[snakeoil]

I just read a book last night; I started reading it and couldn't put it down until I had finished it. The book is "Bail Out" by Neil Barofsky. Barofsky was the SIGTARP (Special Inspector General for TARP Funds) Inspector General overseeing the spending of over $700 billion in TARP funds. After reading this book you'll want to start a new revolution in this country. It goes into how Washington works, the gross incompetance of high placed officials and the prevailing cover-your-ass mentality of many Washington types. Amazingly, the author has a bit of respect for Congress as he feels that all of the agencies in Washington go to great lengths to keep Congress in the dark. Many agency officials try to remain as invisible as possible so that Congress won't ask them qustions.

Long and short of it-much of the $700 billion was just pissed down the drain and any attempt at oversight was met with fierce resistance from the entrenched powers in Washington.

After reading this book I feel that every poster has a grain of truth in his comments.

[unowho]

Really?

It took a book for you to accept the obvious as TRUTH?

It's fucking sickening how much of OUR money is just pissed away willy nilly but what's worse is that these BILLIONS were simply GIVEN to a bunch of fucking people who need it the LEAST...

GREED.... pure fucking greed!

I'll be happy, though, to take you up on reading this book... I'll increase my medications accordingly..

thanks

UNO

[snakeoil]

A few items from the book:

1. Treasury Secretary Geithner had three of the large Wall Street banks draw up a plan to control the oversight of the TARP funds. (Fox guarding the henhouse?)

2. $40 billion authorized to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. $1.4 billion was spent.

3, Mortgage services (often a subsidiary of the banks) collected payments, sent payments to the mortgage holder, did paper work, sent late notices and started foreclosure proceedings if necessary. All of this was done for generous fees. In the end, it was in the interest of the servicers to force the homeowner into bankruptcy because this would generate more fees to manage the bankruptcy process.

[BilboBagend]

and a Bush appointee is still preventing mortgages from being marked to market and thus resolving a large portion of the mortgage crisis.

[snakeoil]

Geithner is an Obama appointee. Read the book; both aprties have blood on their hands.

[unknownhooligan]

two words:

Ron Paul

[Leroy]

Ron Paul

HA HA HA HA HA - He's a LOOOOOOON, a complete loon.

[unknownhooligan]

You as well as everyone has been mentally conditioned to believe Dr Paul to be radical, or insane or marginalized. It is a common misconception that he can't win. Unfortunatley, his is a tough platform to sell because no one wants to hear the truth. No one wants to sacrifice in order to balance the books and everyone is afraid he will take something from them. Hopefully, someday the American public will have the balls to vote for what is right instead of wanting to be sold a bill of bullshit wrapped in buzzwords steeped in platitudes every election cycle.

[Leroy]

You as well as everyone has been mentally conditioned to believe Dr Paul to be radical, or insane or marginalized.

No, you and his other supporters just are not living in reality and don't want to see that RP is a loon, a complete loon.

There is no "Mental conditioning" on my part, I looked at his history, his positions, his ACTIONS, and I find him to be almost as bad as Obama, worse in some areas.

[Dogzilla]

I'd vote for Ron Paul, too.

[elklindo69]

Ron Paul is too "unconventional" to be elected.

As much as I despise the bailouts, they were essential to stabilizing the economy. The compensation schemes at those banks encourage risk taking, because for them it's a coin flip scenario, heads I win and tails you lose. I guarantee if you confiscate the net worth of a bank CEO if they get bailed out, then you will never see another bailout....

[themission1428]

Ron Paul is too "unconventional" to be elected.

As much as I despise the bailouts, they were essential to stabilizing the economy. The compensation schemes at those banks encourage risk taking, because for them it's a coin flip scenario, heads I win and tails you lose. I guarantee if you confiscate the net worth of a bank CEO if they get bailed out, then you will never see another bailout....

Good point.

Isn't it amazing how suddenly they would do the right thing when their bonuses gets affected ?

