminy, it's like johnflubs never spent a day in a law classroom.

Sure, you get to confront your accuser in a court of law, but the whilstleblower isn't taking Trump to trial and making any accusations against him. He simply provided the trail of intelligense for investigators to follow in order to unearth the facts. They will be Trump's accusers, not the whistleblower.

The whistleblower won't be a witness to anything. You yourselves have said he doesn't have any firsthand evidence, so why would you allow hearsay into a trial? The whistleblower's revelations will have nothing to do with any possible trial. The facts and witnesses unearthed by Congress thanks to the whistleblower will be what Trump needs to confront and refute.
#120491
There is no "whistleblower."

This person heard gossip, and has THREE aspects of bias.

1) He is a registered Democrat.

2) He favors a rival of Trump's (now identified as Biden).

3) A third unknown aspect of political bias per the IG.
#120535
So we have at least three people who have made same admission under oath........... in order for the Ukraine's president to visit the WH the Ukrainians would have to agree to investigate the Biden's which would help Trump's re-election.

Trump is starting to make Nixon look like a saint.

:O
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