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By snakeoil
#104047
Robert Mueller just might teach Trump and Co. a lesson they will remember forever. This is a man raised in the Episcopalian faith and was raised to believe that telling a lie makes you undesirable in God's eyes. His accomplishments through life make Trump look like a grain of sand on the beach.

1. Graduate of Princeton.

2. Completed Marine ROTC at Princeton

3. Graduate of Marine OCS

4. Graduate of Army Ranger School

5. Graduate of Parachute Training

6. Volunteered for duty in Veit Nam

7. Recognized by the men he led in Veit Nam as a true leader and re3spected by his men to this day.

8. Won the Bronze Star with Valor for his actions in Veit Nam.

9. Went to law school after his Marine service and graduated with honors.

10. Became partner in one of the most prestigious law firms in the country and was recognized as a fine litigator.

11. Nominated and confirmed to run the FBI for a 10 year term..

12. Congress was asked to extend his term an additional 2 years and approved the extension with bipartisan support making him the longest serving FBI director since Hoover.

13. A life-long Republican, he has run his present assignment honorably with a reputation for running a leak-proof organisation.
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By namngulfvet
#104049
And what has any of this got do with Russia Collusion ?

You claim to have collage yet I have a dog smarter then you.. Education sometimes means nothing if you dont have the common sense to use it wisely.
By johnforbes
#104055
Snakeoil, you almost sound like you are describing my background.

Ranger and airborne training, I have those, and other stuff Mueller has, but what has that to do with the price of eggs?

Nothing.

Mueller is clearly NOT a lifelong Republican.

Were he, would he have selected ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DEMOCRATS for his team?

Why did he select 9 of 17 lawyers who DONATED TO HILLARY OR OBAMA?

Why?

The whole point of such an inquiry is to obtain a fair, neutral investigation which CAN BE ACCEPTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS FAIR AND NEUTRAL.

When you hire ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ONE PARTY, you DO NOT HAVE ANY POSSIBILITY OF OBTAINING A FAIR AND NEUTRAL INVESTIGATION.
By Clownkicker
#104061
johnny, you're the one who's always bringing up people's education and military service as if it gives them some special claim to integrity and credibility. Now all of a sudden you say it's irrelevant. :lol:

As to Mueller having a similar background to yours, you say that background has nothing to do with anything, so then why do you bring yours up all the time as though it gives your opinions weight somehow? What you are actually telling us by shrugging off Mueller's credentials is that no one should take you seriously because your background is irrelevant.

Okay, johnny, you've convinced me. Everything you say deserves to be scoffed at.
I, for one, am willing to do my part.
By Clownkicker
#104062
By the way, johnny, no pithy comment about this gem?

"You claim to have collage yet I have a dog smarter then you.."

Apparently namandgulf has a dog that he thinks has better taste in art "then" snake has?

Geez, everyone's a critic.
By johnforbes
#104063
You have to consider context.

Snakeoil's post was clearly taken from some Left Wing site seeking to bolster Mueller's credibility.

I'd be the first one to give Mueller the benefit of the doubt given his background, which -- like, ahem, that of some others -- is excellent.

But then Mueller showed he clearly changed whatever Repub leanings he once had.

Bear in mind Reagan was once a union Democrat.

Why did Mueller hire ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DEMOCRATS, MOST OF THEM SO PARTISAN THEY DONATEDD TO OBAMA OR HILLARY?

Why?
By snakeoil
#104077
This from Politifact

(quote]The Special Counsel’s office had made public the identities of 17 attorney staff members through March 21. Their backgrounds are summarized here.

Through public records, we were able to independently confirm that at least 12 people on Mueller’s staff are registered Democrats.

They ones we confirmed are Greg Andres, Rush Atkinson, Ryan Dickey, Michael Dreeben, Kyle Freeny, Andrew Goldstein, Adam Jed, Elizabeth Prelogar, James Quarles, Jeannie Rhee, Brandon Van Grack, and Andrew Weissmann.