Google "Republicans vote keep their own healthcare". Another hypocrisy of republicans (including Paul Ryan). They voted to have the best free healthcare but not for the American people. Look at the video where they deny they did, pretended as if they don't know anything about it, running away from the video and even one republican congressman pretended as if he was talking with someone on a cellphone. Lol....very funny but disappointing of who they are and what they will do IF they win the elections.

Even worse, they call themselves Christians and invoke Jesus. Speaking of hypocrisy of conservative Christians....Google "Ted Haggard George Bush Spiritual Adviser".

[Leroy]

Google "Republicans vote keep their own healthcare". Another hypocrisy of republicans (including Paul Ryan). They voted to have the best free healthcare but not for the American people. Look at the video where they deny they did, pretended as if they don't know anything about it, running away from the video and even one republican congressman pretended as if he was talking with someone on a cellphone. Lol....very funny but disappointing of who they are and what they will do IF they win the elections.

Even worse, they call themselves Christians and invoke Jesus. Speaking of hypocrisy of conservative Christians....Google "Ted Haggard George Bush Spiritual Adviser".

And just as bad, the Democrats did the same thing, and worse when they held the Majority for several years - and with a Democrat President they've become even more bold, more corrupt, more anti-American, but you keep ignoring that.

[themission1428]

Google "Republicans vote keep their own healthcare". Another hypocrisy of republicans (including Paul Ryan). They voted to have the best free healthcare but not for the American people. Look at the video where they deny they did, pretended as if they don't know anything about it, running away from the video and even one republican congressman pretended as if he was talking with someone on a cellphone. Lol....very funny but disappointing of who they are and what they will do IF they win the elections.

Even worse, they call themselves Christians and invoke Jesus. Speaking of hypocrisy of conservative Christians....Google "Ted Haggard George Bush Spiritual Adviser".

And just as bad, the Democrats did the same thing, and worse when they held the Majority for several years - and with a Democrat President they've become even more bold, more corrupt, more anti-American, but you keep ignoring that.

Really ? DEMOCRATS DID THE SAME THING AND WORSE.... really ? You just can't stop lying do you ?

Show me where Democrats denied health care to all Americans including policemen, firemen, senior citizens, women, retirees, teachers, etc while they vote on giving themselves healthcare free for life paid by taxpayers money ? Worse even lies about it when confronted...show me ?

Could there be worse than denying healthcare to policemen and firemen ? senior citizens ?

Could there be worse than Ted Haggar sucking cock and engaging in anal sex with a male prostitute while smoking meth and giving spiritual advise to George Bush ? Oh by the way, He was also a christian pastor with responsibility of overseeing more than a thousand churches.....lol...moral values republicans...

Hahaha....you just lie thru your teeth insulting the intelligence of the readers on this board. Show me something equal and worse and let the readers decide if it is equal or worse.

I bet you can't find nothing and once again you are expose lying here....

[Leroy]

TM1428, you really are a dishonest, lying, sack of shit, completely spewing lies and misdirection in order to defend the complete dishonesty of the Democrat machine/party.

You don't really understand what benefits the politicians already had and how repealing Obama Care didn't change what they had - you're following a distortion, supporting a misdirection, which is typical of you democrat idiots.

How come the democrats didn't repeal their "for life" benefits after "just 5 years of service" at any time in the past or today?

Seems to me that you're hoping people are as stupid as you are, that they don't really know about the Congressional benefits packages...

You keep showing just how dishonest you are in every reply you post.

[elklindo69]

Romney gets the state to force you to pay an additional tax.

Obama gets the federal government to force you to pay an additional tax.

Same shit different faces...

:x

[elklindo69]

^^ That was in regards to forced healthcare^^

[Leroy]

you might want to read about the factual differences between ObamaControl and RomneyCare.

[themission1428]

TM1428, you really are a dishonest, lying, sack of shit, completely spewing lies and misdirection in order to defend the complete dishonesty of the Democrat machine/party.

You don't really understand what benefits the politicians already had and how repealing Obama Care didn't change what they had - you're following a distortion, supporting a misdirection, which is typical of you democrat idiots.

How come the democrats didn't repeal their "for life" benefits after "just 5 years of service" at any time in the past or today?

