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By elklindo69
#101457
China has increased tariffs by up to 25 percent on 128 U.S. products, from frozen pork and wine to certain fruits and nuts, escalating a dispute between the world's biggest economies in response to U.S. duties on imports of aluminum and steel.

The tariffs, to take effect on Monday, were announced late on Sunday by China's finance ministry and matched a list of possible tariffs on up to $3 billion in U.S. goods published by China on March 23.
By Clownkicker
#101460
And look what it did to the markets today.

I don't know about you, but I'm definitely "tired of winning so much" with Trump.

Now let's watch the conservatards here blame Obama instead of Trump for this completely avoidable trade war.
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By namngulfvet
#101467
Of course China is pissed. Ojackass sent them tons of work putting their population to work.. Trump now is turning the tables on China and the libs dont like it.. Libs would rather screw America then make it better and stronger.. Look at Asshole licking clown who is nothing more then blow job factory for his union. with Elk catching the drippings
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By namngulfvet
#101476
elklindo69 wrote:Obama was a proponent of the TPP. Which was a trade agreement to get leverage against China.

But Trump dropped out of that as well.
And theres Elks laying down to catch the cum droppings ;) ;) ;) ;) :lol: :lol:
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By RealJustme
#101480
The tariffs, to take effect on Monday, were announced late on Sunday by China's finance ministry and matched a list of possible tariffs on up to $3 billion in U.S. goods published by China on March 23.
Let's see Trump puts $30 billion in tariffs on China and they in turn put $3 billion on us. We win, the art of the deal!
By Clownkicker
#101481
"As to markets, they tend to go up, or down, or sideways."-johnfoibles

Sure, but they always and predictably go down with the implementation of trade policies that negatively impact earnings and growth.

And those policies can be clearly attributed to Trump without any debate. He actually brags about putting them in place.
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By namngulfvet
#101482
Clownkicker wrote:"As to markets, they tend to go up, or down, or sideways."-johnfoibles

Sure, but they always and predictably go down with the implementation of trade policies that negatively impact earnings and growth.

And those policies can be clearly attributed to Trump without any debate. He actually brags about putting them in place.
Thats good. you watch hes going to bring them to the table to renegotiate.

If Ojackass would have leveled the playing filed to began with we wouldn't be here in the first palace. But then again Ojackass only knew how to be a community organizer and a great divider but nothing else
By johnforbes
#101498
The U.S. has been on the losing end of a trade war for 30 or 40 years.

Trump plans to have the U.S. at least getting something out of it.

As to the markets, I keep hearing that first quarter corporate profits will be pretty good.

It that pans out, markets will be fine over the long haul.

We are very much overdue for a bad year or more in the stock market, and if we get that it will be an opportunity to buy stocks at more reasonable prices.

Whether the market is up, down, or sideways, I dollar-cost average new money in every month anyhow.
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By RealJustme
#101500
Sure, but they always and predictably go down with the implementation of trade policies that negatively impact earnings and growth.
Facebook caught spying on users and then selling their information and Tesla being exposed as a scam who's been taking investors for a ride has more to do it than Trump improving our trade policies.
By snakeoil
#101501
I see that the TPP was mentioned again. This was so so bad for the USA that our Imitation President decided to drop out. I wonder how many really know what is in the pact?
The agreement cuts over 18,000 tariffs.[79] Tariffs on all U.S. manufactured goods and almost all U.S. farm products would be eliminated completely, with most eliminations occurring immediately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Damn, that sure sounds like a win to me. Cut all tariffs on USA manufactured goods!
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By RealJustme
#101503
While the U.S. Trade Representative BOASTS of 18,000 tariff cuts for American exporters, the economic significance of many of these to U.S. producers were next to nothing. For example, tropical, impoverished Vietnam eliminated tariffs on skis, snowplows, and caviar, while predominantly Muslim Brunei and Malaysia eliminated tariffs on pork. In fact, in more than half of the 18,000 categories, the U.S. exported NOTHING to TPP nations last year; for many of the remaining 7,500 categories, American exporters sold very small amounts but imported large amount. American producers were at a comparative disadvantage. But you still have those who BOAST of the 18,000 tariff cuts but ignore they were only free handouts to other countries while costing our consumers more money.
By Clownkicker
#101504
Let's put it this way, johnny....

RealTool is on record predicting the economy is going to grow at 4% by the end of the year.
I'll give you three-to-one that it won't.