Another member of Mueller’s team -- Aaron Zelinsky -- has been reported to be a registered Democrat by both the Washington Post and the Daily Caller. The Daily Caller also reported that Zelinsky wrote, "I’m a Democrat," in a Huffington Post column supporting same-sex marriage in November 2012.

In the meantime, we were able to independently confirm that two other members of Mueller’s staff -- Scott Meisler and Aaron Zebley -- are registered to vote but have not chosen a party affiliation. We were unable to independently confirm the status of two other staff members, Zainab Ahmad and Brian M. Richardson. According to the Daily Caller, Ahmad "appears to have registered as a Republican at the age of 18, but has since changed her registration status to unaffiliated."

We’ll also note that in the jurisdictions in which the Mueller lawyers live -- primarily the District of Columbia, Maryland and New York -- the Democrats are the dominant party, meaning that many races are effectively decided in Democratic primaries rather than in the general election.

However, Trump’s assertion that there are no Republicans on the team is undercut by the fact that its leader is Mueller, who is registered as a Republican in the District of Columbia.

Mueller was appointed to offices by Republican presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, as well as by Democrats Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. In addition, Mueller was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, who was nominated for deputy attorney general by Trump himself, and who previously was appointed as a U.S. Attorney by George W. Bush (and later kept on by Obama). The Daily Caller has also reported that Mueller has occasionally donated to Republicans in both statewide and national races.

Fox News has referred to Mueller as the "only known Republican" on the team. It’s worth noting the importance of the word "known," since other FBI or Justice Department personnel are assisting the investigation in certain capacities. The names of investigative and office support personnel have not been made public, the Special Counsel’s office told PolitiFact.

James D. Robenalt, a Cleveland lawyer who runs a continuing legal education class on Watergate and its lessons, said that FBI agents in particular are likely helping gather evidence.

Agents "come in all political stripes, though most are not active politically," Robenalt said. "FBI agents, as most law enforcement, tend to be conservative, law-and-order types, so my guess is most would tend to be Republicans or conservative Democrats or just plain Independents."

So Trump is using some sleight-of-hand to say that there are "zero Republicans" on Mueller’s team. The team is led by a registered Republican, and there may be other registered Republicans working with Mueller whose identities the public simply doesn’t know about.
How many team members supported Clinton?

Trump has a point here, too, but it’s worth keeping the scale of the donations in context.

Two of the 13 publicly known Mueller staffers donated what might be characterized as "big" sums to Clinton’s 2016 campaign -- Quarles, with $2,700, and Rhee, with $5,400. During the 2016 campaign cycle, $2,700 was the maximum donation an individual could make to a campaign. Such a donation could be made twice -- once for the primary campaign and then again for the general election.

A third member of the team, Weissmann, donated $2,300 to Clinton, but that was in 2007, when she was making her first presidential run. (The Daily Caller separately reported that he attended Clinton’s election-night party in 2016.)

Three other team members donated smaller amounts: $250 by Freeny and Prelogar, and $200 by Atkinson.
Does Mueller’s team have ‘13 hardened Democrats"?

How you define "hardened" is a judgment call. But if you measure by campaign donations, the point is overblown. Seven of the registered Democrats have no record of writing checks to federal candidates.

Based on federal disclosure data, Quarles is easily the most generous donor on the team, giving in excess of $35,000 over the better part of two decades. Most of these donations went to Democratic candidates or entities, but it’s worth noting that Quarles also made two donations totaling $2,750 to Republicans -- former Virginia Gov. George Allen and former Rep. Jason Chaffetz. He was the only team member to give donations to federal Republican candidates.

The second-most generous team member was Rhee, who gave $11,950 to Democrats in federal races. Weissman ranked third, with $6,600, followed by Andres and Goldstein, both of whom gave in the mid-$3,000 range.

Freeny, Prelogar, Van Grack and Atkinson also gave money in federal races, with donations from $200 to $800.

