[Leroy]

The more we learn about how the Green Energy program was handled, the more corruption we find - and if you were/are a friend of/to Obama, well, you are always rewarded with money and/or protection from prosecution....

If Obama is re-elected by some vile turn of events, you can bet that this chap will end up on the Administration payroll somewhere.


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A veteran Wall Street executive who performed an independent review that exonerated the Obama administration's program of loans to energy companies contributed $52,500 to re-elect President Barack Obama in the months since completing his work, according to an Associated Press review of campaign records. The executive defended the integrity of his conclusions and said he decided to donate to Obama after his work was finished.

The campaign contributions to Obama started just weeks after Herbert M. Allison Jr., in congressional testimony in March, minimized concerns that the Energy Department was at high risk in more than $23 billion in federal loans awarded to green energy firms. Two weeks later, Allison began giving to the Obama campaign. His contributions to Obama and the Democratic National Committee totaled $52,500 by last month. Allison previously was the former head of the government's mass purchase of toxic Wall Street assets.
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[Leroy]

Interesting how the liberals don't comment on blatant corruption and dishonesty when it's from one liberal to another, screwing the tax payers.

[elklindo69]

Romney claims that drilling in the United States will eliminate out dependence on foreign suppliers of fossil fuels. But he doesn't want to increase fuel efficiency standards?

So how does he plan on making the nation energy independent by 2020?

[Leroy]

Romney claims that drilling in the United States will eliminate out dependence on foreign suppliers of fossil fuels. But he doesn't want to increase fuel efficiency standards?

So how does he plan on making the nation energy independent by 2020?

Maybe you should read the document on his website, it details his plan: http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-v ... dence-2020

[Leroy]

Here is another example of Fake Republicans supporting Obama - the Democrats are desperate, they show it more and more as they feel the loss mounting.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/0 ... n-3128791/

[elklindo69]

Romney's sales pitch is nothing but empty rhetoric. And he does not go into any detail. And as a matter of fact he has opposed CAFE standards and wants to overturn them. And when you really think about the concept of "energy independence" oil is a commodity which is traded on the world markets so prices will fluctuate depending on supply and demand.

[Leroy]

So, if you're not a fan of Romney, and you don't see the Republicans as being able to fix anything because of their history, and since the Democrats are no better, who are you voting for in the election?

[elklindo69]

If Romney came up with something more credible then we would listen. Drilling for more fossil fuels is not the answer. And even he recognizes that conventional sources are dwindling, so he wants to cut renewable energy subsidies?

That makes no sense. Solar and wind energy are the only viable long term solutions. Fossil fuels are way to valuable to waste. Romney is irresponsible...

[Leroy]

If renewable or solar energy devices are the way to go, it doesn't take the government to kill the tax payer to get them going - as the price of oil increases businesses will find it viable to make economically viable alternative devices to provide power.

Solar Electric is not viable for most people in the USA - cost is far more than that of Coal powered electric and we have hundreds of years of coal for power.

Solar Heating is not viable for much of the USA - all you have to do is look at the national solar radiation charts to see this (same for Solar Electric).

Wind power, even less viable than Solar Electric/Heat in the USA.

Oh, and the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives keep making Solar and Wind illegal in areas of the country and neighborhoods. Heck, one of the best places in the mid-west for Solar Electric generation is being blocked by democrat politicians.

No matter how you spin it, the economic viability of alternative energy products won't make it for the masses until business finds a way to make a profit on it and consumers can afford it. Government isn't helping, it's hurting.

Democrats are responsible for most of the Green Energy loan that sent most of the money outside the USA (net effect). Take the government out of it and it will get better sooner.

[elklindo69]

Solar and wind projects are infrastructure upgrades that will take decades to complete. So what if they don't pay dividends overnight, that's not the point. They are to benefit my children. It's stupid to cut funding off just because we don't see instant results...


Fossil fuels will not last forever, so we are better off investing in our future by funding research projects even though not all projects will bear fruit. If we knew with 100% certainty which projects would fail and would succeed then we would not be having this conversation.

[Leroy]

Elk, we have enough Coal and Oil reserves to last more than 100 years, more than enough time for technology to improve instead of killing the tax payer to pay for failed and non-economical projects that only make the business owners more wealthy or send our US money overseas.

Take a look at the facts - look at a solar radiation chart that shows the entire USA....

Take a look at the facts - look at all of the legislation sponsored by democrats to keep solar and wind from being put into play

[elklindo69]

Wind energy has increased from 2500mw to 45000mw in the past 10 years. More capacity will be added in the future and it's here to stay. Coal, oil, and natural gas are precious natural resources and they should be conserved and not wasted just for the sake of it.

The term "energy independence" is a hollow phrase. It means nothing because there truly will never be any independence because fossil fuels are traded on the global energy markets.

[Leroy]

Elk, several of the car dealerships have installed large wind-turbines on their lots (around here) and each of them goes for days without the blades turning a single rotation. I talked with one dealer, they have not seen any savings from having the device - they are not likely to recoup the initial cost in 20 years based on the last years running.

Wind is not viable without a viable means to store the energy for later use, and that technology is not currently viable to the masses.

I've looked at converting to Solar Electric, leaving my gas appliances on gas (which is the Furnace, Water Heater, Stove, Dryer), and the investment has no payback - in fact, by the time I have to replace the battery system, it turns to a complete loss. Since we're not expected to run out of Coal for 100+ years, we have time to build the technology that will make electrical storage devices economical, the same is true about making more efficient devices that run on electric... I can remember paying $8 for a single LED 30 years ago, today I can buy a 75W flood lamp replacement in LED for $30 and I get the same amount of directional light for 1/10th the power, so the advancements in technology come, but there is no reason to screw the tax payer to rush designs that are not really viable to the masses at this time.

As long as we're paying terrorism supporting nations blood money for natural resources we have here, more abundantly even, we're doing the wrong thing - we have the resources and we can use them to sustain our population in a reasonable manner as we increase our technology level to make non-resource products viable to the masses.