Seems to me that you're hoping people are as stupid as you are, that they don't really know about the Congressional benefits packages...

You keep showing just how dishonest you are in every reply you post.

Bwahahaha....you couldn't answer my post when i asked you to back up your accusations.....seems to me you fall flat on your face again when readers would read this post.....

Is this you republican ? Ted Haggar sucking cock and having anal sex with a male prostitute while smoking crystal meth ? Ladies and gentlemen in case you are not familiar with Ted Haggar google his name. He was also the spiritual adviser of George Bush while he was in the white house.

Leroy's fellow republican is a CHRISTIAN pastor who preaches moralities and hates gays but he himself sucks cock of a male prostitute....Bwahaha ....what's the matter you can't find anything worse than him in the democrat party ?

You pastor sucks cock and fucks in the ass but on sunday preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ and give advice to George Bush. Bush who started two wars that are unfunded and did not include in the budget which made our deficit balloon.

You should be ashamed with you party who gives america a pastor who sucks cock and fucks in the ass. Remember Sen. Craig who got caught soliciting male sex in an airport ? Bwahahaha.....Your party worse than democrats....you are a christian LEroy ?

[Leroy]

Wow themission1428, it seems that you're not only a dishonest shit, but you're a Homophobic troll also.

Does it really matter what two consenting people do? Seems to me that the democrats and liberals/progressives have enough "sex" crimes to worry about on their own.

Interesting that you believe Gays should be crucified if they are Conservative/Republicans, but get a pass if they are Democrats/Liberals/Progressives.

I'm ashamed of one thing, that there are people like you, hypocrites, filled with hate, in the world that I live in.

[themission1428]

Wow themission1428, it seems that you're not only a dishonest shit, but you're a Homophobic troll also.

Does it really matter what two consenting people do? Seems to me that the democrats and liberals/progressives have enough "sex" crimes to worry about on their own.

Interesting that you believe Gays should be crucified if they are Conservative/Republicans, but get a pass if they are Democrats/Liberals/Progressives.

I'm ashamed of one thing, that there are people like you, hypocrites, filled with hate, in the world that I live in.

It's the hypocrisy that is the issue here not someone's sexual lifestyle. Ted Haggard started preaching Jesus and saying that homosexuality is a sin. When in fact he was sucking cock and being fucked in the ass by a male prostitute when nobody was watching him.

Don't use religion to manipulate or deceive people. Just be honest to admit that you are not a perfect and in the eyes of God you are a sinner. I think God will look at you favorably rather than sucking cock of a male prostitute and saying to other people that you have higher morals or ethics.

Is your republican Ted Haggard good example for christian kids here in the country ? Your own party is destroying the moral fiber of America. Sucking cock of a male prostitute while being married and having kids and lying about it weakens the moral fiber of America.

[Leroy]

Maybe Ted Haggard believes that being a homo IS a sin, but he chooses to live with that Sin, like many people live with sin in their lives - who are you to judge him without asking.

You don't really want to get into Moral Character do you? Hell, Clinton had NO MORAL CHARACTER, in fact, few politicians on either side do.

Don't you liberals/progressives claim that Prostitution should be legal? Don't you liberals/progressives fight against the Christian ideal of marriage, and support open marriage?

Seems that you're missing your own hypocrisy.

[themission1428]

Maybe Ted Haggard believes that being a homo IS a sin, but he chooses to live with that Sin, like many people live with sin in their lives - who are you to judge him without asking.

You don't really want to get into Moral Character do you? Hell, Clinton had NO MORAL CHARACTER, in fact, few politicians on either side do.

Don't you liberals/progressives claim that Prostitution should be legal? Don't you liberals/progressives fight against the Christian ideal of marriage, and support open marriage?

Seems that you're missing your own hypocrisy.

How's your Sen. Larry Craig soliciting gay sex in a public airport ? Bwahaha isn't he a Chrisian ? He sucks cocks like Ted Haggar ?

By the way, Larry Craig asked for his trip to that airport be reimburse because according to him going to that airport was part of his duties as a senator at that time....hahahah

Hey buddy....check this list of republican hypocriscy....

www.dccc.org/page/content/hhof/

The above is only for republican law makers. Yes, thats how long it is.

