[RealJustme]

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said the Senate will hold a vote on Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination this week.

"The time for endless delay and obstruction has come to a close. Judge Kavanaugh's nomination is out of committee. We're considering it here on the floor and ... we'll be voting this week," McConnell said. If McConnell waited until Friday to file cloture on Kavanaugh's nomination that would set up an initial vote on ending debate as early as Sunday.

If McConnell filed cloture before that, he could bring up the vote as soon as the Friday deadline passed or when the FBI wrapped up its investigation.

Democrats have met their match, when Trump was asked what he thought of McConnell's announcement, Trump replied that's the Senate's business and McConnell's call. "You do understand the separation of powers...don't you?"

[johnforbes]

Rachel Mitchell's report was devastating to the accuser's very weak claims, which at this juncture can only be seen as springing from partisan politics.

The Senate ought to vote Friday.

All Democrats will oppose, of course, because they never cared about the truth.

[elklindo69]

Have you ever heard of someone bombing their job interview worse than Blackout Brett bombed his shitshow of a SC interview?

:lol:

[Clownkicker]

Is it fair to call it a shit show? Kavanaugh hardly perjured himself at all. Just a few times...not too bad.

[elklindo69]

Do you remember when Hillary was called to testify about Benghazi and sat there whining and shouting at her questioners? of course not.

Hillary sat in her chair and politely answered questions for some 11 hours, why, because Hillary is not some blacked out drunk smug entitled frat-bro rapist...

[johnforbes]

She was not at all polite.

She shouted "What difference does it make?'

Let me answer that: It is important to know whether Hillary, Rice, and Obama lied about Benghazi.

[elklindo69]

OH I bet if that were true then you would have the evidence by now.

:lol:

[johnforbes]

Oh, it is utterly clear they lied about Benghazi.

Or does the average person on the street carry a rocket launcher in his back pocket?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, Trump lies to you literally EVERY DAY about things that matter and you don't mind.

But for some reason you have a bee in your bonnet over an alleged lie that doesn't change anything one way or the other.
There are reasons diplomats sometimes lie about things that happen in other countries. Often you don't know what those reasons are, and you don't need to know. They sometimes have to do with negotiating positions or saving face before the rest of the world.

The point is, nothing happened to anybody because of that supposed lie. The events that unfolded had already occurred or would have occurred regardless. Nobody could have saved the Ambassador. He was where he was because he had refused to evacuate. He knew the risks and thought it was important he be there.

[namngulfvet]

johnny, Trump lies to you literally EVERY DAY about things that matter and you don't mind.

But for some reason you have a bee in your bonnet over an alleged lie that doesn't change anything one way or the other.
There are reasons diplomats sometimes lie about things that happen in other countries. Often you don't know what those reasons are, and you don't need to know. They sometimes have to do with negotiating positions or saving face before the rest of the world.

The point is, nothing happened to anybody because of that supposed lie. The events that unfolded had already occurred or would have occurred regardless.

What has Trump lied about Clown? when called out seems like all you liberal toad lickers have is talking points

[johnforbes]

Clown, don't you know why people care about Benghazi?

Don't you even understand that 4 brave men fought for half a day expecting help?

They died fighting, and then Obama and Hillary and Rice lied.

[Clownkicker]

Only they didn't fight for half a day, johnny. You made that up.

There was nothing that could have been done to save them since the chain of command takes a certain amount of time for orders to be handed down.

And even if you were correct, which you're not, lying about it doesn't change anything, does it. There was no law broken. It happens all the time by Administrations of any stripe.

If you are actually upset about Presidents lying, and not just being a partisan hypocrite, you have your chance to prove it with some commentary about Trump's daily lies.

[elklindo69]

You know....pointing out conservatard hypocrisy is a good thing.

The lessons that are learned will reside in the hearts of honest and good people.

Sadly, for those Trumptards among us, hypocrisy is considered a strength and not a weakness and they find no shame in its practice.

[johnforbes]

Clown, you are utterly wrong about that.

F-16s were on the flight line at Aviano, ready to roll, and refuel coulda been Sigonella.

[elklindo69]

Clown, you are utterly wrong about that.

F-16s were on the flight line at Aviano, ready to roll, and refuel coulda been Sigonella.

That's a blatant lie Johnnie...