It will be miracle if growth hits 3% now despite what Trump idiotically told the children at the Easter Egg Roll is the most remarkable economy we've ever seen. Even the Easter Bunny was dumbfounded by his idiotic fumbling speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhgn03mXD-A
(Notice Trump doesn't even know the name of "The White House" :shock: What is wrong with him?)
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By RealJustme
#101505
RealTool is on record predicting the economy is going to grow at 4% by the end of the year.
I'll give you three-to-one that it won't.
You've got more faith in Trump than I thought you did. I would have given 1,000 to one that under Obama it would have never hit 3%. Obama ranks dead last for the worst economy amongst every president post-WWII. Reagan 3.5 percent, Carter 3.3 percent, Eisenhower 3.0 percent, (post-WWII average of 2.9 percent) Nixon 2.8 percent, Ford 2.6 percent, Bush 41 2.3 percent, Bush 43 2.1 percent, Truman 1.7 percent, Obama 1.5 percent.

Obama averaged 1.5% during his 8 years in office and it was averaging 2.1% when he took over a President. Trump has double the growth in just one year and he has seven more to go, he will hit 4% and beyond.
By johnforbes
#101506
I think there is a decent shot at 4 percent growth by the very end of this year.

Either way, as an investor I try to control the limited things I can control.

So, every day, I do my situps, pushups, lift the barbells, and do aerobic exercise.

And, every month, I DCA in new money.

Although I play on the edges, I'm always core invested with a global perspective at about 60 to 75 percent equity.
By Clownkicker
#101508
Tool, we're talking about Trump and tariffs here. Not Obama.
If that isn't clear to you, try reading the thread title.

Obama is not President. Trump is. Trump wasn't handed a "Great Recession" was he. Live with it.

But when Trump manages to foul up this economy with his trade wars, all of us will have to live with it.
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By namngulfvet
#101509
Clownkicker wrote:Tool, we're talking about Trump and tariffs here. Not Obama.
If that isn't clear to you, try reading the thread title.

Obama is not President. Trump is. Trump wasn't handed a "Great Recession" was he. Live with it.

But when Trump manages to foul up this economy with his trade wars, all of us will have to live with it.
Oh but it is about Ojackass!
If you were in the process of doing a major remodel and some contractor came in and fucked up all your plumbing, all your electrical. to a point you had to fire him. the new contractor would have to come in and redo it all..

Ojacakss fucked up everything he touched. now Trump is having to repair it all from the ground up.. If you got your head out of denial maybe you could see that..
By johnforbes
#101514
Come on, Elkin, you know how to read?

Nobody is "claiming" that before the fact, but people are naturally beginning to hope for growth.

Except for Democrats, of course, who aspire to stagnation.
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By RealJustme
#101516
2018: 2.7%
2019: 2.4%
2020: 2.0%

And now Trumptards are claiming 4% GDP growth?
WOW, the same people who predicted 3.4% GDP for Obama's last two years in office but he only reach 1.5% are now saying Trump can't reach 4% and Elk gives that as proof Trump can't do it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
By elklindo69
#101526
RealJustme wrote:
2018: 2.7%
2019: 2.4%
2020: 2.0%

And now Trumptards are claiming 4% GDP growth?
WOW, the same people who predicted 3.4% GDP for Obama's last two years in office but he only reach 1.5% are now saying Trump can't reach 4% and Elk gives that as proof Trump can't do it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Who predicted 3.4% GDP growth? The FOMC?

According to FOMC 2015 and 2016 growth rates were projected to be 2.1 and 2.4% as of Dec 2015.

1Q 2018 GDP is projected to be about 3% so how do you figure 4%?

https://www.frbatlanta.org/-/media/docu ... Slides.pdf
By elklindo69
#101527
johnforbes wrote:Come on, Elkin, you know how to read?

Nobody is "claiming" that before the fact, but people are naturally beginning to hope for growth.

Except for Democrats, of course, who aspire to stagnation.
So now you finally admitted that people were pulling numbers out of their collective asses.

Nicely done Johnnie?

