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Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:33 pm
by RealJustme
Remarks on the Nuclear Agreement With North Korea

October 18, 1994

Good afternoon. I am pleased that the United States and North Korea yesterday reached agreement on the text of a framework document on North Korea's nuclear program. This agreement will help to achieve a longstanding and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula.

This agreement is good for the United States, good for our allies, and good for the safety of the entire world. It reduces the danger of the threat of nuclear spreading in the region. It's a crucial step toward drawing North Korea into the global community.

I want to begin by thanking Secretary Christopher and our chief negotiator, Ambassador at Large Bob Gallucci, for seeing these negotiations through. I asked Bob if he'd had any sleep, since he's going to answer all your technical questions about this agreement, and he said that he had had some sleep. So be somewhat gentle with him. After meeting with my chief national security advisers, and at their unanimous recommendation, I am instructing Ambassador Gallucci to return to Geneva on Friday for the purpose of signing an agreement.

The United States has been concerned about the possibility that North Korea was developing nuclear weapons since the 1980's. Three administrations have tried to bring this nuclear program under international control. There is nothing more important to our security and to the world's stability than preventing the spread of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. And the United States has an unshakeable commitment to protect our ally and our fellow democracy South Korea. Thirty-eight thousand American troops stationed on the Peninsula are the guarantors of that commitment.

Today, after 16 months of intense and difficult negotiations with North Korea, we have completed an agreement that will make the United States, the Korean Peninsula, and the world safer. Under the agreement, North Korea has agreed to freeze its existing nuclear program and to accept international inspection of all existing facilities.

This agreement represents the first step on the road to a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula. It does not rely on trust. Compliance will be certified by the International Atomic Energy Agency. The United States and North Korea have also agreed to ease trade restrictions and to move toward establishing liaison offices in each other's capitals. These offices will ease North Korea's isolation.

From the start of the negotiations, we have consulted closely with South Korea, with Japan, and with other interested parties. We will continue to work closely with our allies and with the Congress as our relationship with North Korea develops.

Throughout this administration, the fight against the spread of nuclear weapons has been among our most important international priorities, and we've made great progress toward removing nuclear weapons from Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and from Belarus. Nuclear weapons in Russia are no longer targeted on our citizens. Today all Americans should know that as a result of this achievement on Korea, our Nation will be safer and the future of our people more secure.

Now I'd like to ask Ambassador Gallucci to come up and make a statement and answer your questions.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:49 am
by johnforbes
This Iran "deal" makes it certain that Iran will sponsor more terrorism.

And get nukes.

With Americans paying for it.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:54 am
by Intrepid
At this point the question comes down to: Is Obozo really this naive and stupid, or is there an agenda at work here?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:45 am
by johnforbes
Some have said Kerry thought he could get a Nobel Peace Prize and use it to seek the presidency.

But long ago it should have been obvious that the U.S. got NOTHING from the Iran deal and Iran got EVERYTHING it wanted.

So the U.S. gave 150 billion to the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and will help it along the path to nuclear weapons.

This is madness.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:53 am
by RealJustme
1994- President Clinton "This agreement represents the first step on the road to a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula. It does not rely on trust. Compliance will be certified by the International Atomic Energy Agency"
Korea rapidly developed nuclear weapons after signing the agreement...and they didn't even receive $150 Billion dollars to help them do it as Iran will.
2015- President Obama "This agreement represents the first step on the road to a nuclear-free Iran. It does not rely on trust. Compliance will be certified by the International Atomic Energy Agency"

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:02 am
by Clownkicker
"Korea rapidly developed nuclear weapons after signing the agreement..."-RealTool

Geezus, Tool, don't you even bother to think before you pull this stupid shit out of your ass?
It took N.Korea 11 years to get the nukes after the agreement was signed, and they only did it after the agreement was no longer in force. 11 years is not "rapidly".
Iran could have nukes in 3 months without an agreement.
There's nothing anyone can really do about it short of starting a regional war. (That's the only conservative default plan.)
If this Iran deal delays their nuke development by 10 years, it's worth it.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:21 am
by sillydaddy
There's an agenda here for sure....if there was ever any doubt it was made perfectly clear when Obama

told us that he was going to reopen relations with Cuba....because 50 years of sanctions were not working ???

Of course...they are working...Havana is totally dark most nights and imports into Cuba are almost non-existent!