The House and Senate reports indicated that there were no US military assets available. That's not even disputable.

Further more even if F-16s were available as you claim, the CIA agents couldn't even have called in for air strikes anyway.

[johnforbes]

No, you are uninformed.

F-16s were on the flight line in Aviano.

And, because you are ignorant, you may want to Google how fast an F-16 can fly before you say 1000 miles is a long way off.

It is...unless you are a jet jock.

There were also special forces at Sigonella.

[elklindo69]

No Johnnie you are lying.

There were no military assets available...that was clear in both house and senate reports.

Not to mention the fact that CIA agents are not trained to coordinate air support operations. Additionally do you really think the air force is going to drop bombs in the middle of a heavily populated city were hundreds of innocent civilians could get killed.

That's moronic....

[Clownkicker]

What johnny is really lying about is the amount of time available to save the people in Benghazi.

The first shots were heard at 3:40 p.m.. The Ambassador and his bodyguard were found dead around 4:15-4:45 p.m..
That's as little as 35 minutes to 65 minutes as the very best case scenario. That's not enough time for an F-16 to scramble and cover the distance, even if no authorization from Washington were required, which it was.

First the CIA man at the Annex had to hear of the attack on the compound. Then he had to get hold of Washington, which he couldn't do right away, the call didn't go through right away. Then the message had to be patched from CIA to the White House. Then Obama would need to be brought up to speed by advisors and then authorize an asset to be sent. This can't even be done in less than 20-30 minutes. And even an F-16 can't fly the 3000 mph it would take to arrive just as the Ambassador was dying.
The only CHANCE they had was if the CIA man at the Annex had ignored the chain of command and authorized the Annex team to leave immediately upon hearing of the attack. But the Annex team's job was to protect the Annex. The CIA man didn't have authority to make that call himself.

Beyond that first lie of johnny's, the other two soldiers at the Annex were dead after 4 hours and 20 minutes from the initial shots fired at the Ambassador's Compound. But that second attack didn't start until 6:00 p.m., after the attack on the compound was already over and no one could have known the Annex would also be attacked at the time intelligence was reaching those in authority.

The nine investigations into the Benghazi attacks, some run by Republicans, cleared Hillary and Obama of wrongdoing.
If you won't believe your own Party, who will you believe, johnny?

Any alleged lie (which also didn't happen) doesn't have anything to do with what occurred in Benghazi. It would be pure politics with no effect on the outcome in the field.

[johnforbes]

I believe the people who were there.

There was plenty of time.

Look up the speed of a F-16 and you'll see.

There was also fuel at Sigonella.

And, if you had ever been in the military, you'd understand this: You try.

If a had a worst enemy (which I don't), and he were at Benghazi, I would try to help.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, even the people who think the F-16s should have been sent concede that they could not even have gotten off the ground before the first two victims were dead. This isn't just my opinion and what YOU think is irrelevant.

"Hour 0-1. While the F-16s at Aviano are not on strip alert, given the genuine emergency it’s reasonable to expect that within an hour of the order being given a sober pilot or two could have been located, an aircraft fuelled and in the air with a minimal default loadout. In this scenario the aircraft may have had only ammunition for its 20mm cannon and pilot would be given a simple briefing on the way to the plane: Get to NAS Sigonella.

Hour 1-2. Given that the distance from AFB Aviano to NAS Sigonella is only 610 miles, the pilot would be able to quickly attain altitude and cruise at above the standard cruising speed of 577 mph. The F-16 would be on the ground at NAS Sigonella within an hour of its departure from AFB Aviano. During this one hour flight two important things would happen:
Via radio the pilot receives a more detailed briefing. The plan – a quick refuelling at NAS Sigonella and an immediate departure for Benghazi to fly a close air support (CAS) mission.
NAS Sigonella is informed of the incoming F-16 and told to prepare for immediate refuelling of the aircraft upon its arrival.

Hour 2-2.5. The F-16 arrives at NAS Sigonella and is immediately refuelled. While it’s possible to refuel an F-16 without even stopping the engines (hot-pit refuelling), it’s also possible that NAS Sigonella didn’t have a refuelling team available that was trained for this. Thus, let’s assume that the refuelling process takes a full 30 minutes before the F-16 is again airborne and enroute to Benghazi.