:lol:
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By RealJustme
#101530
So now you finally admitted that people were pulling numbers out of their collective asses.
Why do libtards always rely more on predictions they like, than actual outcomes? Elk you still think Hillary won because the media told she would and that's what you and clown wanted to hear. You pretending the predictions you like have occurred, they haven't and the numbers already demonstrate they're wrong. Trump will exceed 4% but you'll point to the predictions as proof he didn't. :lol:
By elklindo69
#101537
RealJustme wrote:
So now you finally admitted that people were pulling numbers out of their collective asses.
Why do libtards always rely more on predictions they like, than actual outcomes? Elk you still think Hillary won because the media told she would and that's what you and clown wanted to hear. You pretending the predictions you like have occurred, they haven't and the numbers already demonstrate they're wrong. Trump will exceed 4% but you'll point to the predictions as proof he didn't. :lol:
So you are claiming Trump will exceed 4%...because he says so.

Now you Johnnie and Trump are on the same page...pulling numbers out of your collective asses!

:lol:
By elklindo69
#101540
Trump gets nailed again....

BEIJING/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China hit back quickly on Wednesday against the Trump administration's plans to slap tariffs on $50 billion in Chinese goods, retaliating with a list of similar duties on key U.S. imports including soybeans, planes, cars, beef and chemicals.

The speed with which the trade struggle between Washington and Beijing is ratcheting up – China took less than 11 hours to respond with its own measures – led to a sharp selloff in global stock markets and commodities. [MKTS/GLOB]

U.S. President Donald Trump denied that the tit-for-tat moves amounted to a trade war between the world's two economic superpowers.

"We are not in a trade war with China, that war was lost many years ago by the foolish, or incompetent, people who represented the U.S.," Trump wrote in a post on Twitter early on Wednesday.

Investors were wondering, nonetheless, how far one of the worst trade disputes in many years could escalate.

"The assumption was China would not respond too aggressively and avoid escalating tensions. China's response is a surprise for some people," said Julian Evans-Pritchard, Senior China Economist at Capital Economics, noting that neither side had yet called for enforcement of the tariffs.

U.S.-made goods that appear to face added tariffs in China based, on an analysis of Beijing's list, include Tesla electric cars, Ford's Lincoln auto models, Gulfstream jets made by General Dynamics and Brown-Forman Corp's Jack Daniel's whiskey.

Unlike Washington's list, which was filled with many obscure industrial items, China's list strikes at signature U.S. exports, including soybeans, frozen beef, cotton and other key agricultural commodities produced in states from Iowa to Texas that voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

While Washington targeted products that benefit from Chinese industrial policy, including its "Made in China 2025" initiative to replace advanced technology imports with domestic products in strategic industries such as advanced IT and robotics, Beijing's appears aimed at inflicting political damage.

Tobacco and whiskey, for example, are both on Beijing's list and are produced in states including Kentucky, home of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

"It's more of a game of brinkmanship, making it clear what the cost would be, in the hopes that both sides can come to agreement and none of these tariffs will come into force," said Evans-Pritchard.

Beijing's list of 25 percent additional tariffs on U.S. goods covers 106 items with a trade value matching the $50 billion targeted on Washington's list, China's commerce and finance ministries said.

The effective date depends on when the U.S. action takes effect.

"This is a real game changer and moves the trade dispute away from symbolism to measures which would really hurt U.S agricultural exports," said Commerzbank commodities analyst Carsten Fritsch.

China's tariff list covers aircraft that would likely include older models such as Boeing Co's workhorse 737 narrowbody jet, but not newer models like the 737 MAX or its larger planes.

A Beijing-based spokesman for Boeing, the largest single U.S. exporter to China, declined to comment.

Beijing's announcement triggered heavy selling in global financial markets, with U.S. stock futures sliding 1.5 percent and U.S. soybean futures plunging nearly 5 percent and on track for their biggest fall since July 2016. The dollar briefly extended early losses, while China's yuan skidded in offshore trade.
By johnforbes
#101543
Elkin, you've got to face facts at some point in your young life.

FOMC can't predict the future any more than you can or I can.

As I said above, my belief is that there is a decent chance at 4 percent growth toward the very end of this year.

Of course I could be wrong, and of course the FOMC could be correct, and of course the FOMC could be wrong.
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By RealJustme
#101558
Elk and clown are overlooking the elephant in the room. We have a Trade Deficit of $500 Billion a year with China, for libtards that means we import $500 Billion dollars more in goods from China than they import from us. THEY lose in any tariff war and our businesses will grow because there will be a need for Americans to produce items we're no longer buying from China.