Here is a list of republican moral values hypocriscy

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples ... ral_values


Republicans just do it more and do it without conscience.....

[themission1428]

Maybe Ted Haggard believes that being a homo IS a sin, but he chooses to live with that Sin, like many people live with sin in their lives - who are you to judge him without asking.

You don't really want to get into Moral Character do you? Hell, Clinton had NO MORAL CHARACTER, in fact, few politicians on either side do.

Don't you liberals/progressives claim that Prostitution should be legal? Don't you liberals/progressives fight against the Christian ideal of marriage, and support open marriage?

Seems that you're missing your own hypocrisy.

You are pathetic man....is that the best that you can do ? Compare Clinton to your Ted Haggar ? lol.....

Look at the moral values hypocrisy of republicans link i posted above.....You will see republicans who are pedophiles, child molestors, rapist, adulterous, dead beat, assaulting their wives,tax fraud, engaged in BTK, etc.

And they love to use Jesus Christ and family moral values every time they run for election. Right....Ted Haggar sucks cock and does anal sex with a paid male prostitute while doing meth and you compare him with Clinton..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Read the list you bro....

[Leroy]

Look at the moral values hypocrisy of republicans link i posted above.....You will see republicans who are pedophiles, child molestors, rapist, adulterous, dead beat, assaulting their wives,tax fraud, engaged in BTK, etc.

And they love to use Jesus Christ and family moral values every time they run for election. Right....Ted Haggar sucks cock and does anal sex with a paid male prostitute while doing meth and you compare him with Clinton..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Read the list you bro....

You might want to look at the crimes of Democrats, far worse in number than those of Republicans.

I notice how you failed to respond to your own hypocrisy again.

[unknownhooligan]

Why engage in fruitless, pathetic arguments about which of the known evils is most evil? Why not have the guts to change the game and try something new. I personally would like to see a candidate who served his country in the military, like Ron Paul. I would like to see a politician who has remained married to the same woman and lived in the same, modest suburban home for most of his life, like Ron Paul. I would like to see a candidate who is not 'vapid' and self concerned, who has done something in his life besides run for office and make filthy big piles of money for doing nothing. Dr Paul has delivered over 4000 babies in his carees as a GP. That is an accomplishment. It also scares the hell out of the liberals because he will immediately move to make abortion a state's issue, not a federal one. I would like to have a politician who has never taken an all expense paid trip courtesy of a lobbyist. A politician who has earned every dime he ever got through honest, hard work instead of peddling his considerable influence.
I would also like to see a candidate who has the guts to stand up to the guidos who run the fed reserve and the shadow govt/military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about 30 years ago who is running things today.
But you are all afraid of real change. You'd rather argue about rather it is more honorable to receive a blowjob, or give one.

[Leroy]

unknownhooligan, I would like to see those things in a Candidate also, one that stood a chance of winning against anyone, but, Ron Paul is not a candidate that is without massive faults.

If you look closely, Romney is most of what you've asked for in a Candidate - very giving of his own self, time, money, he's been married ONCE and has children that don't seem to have been any real trouble. Romney has real experience working and running businesses and he has the education to back it up. He's religious, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make him generous as well as give him more morals and ethics than almost all of the politicians in DC currently. Romney has removed tax loopholes (meaning that more people pay more taxes), cut the state budget to counter short-falls, but he did enact a COMPLETELY BI-PARTISAN State Health Care program that is nothing like ObamaCare. Romney, as a young man, played some mean-spirited pranks on others, but he's apologized, in public even, for those actions - something we've never seen Obama do (much less any of the other politicians in DC).

The one thing missing from Romney's background is Military Service.

Ron Paul, while having Military Service (as a medical officer), is a Obstetrician by training.

Ron Paul has no history of running businesses and his Economic foundation is based on others works, as in he's studied and written his opinions on them, but he has no real experience in business. Paul moved from being an Obstetrician into Politics without any business experience, although he "Associated" with economists.

