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Just because it drives AssClown Loser Lucky and the libtards batshit.

13th Amendment:
Abolished Slavery.
100% Republican support.
23% Democrat support.

14th Amendment:
Gave citizenship to freed slaves.
94% Republican support.
0% Democrat support.

15th Amendment:
Right to vote for all men.
100% Republican support
0% Democrat support.

Founding of the KKK:
100% by the leadership of the poor losers that took second place in the Civil War led by Nathan Bedford Forrest, the Klan's firsts Grand Wizard. Who, in a demonstration of his southern grace, good judgement and anger management skills, once shot and killed a subordinate officer when he mistakenly thought the junior officer was reaching for his pistol.

Civil Rights Act of 1965:
Supported and passed by Republican votes
Bitterly opposed by leading Democrats including Robert K.K.K. Byrd, Al Gore, Sr., J. William Fulbright et al.
First proposed by JFK
Signed into law by LBJ who knew how to secure black votes and fuck those knee slapping inbred southern racist crackers.

Obamacare:
0% Republican support
86% Democrat support.

Why are you still a Democrat?

That question will more than likely be inscribed someday in Clown's headstone. :lol: :lol:

Watch the clown jump in to defend Obamacare.

I saw YOU defending Obamacare just a few minutes ago.

Refresh my memory dog.

You're not dumb. You know of what I speak.

Did you have a gay time over the holidays, Insipid?

"Gay" doesn't mean what it meant 50 years ago.


You have no idea what I mean, do you? :lol:

You're not dumb. You know of what I speak.

I don't understand your logic, please try and explain it for all of us.

A quick history lesson to let Pinky Boy Loser Insipid understand that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.... again.
The fatal flaw in Insipid's assertions is that he doesn't understand that Republicans today are not the Republicans who did the things he values.
What he values are traits actually found in the Democrat Party today. The Republicans have abandoned them all.
Ironic, isn't it, that he insists he's Republican but actually values Democrat values. :lol:
Why are people still Democrat, Insipid? Because they now support all the good attributes you say you support of what Republicans used to be.
(I know reading is not your strong suit, but try, if only so you stop making a fool of yourself regularly.)

Question:
"Is it true that Democrats used to be the conservative party and Republicans used to be the progressive party?
Something I learned in history class is that the Republicans tended to be against slavery, while the Democrats were for it. It was a Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, who was the politician who made the greatest impact against slavery. Yet, now things have changed. Republican politicians have routinely been accused of racism, and ethnic minorities are more likely to be supportive of the Democrats."

Answer:
"The republicans were a new party in Lincoln's day. They were a conglomeration of various northern former Whig constituencies and people that wanted to develop the west that coalesced due to issues surrounding slavery. Generally speaking, they retained a lot of the older Whig economic views that the government should be involved in the economy. It should promote policies that promote growth, they thought. That meant financing infrastructure, education, protecting native industries, policies that promoted commerce and rapid job growth. They did believe in more federal involvement in all these things, and it cost money. They were the forward looking, innovative party, and also vaguely speaking they were the "big government" party and had policies that promoted big banks, big industry, big business.

The democrats were the more tradition-minded party. They were also the party focused on keeping taxes low and when it came to promoting commerce, etc... wanted to leave it to the states. Generally speaking, they were the "states' rights" party.

The shift started after the Civil War and continued for over 135 years. After the civil war, the republicans started to split into factions generally divided between how deep "in bed" you got with big business, so they developed a conservative business wing often at odds with with the more progressive wing. The democrats pretty much stayed the states rights party and were marginalized at the national level for several decades.

Key points in the shift to the structure we know today:

1896: William Jennings Bryan incorporates the Populist Party vote, giving the democrats a sizable left wing on economics that it didn't have before.

1912: Theodore Roosevelt breaks from the republicans and runs as the candidate of the Progressive Party - this makes the republican progressive wing - once a third to a half of the republican coalition, much less committed to the party going forward and they never really reconcile. Republican leadership comes more and more from its conservative wing after that.

1932-45: Franklin Roosevelt essentially adopts most of the old Progressive platform and pretty much incorporates that whole vote into his Democratic coalition. This puts the party on a collision course when it comes to social policy.

1964: Lyndon Johnson essentially divorces the longest marriage the democratic party had: the one with southern whites. By making Civil Rights part of the Democratic platform, the republicans lose basically all of what's left of their black constituencies - which had been a significant part of their remaining progressive vote in northern urban areas. The democrats start to hemorrhage southern whites rapidly - you see George Wallace run for president in 1968.

2000: The process is 98% complete. By this time liberals are in the democrats and conservatives in the republicans for the most part.

There are more complexities within and after that but those are the major turning points. The current situation we have was solidified during the Lewinsky scandal of 1998 and the ensuing 2000 election. So you can see this was a very, very long process. Circa the late 1990s you saw the last generation that had republican liberals and democratic conservatives. They are all purged now, with only a few outliers still in the democratic party like Senator Manchin in WV. The republicans have no more liberals; they were all purged in 2006 and 2008."

As predicted.

Do I own this punk bitch or what?

Obamacare was a pack of lies.

Develop in C-Span, lie.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lies.

Be deficit-neutral, a huge lie.

Save the average family money, a total lie.

Deals at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes on Christmas Eve, it was a totally dishonest mess.

Clownkicker is exactly right about the changes within the parties. I know quite a few people who ARE true conservatives who will vote democrat every single time.......and others who are super liberal, but think they are republicans. It's really pretty funny listening to them trying to justify their voting allegiance. Sad...but funny.