The Daily Caller found additional donations totaling a little less than $12,000 in state and local races by eight of the staff members. These donations were to Democrats.

So the donor on the team who gave the most money is also the only one to donate to Republican candidates as well. Four other staff members gave between $3,000 and $12,000 over a span of several years, four more gave donations only in the hundreds of dollars, and seven more didn’t give any money at all in federal races.
How much do these affiliations matter?

Mueller’s team has the legal right to register to vote with a party or by making personal donations. Such activities are protected under the Hatch Act, originally passed in 1939.

It’s also important to note that Mueller was prevented from considering political affiliation when putting together his team.

Both Justice Department policy and the Civil Service Reform Act "prohibit using political affiliation and may also prohibit using certain ideological affiliations in hiring and taking other personnel actions with regard to career attorneys," the department’s inspector general has written.

Moreover, the career attorneys on the Mueller team are bound by professional codes to pursue justice and rise above partisanship.

Every federal employee swears an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States" and "bear true faith and allegiance to the same." Lawyers practicing in the federal courts swear a separate oath "that as an attorney and as a counselor of this court, I will conduct myself uprightly and according to law, and that I will support the Constitution of the United States."

Brett Kappel, an attorney specializing in political law and government ethics at the firm Akerman LLP, said that in his experience, "Justice Department lawyers tend to skew towards the Democrats while FBI agents are overwhelmingly Republican. Both of them take an oath to dispense justice without fear or favor with regard to political party, and I’ve never seen anyone from either group act in a partisan way."

"I don’t think one should ever ask about party affiliation when it comes to prosecutors," Robenalt added. "They come in all stripes. The question is whether they are qualified — and as I understand it, the team assembled is highly qualified."

Robenalt said he wouldn’t advise young Justice Department lawyers to voluntarily eschew all political activity today for fear of getting attacked if they one day join a politically charged investigation.
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"It is a First Amendment right and crucial to our democracy," he said. "My guess is most will stay away from politics, but our country was built on the idea of freedom of belief and expression."

One final point worth remembering is Trump's own history of donations to Clinton's U.S. Senate campaign (five, worth $4,100) and first presidential campaign (two, worth $2,300, though they were refunded in 2009.)
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Trump tweeted that Mueller’s team has "13 hardened Democrats, some big Crooked Hillary supporters, and Zero Republicans."

Mueller’s team does have 13 registered Democrats and no registered Republicans, and several team members made donations to Clinton’s campaign in various amounts.

However, Trump leaves out a crucial registered Republican — Mueller himself — and glosses over the fact that we don’t know the identities, or the partisan affiliation, of other Justice Department or FBI staff who are working with the investigation. It’s also questionable to say that the multiple non-donors are "hardened" Democrats.[/quote]

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By snakeoil
#104078
BTW...All of this info is in this month's issue of Wired Magazine which is owned by Conde Nast, definitely not a liberal rag or website.
By johnforbes
#104079
Politifact is, of course, NOT a neutral or objective site.

Like most "fact checker" sites, it leans to the Left and is highly biased.

The simple fact remains that ALL of Mueller's staff picks are Democrats, and 9 of his 17 lawyers are so partisan they actually donated money to Obama or Hillary.

Would it be fair if ALL OF MUELLER's STAFF donated to Repubs?

Of course not, but the opposite is deemed by Democrats as fair.
By Clownkicker
#104083
johnny, give us a fact checking website that you believe is "neutral" and "objective". :lol:
You must have one or else you're admitting that conservatives can't do any better what you belittle liberals for doing.

If you can't name one, then your criticism is meaningless. Check the facts yourself and if you find an error, say so. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who says it if it's true. You can't simply shrug it off if it's true.
Nothing in snake's post is even debatable. It is all verifiably true with the possible exception of #13 on the list, which contains some opinion.

As to Republicans on Mueller's staff, aside from the fact that he couldn't legally ask party affiliation when hiring, Republicans on the staff would only have ensured that there would be l e a k s to the White House and/or the press.

