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Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:03 pm
by RealJustme
[quote]WASHINGTON — No one knows if the Obama administration will manage in the next five weeks to strike what many in the White House consider the most important foreign policy deal of his presidency: an accord with Iran that would forestall its ability to make a nuclear weapon. But the White House has made one significant decision: If agreement is reached, President Obama will do everything in his power to avoid letting Congress vote on it.

Even while negotiators argue over the number of centrifuges Iran would be allowed to spin and where inspectors could roam, the Iranians have signaled that they would accept, at least temporarily, a “suspension” of the stringent sanctions that have drastically cut their oil revenues and terminated their banking relationships with the West, according to American and Iranian officials. The Treasury Department, in a detailed study it declined to make public, has concluded Mr. Obama has the authority to suspend the vast majority of those sanctions without seeking a vote by Congress, officials say.

But Mr. Obama cannot permanently terminate those sanctions. Only Congress can take that step. And even if Democrats held on to the Senate next month, Mr. Obama’s advisers have concluded they would probably lose such a vote.

“We wouldn’t seek congressional legislation in any comprehensive agreement for years,” one senior official said.

White House officials say Congress should not be surprised by this plan. They point to testimony earlier this year when top negotiators argued that the best way to assure that Iran complies with its obligations is a step-by-step suspension of sanctions — with the implicit understanding that the president could turn them back on as fast as he turned them off.

“We have been clear that initially there would be suspension of any of the U.S. and international sanctions regime, and that the lifting of sanctions will only come when the I.A.E.A. verifies that Iran has met serious and substantive benchmarks,” Bernadette Meehan, the spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said Friday, referring to the International Atomic Energy Agency. “We must be confident that Iran’s compliance is real and sustainable over a period of time.”



But many members of Congress see the plan as an effort by the administration to freeze them out, a view shared by some Israeli officials who see a congressional vote as the best way to constrain the kind of deal that Mr. Obama might strike.

Ms. Meehan says there “is a role for Congress in our Iran policy,” but members of Congress want a role larger than consultation and advice. An agreement between Iran and the countries it is negotiating with — the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China — would not be a formal treaty, and thus would not require a two-thirds vote of the Senate.

The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Robert Menendez, the New Jersey Democrat, said over the weekend that, “If a potential deal does not substantially and effectively dismantle Iran’s illicit nuclear weapons program, I expect Congress will respond. An agreement cannot allow Iran to be a threshold nuclear state.” He has sponsored legislation to tighten sanctions if no agreement is reached by Nov. 24.

A leading Republican critic of the negotiations, Senator Mark S. Kirk of Illinois, added, “Congress will not permit the president to unilaterally unravel Iran sanctions that passed the Senate in a 99 to 0 vote,” a reference to the vote in 2010 that imposed what have become the toughest set of sanctions.

Such declarations have the Obama administration concerned. And they are a reminder that for a deal to be struck with Iran, Mr. Obama must navigate not one negotiation, but three.

The first is between Mr. Obama’s negotiators and the team led by Mohammad Javad Zarif, the savvy Iranian foreign minister. The second is between Mr. Zarif and forces in Tehran that see no advantage in striking a deal, led by many in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and many of the mullahs. The critical player in that effort is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei./quote]

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:17 pm
by johnforbes
Doesn't everybody believe Obama will allow Iran to become openly nuclear?

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:56 pm
by RealJustme
Doesn't everybody believe Obama will allow Iran to become openly nuclear?
I don't think he's allowing Iran to become openly nuclear, I know he's helping them become a nuclear power. Everything Obama has done has help Iran and now he wants to reverse a Law passed by Congress to unlawfully lift sanctions in exchange for a "promise" Iran will be nice, Obama assures us Iran will keep their promise.

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:56 am
by Malcolm
It is not merely hyperbole when it is said the US created terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda or the so-called “Islamic State.” It is documented fact. The current conflict in the Middle East may appear to be a chaotic conflagration beyond the control of the United States and its many eager allies, but in reality it is the intentional, engineered creation of regional fronts in a war against Iran and its powerful arc of influence.....

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:44 am
by RealJustme
It is not merely hyperbole when it is said the US created terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda or the so-called “Islamic State.” It is documented fact.
An ISIS-associated YouTube account posted a new video online Tuesday entitled, “Weapons and munitions dropped by American planes and landed in the areas controlled by the Islamic State in Kobani.” The video was also posted on the Twitter account of “a3maq news,” which acts as an unofficial media arm of ISIS. The outfit has previously posted videos of ISIS fighters firing American made Howitzer cannons and seizing marijuana fields in Syria.

ISIS had broadly advertised its acquisition of a broad range of U.S.-made weapons during its rampage across Iraq. ISIS videos have showed its fighters driving U.S. tanks, MRAPs, Humvees. There are unconfirmed reports ISIS has stolen three fighter planes from Iraqi bases it conquered.

We feel very confident that, when we air drop support as we did into Kobani… we’ve been able to hit the target in terms of reaching the people we want to reach,” Rhodes told CNN

Rhodes was responding to questions about a Monday report in The Daily Beast that U.S. humanitarian aid was flowing into ISIS controlled areas near Kobani by truck loads. Rhodes had no response to the question as to why ISIS was receiving the U.S. aid.

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:43 pm
by elklindo69
Dick Cheney was once for Iran then against Iran.

Confused fool...

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:57 pm
by RealJustme
Dick Cheney was once for Iran then against Iran.
Elk if you understood history at one point Iran was our ally then along come the PC police and helped throw out the Christian friendly leader and installed hard core Muslims. So yeah we were once for Iran now we're not.

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:23 pm
by elklindo69
RealJustme wrote:
Dick Cheney was once for Iran then against Iran.
Elk if you understood history at one point Iran was our ally then along come the PC police and helped throw out the Christian friendly leader and installed hard core Muslims. So yeah we were once for Iran now we're not.
From what I remember, when Cheney was for Iran, Iran was against the US.

Drill baby drill!!!

:roll:

Re: Obama refuses to let Congress get in Iran's way

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:13 pm
by johnforbes
Iran this afternoon in the rain.