Realjustme.....I brought it to your attention immediately after the post that you made on a different thread. I don't remember which thread right now, but if you do a search of our posts, you'll see it.

"As predicted."-StupidFuck

You predicted nothing, you moron.
Go look at your first post. You simply posted some out-of-context factoids without commenting on them, as is typical of johnforbes and RealTool.

Your post doesn't even predict that I would rub your nose in your unlimited ignorance, which would always be your safest prediction. :lol:

Do I own this punk bitch Insipid or what?

Obamacare was a pack of lies.

Develop in C-Span, lie.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lies.

Be deficit-neutral, a huge lie.

Save the average family money, a total lie.

Deals at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes on Christmas Eve, it was a totally dishonest mess.

Can you be specific on HOW it was a lie(s)? I'm having trouble seeing that.

Obamacare was a pack of lies.

Develop in C-Span, lie.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lies.

Be deficit-neutral, a huge lie.

Save the average family money, a total lie.

Deals at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes on Christmas Eve, it was a totally dishonest mess.

^^^^^^You can almost see the smoke coming out his ears as he valiantly struggles with a new thought, but fails. :lol:

LOL I doubt that there is enough spark there to produce any smoke.

ACA has now signed up 17 million.

And the GOP is trying to repeal a program which will cause 17 million to lose their health insurance?

No wonder why the GOP is running on immigration and security.............

ACA has now signed up 17 million.

Only 17 million? Obama claimed there were over 60 million with no insurance and that ACA would provide them all insurance and that it would lower the costs of health insurance while providing better healthcare. All have turned out to be lies, ACA resulted in millions losing the healthcare plans that were cheaper and they liked better. There are now more uninsured American than ever before.

If Obama was a Republican......I would have voted Democrat.

Man talk about silly word games. Sorry but Clown is right. There was a complete party flip flop.

This was high school history.

Wow. I'm impressed, Brandon. Good job.

Of course you also made an enemy of Insipid and undoubtedly got at least one demerit from the Conservative Captain, JustFreedManMe, for stating the obvious factual truth.




Here Insipid, Insipid, Insipid. Here, boy! lol

Several million of Grog's former brain cells are now also history. On a positive note, however, his WAIS-R remains in double digits.

Obamacare was a pack of lies.

Develop in C-Span, lie.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lies.

Be deficit-neutral, a huge lie.

Save the average family money, a total lie.

Deals at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes on Christmas Eve, it was a totally dishonest mess.

And Forbes has sashayed in with his usual derivative dandying in a hollow effort to distract from the vacuity of conservatism that Insipid has once ably again demonstrated.

Now, Forbes, as is his wont and ability, will C&P himself because that's all he can do. lol

Shhhhh. Let's watch as he preens and prances in yet another pirouette of vapid nothingness.

Grog SOOOO has a way with words!

Grog SOOOO has a way with words!

Yes Grog is often classical but at times perspicuous while John is always lambent.

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"lambent"? :lol:

Well, he's not taking the ESL classes but at least he's studying to be as gay as johnforbes.

Way to aspire to improve yourself from "butch closet case" Tool.

Way to aspire to improve yourself from "butch closet case" Tool.

I appreciate your heartfelt approbation, it means a lot to me, dude.

Another quick history lesson:

Why Rome Fell

1. At the end, 51% of the inhabitants of Rome were non-Romans. (Slaves, immigrants, foreign traders living in Rome permanently.) These foreigners had little allegiance to Rome.

2. Rome's constant wars had weakened Rome financially and the Roman citizens were reluctant to fight those wars themselves, so the lower classes joined the army or Rome began to hire others to fight.

3. Rome tried to extend their influence too far and their rule became unsustainable.

4. A succession of incompetent rulers that squandered the tax money on themselves and pet projects emptied the coffers but the citizens rejected any new taxes.

5. The upper class of Romans contributed little in the way of taxes or services to the Republic.

6. The morals of Rome declined.

Sound familiar?

Yep sounds like the Obama administration to a tee.

You lil fellers better get busy with the secession of Texas so you can form your own nation.

It's the only way you people are ever going to be safe again.

Why did I know that Justme was going to chime in with his insane rant against Obama?

Because that's what he does. lol

Now he's waiting for Clownkicker to chime in with a rant.

It's pretty predictable. :lol:

Obamacare is a dishonest mess -- much like Grog.

Several million of Grog's former brain cells are now also history. On a positive note, however, his WAIS-R remains in double digits.

Obamacare was a pack of lies.

Develop in C-Span, lie.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lies.

Be deficit-neutral, a huge lie.

Save the average family money, a total lie.

Deals at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes on Christmas Eve, it was a totally dishonest mess.

Looks like Forbes is warming up his self-C&Ping stuff.

Could be a Forbes spam night around the conservative campfire.

No idea what this "C+P" of which Grog speaks might be.

But we all know Grog is no Toynbee.

Of course you don't. It's so automatic with you, you don't think about it. You just do it. Just like any number of other unseemly if not illegal behaviors you engage in that result in your frequent trips to the joint where you work on joints.

Obamacare is a dishonest mess -- much like Grog.

Several million of Grog's former brain cells are now also history. On a positive note, however, his WAIS-R remains in double digits.

Obamacare was a pack of lies.

Develop in C-Span, lie.

Keep your doc, keep your plan, lies.

Be deficit-neutral, a huge lie.

Save the average family money, a total lie.

Deals at midnight, votes in a blizzard, votes on Christmas Eve, it was a totally dishonest mess.

See? :lol:

Grog is no Toynbee.

Closer to a Spengler.

Of course, Grog's brainpower (oxymoronic in his case, or just moronic) is 1 percent of Spengler's.