When Kerry went to Havana to open the US embassy and made his speech about Cuba being better off as a

democracy...The Cuban Foreign Minister told him to worry about his own country....

and then demanded we remove all sanctions and give back Gitmo.

Obama made no real demands.....not even for the return of millions of dollars worth of American properties.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:53 am
by RealJustme
Iran could have nukes in 3 months without an agreement
Now they'll have $150 Billion to buy delivery systems for those nukes and set up missile defense batteries, they've already ordered 150 new fighter jets on the IOU backed up by Obama. Do you libtards really think Iran's own inspectors are going to rat on Iran?

Obama did for Iran exactly what Clinton did for North Korea, guarantee they'll have nukes by signing a worthless piece of paper that gives them everything and we receive nothing in return but a promise to kill us.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:09 pm
by Clownkicker
"Now they'll have $150 Billion to buy delivery systems for those nukes and set up missile defense batteries, they've already ordered 150 new fighter jets on the IOU backed up by Obama."-RealTool

RealTool would rather keep Iran vulnerable to an ISIL takeover.
He is dismayed because his wish is to attack Iran and start another war in the region.

Like I said, the conservative default plan.
Of course, another war in the region is not in U.S. interests.
The Tool doesn't get that and doesn't care anyway.
"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out later" Right Tool?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:42 pm
by RealJustme
RealTool would rather keep Iran vulnerable to an ISIL takeover.
Iran doesn't need nukes or anti missile batteries to defend themselves from ISIL, plus Iran is more a threat to the United States than ISIL is, because Iran is a country who has promised to wipe us off of the map and soon they will have the weapons to strike our soil.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:05 pm
by Clownkicker
Tool, you're making up stupid shit again.

You don't know they're going to spend the money on anything that can threaten us.
And this deal may delay their acquisition of nukes for a decade.
And the fighter jets will allow them to defend themselves against ISIL, which we want them to do. If they fight ISIL for us, we don't have to.

Also, Iran, whether you like it or not, is a stable government. ISIL doesn't recognize ANY government.
Who is going to be more difficult to deal with?
You saw what happens when your guy took out the stable government in Iraq and left a power vacuum. You really want to make that idiotic mistake again?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:10 pm
by johnforbes
As usual, Obama was dishonest.

One of the side deals was that Iran inspect itself.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:40 pm
by RealJustme
You don't know they're going to spend the money on anything that can threaten us.
And this deal may delay their acquisition of nukes for a decade.
Clown you usually use your Elk log on when you say something so stupid. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:32 am
by Intrepid
Anyone who believes that Iran even paused in their development of a nuclear weapon long enough for a drink of water or to take a breath of air is truly a Useful Idiot and an Obozo Kool-Ade guzzler of the first order.

But we already knew that.

If this idiotic Iran deal goes through look for Israel (with enthusiastic Saudi support) to pull the trigger shortly after.

Then Obozo will get up off his knees, wipe the Ayatollah jizz off his chin, tell Kerry he can stop tickling the Ayatolla's balls, and declare war on Israel.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:36 am
by RealJustme
If this idiotic Iran deal goes through look for Israel (with enthusiastic Saudi support) to pull the trigger shortly after.
Israel had better attack them before Obama give them the $150 Billion, they've already ordered hundreds of fighter jets, rockets and missile defense weapons, Russia and China are just waiting on payment before delivery.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:36 pm
by elklindo69
RealJustme wrote:
If this idiotic Iran deal goes through look for Israel (with enthusiastic Saudi support) to pull the trigger shortly after.
Israel had better attack them before Obama give them the $150 Billion,
Bullshit

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... irans-fro/

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:12 am
by johnforbes
Elkin, surely you don't favor this nutty Iran deal?

How can any American citizen favor a deal in which America gets nothing, but the globe's largest state sponsor of terrorism gets everything it wants?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:00 am
by RealJustme
Clown, your own article agrees Iran will be receiving an injection of at least $150 Billion. The articles argument that $150 Billion isn't a lot of money is insane. The agreement also allows them to start exporting oil and import weapons. So Clown tell us what we get from the deal except a promised from Iran that they will continue their nuke deal and kill us?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:06 pm
by Clownkicker
Tool, elklindo's article says it's $100 billion, you idiot.

"The U.S. Treasury Department estimates the value of Iran’s foreign currency reserves at $100 billion. An article in Foreign Policy magazine cited $120 billion. We don’t know where Dermer got $150 billion.
The Institute of International Finance, a trade association representing banks, insurance companies and other financial entities worldwide, ran its own numbers and settled on $100 billion.