Hour 2.5-3.5. Given it is only 468 miles from NAS Sigonella to Benghazi the F-16 is on station and providing close air support within 3.5 hours from the initial order."
http://www.passionforliberty.com/2013/0 ... r-support/

This is the realistic and optimistic evaluation of the situation by military men. 3.5 hours to arrive would not have saved the Ambassador and his body guard, no matter who was in the White House.

After that, it is a matter of military opinion as to the best course to follow to prevent the attack on the Annex that no one could know was even coming. Those in charge made their call that happens to differ from yours, and that's all. Obama didn't make the call and Hillary didn't make the call.

You're making it all up, johnny. It's what partisan hacks do.

[namngulfvet]

johnny, even the people who think the F-16s should have been sent concede that they could not even have gotten off the ground before the first two victims were dead. This isn't just my opinion and what YOU think is irrelevant.

"Hour 0-1. While the F-16s at Aviano are not on strip alert, given the genuine emergency it’s reasonable to expect that within an hour of the order being given a sober pilot or two could have been located, an aircraft fuelled and in the air with a minimal default loadout. In this scenario the aircraft may have had only ammunition for its 20mm cannon and pilot would be given a simple briefing on the way to the plane: Get to NAS Sigonella.

Hour 1-2. Given that the distance from AFB Aviano to NAS Sigonella is only 610 miles, the pilot would be able to quickly attain altitude and cruise at above the standard cruising speed of 577 mph. The F-16 would be on the ground at NAS Sigonella within an hour of its departure from AFB Aviano. During this one hour flight two important things would happen:
Via radio the pilot receives a more detailed briefing. The plan – a quick refuelling at NAS Sigonella and an immediate departure for Benghazi to fly a close air support (CAS) mission.
NAS Sigonella is informed of the incoming F-16 and told to prepare for immediate refuelling of the aircraft upon its arrival.

Hour 2-2.5. The F-16 arrives at NAS Sigonella and is immediately refuelled. While it’s possible to refuel an F-16 without even stopping the engines (hot-pit refuelling), it’s also possible that NAS Sigonella didn’t have a refuelling team available that was trained for this. Thus, let’s assume that the refuelling process takes a full 30 minutes before the F-16 is again airborne and enroute to Benghazi.

Hour 2.5-3.5. Given it is only 468 miles from NAS Sigonella to Benghazi the F-16 is on station and providing close air support within 3.5 hours from the initial order."
http://www.passionforliberty.com/2013/0 ... r-support/

This is the realistic and optimistic evaluation of the situation by military men. 3.5 hours to arrive would not have saved the Ambassador and his body guard, no matter who was in the White House.

After that, it is a matter of military opinion as to the best course to follow to prevent the attack on the Annex that no one could know was even coming. Those in charge made their call that happens to differ from yours, and that's all. Obama didn't make the call and Hillary didn't make the call.

You're making it all up, johnny. It's what partisan hacks do.

What a crock of shit nClown... I told you when it happened there was a platoon ready to go and only an hour away.. I talk to several who were there and ready to rock and roll.. Your article is pure bullshit

[Clownkicker]

dumbfuck, as I said, the only team within distance of the compound were the Annex defense team whose job it was to protect the Annex. The CIA man in charge had no authority to send them from the Annex and so went up the chain of command, as he ablsolutely should.

If you were ever in the military you would know that a platoon may be ready to "rock and roll", but they are powerless until they are given a lawful order to "rock and roll". There was no such order, and the realities of the chain of command meant none could have gotten there in time, it would have been too late to save the ambassador. So it is YOUR post that is bullshit. And I am shocked that you are criticizing Deputy Chief of Mission Gregory Hicks who thinks the F-16s should have been sent. That is the same as criticizing johnforbes, because they share the same view.

Also, your bullshit has nothing to do with whether or not an F-16 could have made it to Benghazi in time, which is what johnforbes is lying about.

[namngulfvet]

If you were ever in the military you would know that a platoon may be ready to "rock and roll", but they are powerless until they are given a lawful order to "rock and roll". There was no such order,

Thanks for admitting Ojackass and Killary fucked the pooch..

[Clownkicker]

Thanks for admitting you're a pooch, namandgulfdumbfuck.


By the way, if you were ever actually in the military, you would know that the Secretary of State cannot give orders to the military, you FAKE vet.