That would guarantee that an impartial investigation was impossible. Look what the Republicans did in the House Intelligence Committee before they closed their investigation. It was blatantly partisan and incomplete. So obviously Republicans add nothing to any investigation just by virtue of their party affiliation.

As it is, you have your panties in a bunch over something you know nothing about, because NOBODY knows anything about what is going on inside the Mueller investigation beyond those who have been questioned.
The only way you can evaluate whether the investigation was fair will be to read the conclusions of the Special Cousel when they are released.
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By RealJustme
#104103
I forgot, he also won a Purple heart for his wounds in Viet Nam.
Mueller is another John Kerry who betrayed his fellow soldiers then used his short time in the military to try and pretend he was a hero. He was given participation medals and like Kerry put himself in for a purple heart. :lol:
By Clownkicker
#104107
^^^^^ More made up stupid shit from "The Tool".

Wait till namandgulfdumbfuck reads that. He'll piss himself right in front of us. :lol: :lol: :lol:
By snakeoil
#104109
That's a new low for you Justme. Mueller served within 10 miles of the DMZ separating North and South Veit Nam. He was shot through the thigh with the bullet from an AK-47. He recuperated in Okinawa for 6 weeks and returned to his unit to serve out his tour. He did not put himself in for the Purple Heart. After his tour he was given a desk job in the states but he didn't like the tedium of it and returned to civilian life after his discharge.
By Clownkicker
#104110
It's incredible that these conservatives have the gall to insist that vets who were in a war zone have an automatic right to respect, yet they don't hesitate to tear down any vet they don't happen to like, even (or especially) if he belongs to their own party, as Mueller does.

They are still insulting John McCain, and not just for his politics. They (including the President) actually insult his years of being tortured as a P.O.W. of all things and denigrate his understandable opposition to past CIA torture policies. Just unbelievable. They have nothing but contempt for vets they don't happen to like.

RealTool is proof they will not hesitate to simply lie in order to drag a vet through the mud purely for partisan political purposes.
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By RealJustme
#104113
That's a new low for you Justme. Mueller served within 10 miles of the DMZ separating North and South Veit Nam. He was shot through the thigh with the bullet from an AK-47. He recuperated in Okinawa for 6 weeks and returned to his unit to serve out his tour. He did not put himself in for the Purple Heart. After his tour he was given a desk job in the states but he didn't like the tedium of it and returned to civilian life after his discharge.
Mueller was stationed in Hawaii, when they sent him to combat his leg was grazed by a bullet (self inflicted?), the wound was minor and within a month he was completely healed, Mueller joked that he thought at least he would be sent to a hospital ship and be on his way home, he was then sent to a desk job at Marine headquarters in Arlington, Virginia where he filed reports until he was granted an early out to attend law school. Mueller blames his wife for not letting him return to combat. The dude didn't even complete his tour of service, it was all resume building, John Kerry followed his lead.

Mueller was in a combat zone for a few months, suffered a leg injury and fled to a desk job at HQ's then requested a early release from service. Most soldiers completed their whole tours of duty, he didn't. Now that we put the libtard's diversion that Mueller is a war hero and therefor Trump is guilty aside, Mueller has proven he's a partisan hack on a witch hunt.
By johnforbes
#104120
Only one conclusion is possible here.

Snakeoil and Clownslacker respect me fully because my resume is so very like that of the person they purport to admire and respect.

Thus, they believe each and every word I say is true.

Is that true?

Of course not.

They only cite Mueller's resume because they hate Trump, but they know very well that Mueller is NOT a Republican (if he ever really was) and that he hired ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DEMOCRATS in an investigation where it was crucial that the result be respected by all Americans.

But Mueller made that impossible by proceeding in a pro-Left fashion.
By Clownkicker
#104122
johnny, respecting Mueller "fully" and respecting his service are two different things.