Ron Paul was a member of the House Banking Committee while the rules were being changed that lead to the current economic collapse we have now.

Ron Paul has made a point to complain about the corruption in the government, suggested that we should have smaller government, and proposed term limits more than once....

The only thing that Paul has done, other than being an Obstetrician or a Politician is partner with "Think Tanks" and other of the same type of businesses - businesses created by others.

In 22 years of Congressional service the ONLY legislation that Paul has had passed was " allowed for a federal customhouse to be sold to a local historic preservation society (H.R. 2121 in 2009)" - meaning that he was almost completely ineffective as a politician representing the people that elected him.

If you start looking at his statements and his news letters, the man is a NUT CASE, at least when you look at him from a rational point of view.

Most people don't know the real Ron Paul, they just know him for what the blogs tell you about him - but, if you did some real research, looked at legislation he wrote, looked at his news letters (actually read them), etc... you would find him a nut case too.

[unknownhooligan]

I have read excerpts from some of the commentary in those newsletters and also some of the statements in RP's press releases as well as the "personal message from Ron Paul" on his website and don't believe they were written by the same person.
I have a degree in communication with a minor in creative writing and have some expertise in the field. The writing style of RP is hard to miss. He uses short, rather choppy sentences and generally blunt statements. His prose is bone simple and to the point.
The writing attributed to him from an almost 30 yr old newsletter however is completely different. The author attmepts to be grandiose, omniscent and otherworldly, like he is a representative of God relaying the ultimate truth to the people.
RP on the other hand writes like a physician giving someone bad news. You can almost imagine ripping the bandage off to abbreviate the pain in his writing style.
Additionally, RP claims he lent his name to the publication without reading enough of the content and immediately withdrew his support upon becoming aware of the racist beliefs in said publication. I believe him, as it seems many people of color do. He has at least as large a following among minorities as any other candidate, even minority ones. My conclusion, Ron Paul did not write the imflammatory content in those newletters and is not racist.

[namngulfvet]

no matter what at this point in time all Ron Paul will do is pull votes from Mitt and succeeding in getting Obongo voted back in.

[Leroy]

My conclusion, Ron Paul did not write the imflammatory content in those newletters and is not racist.

You seem to have missed all the other things I mentioned about Ron Paul, that don't make him any more qualified than Obama.

[snakeoil]

Once again the comments have nothing to do with my OP. Of course, I doubt that anyone has read the book, I wonder if some of our trolls can even read. This is an important book; written by the person selected by Congress to give some oversight to the $700 billion TARP funds. The author was stopped in every way possible from doing his job by the unelected Washington hacks that populate our government. The sad part is that the Tarp funds (Remember...$700 Billion) became a $700 billion gift for the Wall Street criminals that got us into this mess we're in and Wall Street was called in to design the controls placed on the TARP funds..

[unknownhooligan]

I don't have to read it to understand the topic. I believe it to be accurate and it does nothing but strengthen my point. We need to scrap the current system and start over. Too bad we don't have the guts. Hell, it don't even need to be RP as long as we elect people who are not part of the problem. We could even just freeze all elections and install an extra administrative body to audit and oversight the existing system. We need to find out the full extent of the problems caused by these fucking politicians, all politicians and correct it before we hit the wall.

[Leroy]

It's interesting that the Obama administration has not prosecuted a single leader of any of the failed banks, but both Bush and Clinton went after bank fraud....

[snakeoil]

BTW-As to the comment about no one being sent to jail; the statute of limitations runs out on many of the offences committed by wall Street in 2013. But...they all got their bonuses didn't they.

[unknownhooligan]

Yer fuckin A they did. The politicians, the bankers and the stockbrokers all get paid. My solution would involve offing every friggin one of em. But, we could also freeze the whole system and turn the power over to the judicial branch, then investigate these fuckwads for a few years, find and expose all the skeletons in the closet and deal with them harshly, with extreme measures.
And while we're at it, we study the existing system and impose measures to prevent this happening again. History has proven again and again that corruption and chaos eventually infect any system.
"Every generation needs a new revolution.”- Thomas Jefferson