I understand that you can't read English, but numbers are pretty universal.
"100" means "one hundred".

That you think they can or will spend it all instead of holding most of it for foreign exchange needs is stupid.
That is, it's par for the course with you.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:26 pm
by RealJustme
Damn Clown, you're getting to easy, I knew my bait would draw you out on your Elk post, I just didn't expect that fast. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:19 pm
by elklindo69
With a 150 billion, you can buy alot of Fluor stock!!!

Or double down on gold!

:lol:

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:33 pm
by elklindo69
johnforbes wrote:Elkin, surely you don't favor this nutty Iran deal?

How can any American citizen favor a deal in which America gets nothing, but the globe's largest state sponsor of terrorism gets everything it wants?
Bullshit!!! That's a straw man argument.

So what was America supposed to get from the Iranians from the negotiations? Trump claims it's a shitty deal...fair enough, but never explains why? DUH!

The neocons claimed the same when Raygun signed arms control agreement with the Soviets. Then they praised conservatism for the defeat of the soviets, by advocating policies they themselves opposed...

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:46 pm
by johnforbes
Not a straw man at all.

The Iran deal is perhaps the dumbest moment thus far in the entire history of American foreign policy.

The U.S. gets absolutely nothing, and Iran gets everything it wants -- 150 billion of our money so they can fund terrorism.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:50 pm
by elklindo69
johnforbes wrote: The Iran deal is perhaps the dumbest moment thus far in the entire history of American foreign policy.
Why?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:30 pm
by johnforbes
For these reasons:

The U.S. gets absolutely nothing, and Iran gets everything it wants -- 150 billion of our money so they can fund terrorism.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:06 pm
by Clownkicker
Of course, the U.S. doesn't get "absolutely nothing" and Iran doesn't get "everything it wants".

But who can stop johnforbes from regurgitating such nonsense?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:13 pm
by johnforbes
I have spoken to John's Chief of Staff and attempted to convey your concerns.

For now, let it suffice to say:

The Iran deal is insanely bad.

The U.S. gives Iran 150 billion (which will surely be used to fund terrorism against the West), and America gets nothing from the deal.

This is one of the very dumbest "deals" in policy history.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:05 pm
by elklindo69
Forbestardo claims America gets nothing, so what was America supposed to get?

Trump knows, he'll be having a press conference with a list of demands that weren't met, and will kick out any reporter who dares to question any of his foreign policy proposals, aka Hoax news talking points...

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:20 am
by johnforbes
Elkin, come on.

You and I should watch a game of "Jeopardy!" some evening and that experience would show you who is who and what is what.

Elkin is a pleasant enough young leftist, but nobody ever thought of him as bright.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:22 am
by Clownkicker
You and your useless trivia again, johnny.

Believe it or not, knowing a bunch of useless trivia does not make you the better man.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:35 pm
by johnforbes
Trivia is trivia.

If it were crucial, it would be called something else.

I merely responded to Elkin's suggestion that his brainpower was comparable to others here.

Elkin seems like a nice enough young chap, but nobody he could score much above room temperature on an IQ test.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:01 pm
by elklindo69
Look at Johnnie Boy pull off the Palin shuck and jive routine...

:lol:

So what would have been the best deal for America? Trump said it was a bad deal, but doesn't explain what would constitute a good deal?

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:55 pm
by sillydaddy
Elk...Trump already said that he would not rip up the deal....but would police it so close Iran wouldn't have a chance.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -it-right/

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:55 pm
by johnforbes
To state the obvious, the best U.S. deal with Iran would be nothing.

Just continue the sanctions.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:14 pm
by Clownkicker
Here we see johnforbes supports Iran acquiring nukes in three months instead of having inspections by the IAEA to delay that event.

One can only conclude he supports another regional war to kill more Americans there.

What a perverse position for an American to take.

Re: Change the names and insert Iran in place of North Korea

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:12 pm
by RealJustme
Here we see johnforbes supports Iran acquiring nukes in three months instead of having inspections by the IAEA to delay that event
Giving Iran $150 Billion, allowing technology imports and weapon systems doesn't delay, it expedites Iran not only getting nukes but delivering them. Iran was drowning in their ambitions to exterminate us, Obama rescued them. The big question is why?