We are simply pointing out that RealTool is lying about Mueller's service for partisan political purposes to smear Mueller.

If he were lying about your service I would call him out in just the same way because I don't like lies or liars.

I don't need to respect your or Mueller's politics to be disgusted with RealTool's behavior.

And again, YOU, not I, are the one always holding up the fact of a person's military service as if it's relevant to their political integrity and credibility. I have never done that, and in fact have said just the opposite, so your silly conclusion about necessarily believing every word you or Mueller say is as faulty as all your failed attempts at logic.

That's what comes of starting your logical reasoning with a faulty premise.
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By RealJustme
#104128
We are simply pointing out that RealTool is lying about Mueller's service for partisan political purposes to smear Mueller.
Mueller used the military to build his resume, he stuck his head in, got the title, then got out, nothing wrong with that but that doesn't make him a hero or prove he's knows what he's doing on the Russia investigation. I would have had more respect for his service if he had finished the 4 years to repay the military for the education they invested in him. Millions who served in the military did FAR more than he did. Just like Kerry, libtards all of sudden claim a person who was in the military is a hero that can't be questioned. He did a few months in a combat zone, left the combat zone early, spent the rest of his time behind a desk at HQ's, then got out of the military early, just like Kerry, tell it like it is.
By Clownkicker
#104129
Nobody claimed Mueller was a hero, Tool.

Why is it you can't say even the simplest things without making up stupid shit about it?


"left the combat zone early" :lol: :lol: Criminy...

Yeah, that can happen when you're shot, dummy.

He can't help that they transferred him to a desk afterwards.
By snakeoil
#104130
This conversation is going into an area it shouldn't. My post to Justme was about him verbally abusing a veteran who served honorably and was wounded. I don't not feel that abuse of ANY veteran is warranted. I have never heard of Mueller touting his military service and, to this day, his men respect him and honor him.

I am a veteran but I don't beat people over the head with that fact. I often tell people, "the military owes me nothing, I got more out of it than they did." I owe much of my success in my life after my service to the lessons I learned in the military.
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By RealJustme
#104131
I am a veteran but I don't beat people over the head with that fact.
So am I, did two combat tours and completed my WHOLE 6 year tour to repay the military for my education and training. Mueller left the military after less than 2 years service although they put him through 4 years of college (Was he chaptered out?) I saw people like Mueller that used flesh wounds as a way out, just like Kerry did, both went to plush desk jobs then got out early while leaving the rest of us behind to continue the fight. A flesh wound to the leg was the most often self inflicted wound, they called it a ticket home. We all know Kerry did it and now knowing Mueller, I highly suspect he did too. I don't believe a word out of his mouth.
By elklindo69
#104134
So Trump has eroded some conservatard GOP support for Mueller’s investigation. However, democrat and independent support is untouched.

So miniscule the Trump gains will be obliterated instantly when Mueller MOABs Trump and his treason team with the truth.
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By RealJustme
#104135
So miniscule the Trump gains will be obliterated instantly when Mueller MOABs Trump and his treason team with the truth.
Keep dreaming, within two weeks the DOJ IG report is going to be released, now that was a REAL investigation, Mueller is on a witch hunt. He can't even say what crime he's investigating.
By Clownkicker
#104138
"...did two combat tours and completed my WHOLE 6 year tour to repay the military for my education and training."

You clearly overpaid for the "education", Tool.
By johnforbes
#104143
But the irony here is rich.

The Left has no respect for Vietnam veterans, and is only pretending to respect Mueller because he hired all Democrats and clearly has run a very partisan "investigation."

If Mueller was ever a Republican, he clearly changed over the years.

Which would be fine were it not for the fact that he loaded up his staff with people who proved their partisanship by actually donating to Obama/Hillary.

AMERICA NEEDED A FAIR, NEUTRAL INVESTIGATION, but instead got a partisan witch hunt apparently started by Brennan, Clapper, and other Deep State Democrats looking to stop Trump.
By Clownkicker
#104151
But the irony here is rich.