[namngulfvet]

Thanks for admitting you're a pooch, namandgulfdumbfuck.


By the way, if you were ever actually in the military, you would know that the Secretary of State cannot give orders to the military, you FAKE vet.

No shit asshole.. But Killary and Ojackass could have... the two of them crawled into their shinny silk sheets and turned their backs on 5 heros who gave their all..

[Clownkicker]

johnny, would you explain to this Fucking moron that he just agreed with me that the Secretary of State can't order the military to do anything, and then he blames Secretary of State Clinton for not ordering military steps to be taken.

People that stupid are way below my ability to educate. But you shouldn't have any trouble talking to your conservative intellectual equal.

[johnforbes]

Whether it is Locke or Rousseau, certain things are part of the social contract.

You try to rescue people.

If you do NOT try, it is a 100 percent guarantee there will be no rescue.

Could you rescue the first to do? Almost never is that true.

Re Benghazi, I believe the people who were there.

There was plenty of time.

Look up the speed of a F-16 and you'll see.

There was also fuel at Sigonella.

And, if you had ever been in the military, you'd understand this: You try.

If a had a worst enemy (which I don't), and he were at Benghazi, I would try to help.

[elklindo69]

Why are these conservatard numbnuts still debating this?

The republicans finally admitted that unfortunately nothing could have been done?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GsXrZSyIj0

[namngulfvet]

Why are these conservatard numbnuts still debating this?

The republicans finally admitted that unfortunately nothing could have been done?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GsXrZSyIj0

This is probably the only time I have disagreed with Gowdy..

[Clownkicker]

johnny, they were dead within an hour. Nothing you can say will change that fact.
They were dead before the theoretical F-16 could even leave Sigonella.

At maximum speed (which you seem to think is relevant somehow, though it isn't) the F-16 would have gotten there and then crashed into the desert since it would be out of fuel. Lack of fuel trumps theoretical maximum speed any day and every day.

Otherwise, refueling at Sigonella takes 30 minutes.
The initial orders from Washington would take at least 30 minutes, but more likely an hour to go through channels.
The flight at top speed would take 45 minutes, only to end in a crash since there would not be enough fuel remaining to return to Sigonella. At normal cruising speed (in order to be able return to base) it would take 2 hours.

In ideal conditions that's at least 3 hours just to get there. The ambassador would have been dead for 2 hours already, and the pilot could have heard this news on his way there as he was refueling at Sigonella. What is there to "try" to do when you already know the object of your rescue is dead?

You're waxing philosophical while ignoring the hard reality on the ground and the harsh reality of making decisions during a crisis.
You're pretending that what is theoretically possible is not subject to the laws of government, the laws of physics, and particularly the military chain of command.
You have the luxury of being an armchair commander with 20/20 hindsight.

As for Hillary, the State Department had tried to get Stevens to leave with everyone else days before, but he refused, believing his mission was more important and on the verge of success if he stayed. He knew the risks and accepted them.

[johnforbes]

But that is taking post facto information and saying, if the Pentagon had a crystal ball, it could do x.

The reality is that you don't know what you don't know.

You try to help, and Rice and Hillary and Obama all lied about Benghazi.

They left those brave men to die, and that should offend any decent person.

You try to help. You send the jets, you send the special forces as they could have, and you try.

That is what decent humans do.

[Clownkicker]

But they did try, johnny, and you know it. Plans were being made to send support that would have arrived within 24 hours.

Stop saying "You try" when they did try.

You just happen to disagree with the decisions made because you have the luxury of hindsight. At the time, reasonable military men made the best call they could as they saw it with the assets available to them. Some people disagreed with those decisions, as some people ALWAYS disagree. It wasn't some 'evil plot' by Obama and Hillary to let people die needlessly. And you know that too.

As someone said, "The reality is that you don't know what you don't know." even as you are criticizing them for what they didn't know when they made their controversial decisions.


"You try to help, and Rice and Hillary and Obama all lied about Benghazi."-johnfibs

Those are two unrelated issues, even if true, which it isn't. You're trying to link any alleged lies about Benghazi with the decisions made to respond to the attack on the compound. They have nothing to do with each other. The attack on the compound was over long before any alleged lies were told about it.

[johnforbes]

No, the F-16s were on the flight line in Aviano and never got the order to go.