If ALL trade with China was stopped today, they would lose $500 Billion a year, we would have that $500 Billion to produce those items ourselves. Can you spell JOBS?
By snakeoil
#101588
“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Sir Winston Churchill
In 1930 Agriculture was particularly hard hit bu the Depression. Sen. Smoot and Rep. Hawley decided to fix that by raising tariffs on over 20,000 goods imported to the US. Many nations retaliated with even worse tariffs against the US. It had the net effect of extending and widening the Depression and it was decades before all of the tariffs were repealed. Smoot and Hawley were defeated in the elections of 1932.
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By RealJustme
#101592
Snake pause and take a look at the elephant in the room then take a deep breath and engage your brain.

In In 1930 the United States exported FAR more than we imported so trade tariff war BAD. Today we import far more than we import, trade war GOOD. How can China win a trade war when they export $500 Billion A YEAR more to us than we export to them?
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By RealJustme
#101615
Real facts are a bitch.
The capital world plunged into an unprecedented economic crisis in 1929-1934, which is known as the “Great Depression of the 1930s”. During the crisis, the total volume of U.S. export reduced by 70%, and the export of capital dropped almost to zero
Fact 2, we import $500 Billion a year more from China than we export to them. Only a libtard would think we have more to lose than China in a tariff war. :lol: :lol: :lol:
By elklindo69
#101624
RealJustme wrote:Real facts are a bitch.
The capital world plunged into an unprecedented economic crisis in 1929-1934, which is known as the “Great Depression of the 1930s”. During the crisis, the total volume of U.S. export reduced by 70%, and the export of capital dropped almost to zero
Fact 2, we import $500 Billion a year more from China than we export to them. Only a libtard would think we have more to lose than China in a tariff war. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Our annual trade deficit now exceeds 4% of GDP. Equally ominous, the rest of the world owns a staggering $2.5 trillion more of the U.S. than we own of other countries. Some of this $2.5 trillion is invested in claim checks--U.S. bonds, both governmental and private--and some in such assets as property and equity securities.

In effect, our country has been behaving like an extraordinarily rich family that possesses an immense farm. In order to consume 4% more than we produce--that's the trade deficit--we have, day by day, been both selling pieces of the farm and increasing the mortgage on what we still own.

To put the $2.5 trillion of net foreign ownership in perspective, contrast it with the $12 trillion value of publicly owned U.S. stocks or the equal amount of U.S. residential real estate or what I would estimate as a grand total of $50 trillion in national wealth. Those comparisons show that what's already been transferred abroad is meaningful--in the area, for example, of 5% of our national wealth.

More important, however, is that foreign ownership of our assets will grow at about $500 billion per year at the present trade-deficit level, which means that the deficit will be adding about one percentage point annually to foreigners' net ownership of our national wealth. As that ownership grows, so will the annual net investment income flowing out of this country. That will leave us paying ever-increasing dividends and interest to the world rather than being a net receiver of them, as in the past. We have entered the world of negative compounding--goodbye pleasure, hello pain.

We were taught in Economics 101 that countries could not for long sustain large, ever-growing trade deficits. At a point, so it was claimed, the spree of the consumption-happy nation would be braked by currency-rate adjustments and by the unwillingness of creditor countries to accept an endless flow of IOUs from the big spenders. And that's the way it has indeed worked for the rest of the world, as we can see by the abrupt shutoffs of credit that many profligate nations have suffered in recent decades.
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By RealJustme
#101657
Wait until red state farmers and walmart customers get nailed in the wallet.
Dude, our farmers, both red and blue States would love it if we stopped importing from other countries, not sure what your hard on is with Walmart customers is, but they'll find higher wages and more jobs if we stop buying from slave labor countries. Win, win for America!!!
By Clownkicker
#101661
Once again RealTool parades his ignorance of apple, cherry, soybean and pork farmers who are exporters of commodities we don't import. (Apples and cherries only come in out of season and are not competitors for American farmers, so only consumers would lose out on that one.)

If we stopped all imports, many farmers would still be out of business and they would lose their farms, dummy.
They wouldn't "love it" at all.
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By namngulfvet
#101662
Dude, our farmers, both red and blue States would love it if we stopped importing from other countries, not sure what your hard on is with Walmart customers is, but they'll find higher wages and more jobs if we stop buying from slave labor countries. Win, win for America!!!
We had this conversation with the Asshole licker a few years back.. Hes a union puke and unions dont shop at Wally World.. But we all know he puts on his fake blond wing and shades and shops there anyway
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