The Right claims to respect Vietnam veterans, but the Right invariably throws them all under the bus as soon as they start to disagree with anything the veteran does. Meanwhile (and here's the irony) they cheer a five-time draft dodger as their example of military virtue. They attack and smear the winner of a bronze star as if it indicates nothing important about the man, but applaud a loud-mouthed huckster who's big achievement at that time was, in his own words, characterizing his success at avoiding sexually transmitted diseases while dating numerous women in the 1980s as “my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”somehow avoiding STDs.
What courage! What fortitude exhibited in dire times!

If Mueller was not a Republican his entire life, why would he spend his life as a registered Republican?

AMERICA NEEDED A FAIR, NEUTRAL INVESTIGATION, but instead the Right is labeling it a partisan witch hunt without having the slightest evidence for such a claim. They are also unable to point to any wrongdoing or partisanship in the investigation. They believe if they spout crazy conspiracy theories that the bulk of America will believe in their "Deep State" partisan propaganda.
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By RealJustme
#104157
Mueller lost all credibility when he didn't wash his hands of the investigation when learned the DNC and Hillary paid for the document that kicked off the investigation, headed by an attorney and lead investigator who talked of taking out insurance on Trump if elected then headed Mueller's investigation once he was elected. If Mueller had any integrity or ethics he would have washed his hands of the investigation and walked away...since he didn't it tells me all I need to know about him.
By elklindo69
#104159
Here's a sampling of what Trump doesn't want everybody to see...

Donnie Jr meeting with Russian spies.

Cohen meeting with Russian spies.

Erik Prince meeting with Russian spies.

All caught lying about meeting with Russian spies.

Roger Stone contact with Russian hackers.
By johnforbes
#104168
Come on, Elkin, you shouldn't be so dishonest.

That Russian lady lawyer came from Fusion GPS, met briefly with Trump Jr, then rushed back to Fusion GPS to meet with them again.

That smacks of a total setup.

Besides, the meeting was simply about adoption.

As to gathering dirt, Hillary PAID TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS to Fusion for the fake dossier.
By snakeoil
#104441
Re; All of the Democrats on Mueller's team. Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller-are Republicans, so apparently the "Democratic Witch Hunt Team" was picked by Republicans. Maybe, just maybe, these Republicans decided to pick the most qualified to do the job.
By johnforbes
#104443
Snakeoil, I know you have incredibly high respect for my opinions because my resume is so much like Mueller's.

Thus, I will note that Mueller and Rosenstein, if they ever were technically Republicans by virtue of some voter registration early in their lives (and is there even any evidence of that?), are clearly now liberal Democrats affirmatively seeking to attack Republicans.

Re Rosenstein, he worked in Maryland, which only once in a generation elects a Republican. It is a very solid Democrat state. Pelosi's family were corrupt Democrats in Baltimore long before she brought her "insights" to D.C.

Sessions is a Republican, of course, but he remains a complete puzzle in this whole mess. Unless he needs testosterone supplements, he has been silent in the face of the biggest scandal in American political history, to wit:

1) Nobody can deny Hillary contravened 18 USC 793 at very least, but she was protected with a sham investigation where they were drafting her exoneration before 17 witnesses, and her, had even been interviewed. The partisan Strzok was involved in that whole mess.

2) A fake dossier Hillary paid 12 million for was used as the main basis to get a FISA warrant to wiretap Trump. This is corruption at a breathtaking level, and it should shock everyone regardless of party.
By Clownkicker
#104456
johnforbes' only argument is that Trump and the Republican Party are so stupid and so inept that they are incapable of recognizing an actual Republican when appointing someone to high-level government posts.

And more than that, when an actual Republican somehow manages to slip past them and be appointed to a post, the real Republican mysteriously refuses to do the job.

Quite the endorsement, johnny. :lol:

Your Republican Party at work...

Criminy, you conservatard clowns are hilarious.
By sillydaddy
#104457
Mueller is not refusing to do his job...He is failing at what he thinks is his job.
that of destroying the Trump administration...spending millions filing indictments,
making charges and then requesting trial delays..so obviously failing ...
The liberal media are becoming the only ones left saying it's not a witch hunt...!

Collusion with Russians?? Where is the evidence....? The media had long preached Trump just
threw his campaign together lacking the efficiency and organization of the Clinton campaign..
Total chaos they said..! :lol:

Now we are suppose to believe that Trump so well created a maze of collusion
in just a few months, so complicated and buried it so deep,
that even an expert investigator like Mueller could take years to unravel?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
By Clownkicker
#104458
First of all, sillydummy, johnforbes said SESSIONS is refusing to do his job, not Mueller.

Second of all, the evidence for collusion with Russia still hasn't been l e a k e d, so the evidence is with Mueller, dummy.

Thirdly, Trump's whole life is a maze of collusion. He has (at the very least) skirted the edges of legality for decades. He had also been dealing with Russia for years already, so he didn't need to come up with some new "maze of collusion" did he.
And it isn't "buried so deep". That's why it's all over the news for the past two years.
By Clownkicker
#104462
It's even more outrageous because Trump lied to us in 2015 about the trips he would take.

“I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,”
"I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off.”
“You don’t have time to take time off,” --Trump

He also told us he "would never lie to [us]" :shock:
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By RealJustme
#104463
Playing a round of golf isn't a vacation :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anything to distract from Mueller and his failed witch hunt.
By snakeoil
#104466
Distract from the Mueller investigation? You have to be kidding! Everythim that Grifter-In-Chief goes to Mar-A-Lago he makes a fortune off of the US (that's you, by the way.) the Secret Service has to rent accommodations for his protective services, they have to rent golf carts for when he plays golf, they have to feed the Secret Service, the transportation costs are sky high, all of the people that travel with Grifter-In-Chief have to rent accommodations that are paid for by the government. U.S. Marshalls have to be present in force to restrict citizen access to Grifter-In-Chief in case someone wants to take a shot at him, vehicles have to be rented for personnel and the Secret Service. any services that are provided by Mar-A-0Lago that are used by Government personnel are paid for by the US Government.

I have a friend that is a US Marshall, he wouldn't elaborate by he said that we don't know the half of it.
By Clownkicker
#104469
"Playing a round of golf isn't a vacation"-RealTool

So what about how he said he would rarely leave the White House because of all the work that needed to be done?
Or how he would not be a president that takes time off?
And what about how there isn't time to take time off, Tool?

For some reason you just skim over the vast majority of his statements and only focus on one debatable minor technicality of what he said. :lol: :lol: :lol:
By sillydaddy
#104472
I guess he thought it was going to take more of his time than it has... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
By Clownkicker
#104480
Wow, you have a rump ranger tab? :o


I thought I made it quite clear that I agreed with you, johnny, that Trump and the Republican Party are so stupid and so inept that they are incapable of recognizing an actual Republican when appointing someone to high-level government posts.

And more than that, when an actual Republican somehow manages to slip past them and be appointed to a post, the real Republican mysteriously refuses to do the job.

I'm just surprised you finally came around to my way of thinking about those losers.
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By RealJustme
#104481
Everythim that Grifter-In-Chief goes to Mar-A-Lago he makes a fortune off of the US (that's you, by the way.) the Secret Service has to rent accommodations for his protective services, they have to rent golf carts for when he plays golf, they have to feed the Secret Service, the transportation costs are sky high, all of the people that travel with Grifter-In-Chief have to rent accommodations that are paid for by the government.
So you're saying Obama picked up those bills during his two weeks in Hawaii and the Hamptons every year? Strange since he even had his mother in law on the White House salary list and Trump isn't taking a penny in salary. Thanks for setting me straight on who watched out for our money snake. :D
By snakeoil
#104487
Obama's travel in eight years:

$96.9 million

Highlights from documents obtained by Judicial Watch:

• Secret Service records show Obama's April 2015 Earth Day trip to give a global warming speech in the Everglades cost taxpayers $145,752.36, making the total cost of the trip at least $1,012,367.76.

• Air Force records regarding Michelle Obama's trip to Morocco, Spain and Liberia with her daughters in June 2016 revealed $450,026.40 in flight expenses alone. A C-32A was flown for 28.4 hours.

• Air Force records show that the Obamas' August 2016 vacation to Martha's Vineyard cost taxpayers $450,295 in flight expenses alone.

• CNN notes that a GAO report about a four-day trip Obama took to Florida in 2013 — one similar to Trump's trips — found the total cost to the Secret Service and Coast Guard was $3.6 million.

Trump's travel in 88 days:

$21 million

• Trump is on pace in his first year of office to approach Obama's spending on travel for his entire eight years, according to CNN's estimates.

• His Easter weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago, his private club in Florida, was his seventh visit there in 13 weekends since taking office.

• Estimates of the cost of trips to Mar-a-Lago hover around $3 million per weekend, which would mean $21 million was burned in Trump's first months in office.

• The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office has spent $3.5 million since the election, including $1.5 million for the Chinese president's visit, which attracted a couple of thousand demonstrators.
This article is a bit dated but you get the jist. PLUS...GRIFTER-iN-cHIEF IS MAKING BIG BUCKS OFF OF HIS TRIPS.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns ... ns/2320612" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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By namngulfvet
#104489
snakeoil wrote:
Obama's travel in eight years:

$96.9 million

Highlights from documents obtained by Judicial Watch:

• Secret Service records show Obama's April 2015 Earth Day trip to give a global warming speech in the Everglades cost taxpayers $145,752.36, making the total cost of the trip at least $1,012,367.76.

• Air Force records regarding Michelle Obama's trip to Morocco, Spain and Liberia with her daughters in June 2016 revealed $450,026.40 in flight expenses alone. A C-32A was flown for 28.4 hours.

• Air Force records show that the Obamas' August 2016 vacation to Martha's Vineyard cost taxpayers $450,295 in flight expenses alone.

• CNN notes that a GAO report about a four-day trip Obama took to Florida in 2013 — one similar to Trump's trips — found the total cost to the Secret Service and Coast Guard was $3.6 million.

Trump's travel in 88 days:

$21 million

• Trump is on pace in his first year of office to approach Obama's spending on travel for his entire eight years, according to CNN's estimates.

• His Easter weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago, his private club in Florida, was his seventh visit there in 13 weekends since taking office.

• Estimates of the cost of trips to Mar-a-Lago hover around $3 million per weekend, which would mean $21 million was burned in Trump's first months in office.

• The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office has spent $3.5 million since the election, including $1.5 million for the Chinese president's visit, which attracted a couple of thousand demonstrators.
This article is a bit dated but you get the jist. PLUS...GRIFTER-iN-cHIEF IS MAKING BIG BUCKS OFF OF HIS TRIPS.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns ... ns/2320612" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Tampa Bay Times.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: A left leaning liberal rag..

Ojackass went into the Black House with 7 million and walked out with over 12 million..
By Clownkicker
#104490
WHAT?! Obama made $5 million while President?! Shocking!

Do you have some point bringing that up, namandgulfdumbfuck?

(Let's watch as namandgulf desperately attempts to do some grade school math. :o :lol: :lol: :lol:)
By johnforbes
#104491
Calling Trump a "grifter" is just absurd.

Obama came to the WH with less than 1 million in net worth, and his financial disclosures proved that.

Trump came in worth somewhere between 4 billion (BILLION) and 10 billion.

So who had motivation to get money from the taxpayer more?

Come on, Trump waived $400,000 in salary every year, which is far more than Snakeoil and Clownslacker combined ever raked in.
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