The survivors were told not to go to the embassy outpost.

All the way through, because the election was approaching, Rice and Hillary and Obama lied about this terrorist incident.

[Clownkicker]

No, they didn't 'try' with the F-16s. They tried with more soldiers and heavier equipment that would arrive later than an F-16 that a couldn't have saved the ambassador any more than the assets that were actually ordered to move.

The people running the show made their call. You happen to disagree with the call. But it doesn't change a thing either way. And the nine investigations into the matter agreed.

Meanwhile, maybe you would be so kind as to have your staff dredge up an actual quotation of an actual lie they told about the attack and then share it with us?

Thanks in advance.

[namngulfvet]

No, they didn't 'try' with the F-16s. They tried with more soldiers and heavier equipment that would arrive later than an F-16 that a couldn't have saved the ambassador any more than the assets that were actually ordered to move.

The people running the show made their call. You happen to disagree with the call. But it doesn't change a thing either way. And the nine investigations into the matter agreed.

Meanwhile, maybe you would be so kind as to have your staff dredge up an actual quotation of an actual lie they told about the attack and then share it with us?

Thanks in advance.

Its no wonder your still cleaning toilets in a grade school....

[Clownkicker]

It beats having your mom put your mushy head in a helmet each morning to keep you from hurting yourself.

[RealJustme]

johnny, they were dead within an hour. Nothing you can say will change that fact.
They were dead before the theoretical F-16 could even leave Sigonella.

Military commanders on the ground disagree, using libtard's logic that it probably would have been to late to save them is like a police department failing to send help to a 911 caller being stabbed because it would be a waste of time, so they'll just send the crime scene people out if a few days.

[namngulfvet]

johnny, they were dead within an hour. Nothing you can say will change that fact.
They were dead before the theoretical F-16 could even leave Sigonella.

Military commanders on the ground disagree, using libtard's logic that it probably would have been to late to save them is like a police department failing to send help to a 911 caller being stabbed because it would be a waste of time, so they'll just send the crime scene people out if a few days.

Well you know how Liberals adore criminals and violence.. Anything to destroy America

[elklindo69]

johnny, they were dead within an hour. Nothing you can say will change that fact.
They were dead before the theoretical F-16 could even leave Sigonella.

Military commanders on the ground disagree, using libtard's logic that it probably would have been to late to save them is like a police department failing to send help to a 911 caller being stabbed because it would be a waste of time, so they'll just send the crime scene people out if a few days.

Well you know how Liberals adore criminals and violence.. Anything to destroy America

Dumbfuck...you see that piece of paper on Trump's shoe. That's the constitution.

[johnforbes]

F-16s were on the flight line at Aviano and ready to go.

The orders never came.

Even those who came from the annex did so after getting disgusted awaiting orders that never came.

Fact is, Rice and Hillary and Obama lied and called it spontaneous when nobody transports a rocket launcher in his hip pocket.

They lied, and they let them die in Benghazi, and they did so because an election was looming and they wanted to pretend terrorism had been defeated.

[elklindo69]

Bush lied and thousands died.

You people seem to ignore that fact and gripe about the fact that the republican congress cleared Hillary.

John...no matter how many times you regurgitate and repackage your lies...they are still lies.

[RealJustme]

You libtards need to accept Hillary loss and will never be President. Trump won, elections have consequences and now the Supreme Court is set to rip Democrats a new ass.

[elklindo69]

And wait until the democrats take over the house shortly!

That's when the investigations will begin!!!

[namngulfvet]

And wait until the democrats take over the house shortly!

That's when the investigations will begin!!!

You mean tax hikes, socialism, illegals swarming the borders, living under a dictatorship, letting criminals run free, destroying the constitution, making eminent domain a priority, removing police, allowing cartel to run the place and bring drugs over.... Ya I can hardly wait Elkdoofus. Your a very special kind of stupid

[elklindo69]

And wait until the democrats take over the house shortly!

That's when the investigations will begin!!!

You mean tax hikes, socialism, illegals swarming the borders, living under a dictatorship, letting criminals run free, destroying the constitution, making eminent domain a priority, removing police, allowing cartel to run the place and bring drugs over.... Ya I can hardly wait Elkdoofus. Your a very special kind of stupid

The Trump investigations are too numerous to list...

:lol: